Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[Major Discord]

I find it rather amusing to experience how fast the world can go insane.
Look back, say, 5 years. If you told anyone that countries will institute mandatory vaccinations for haphazardly developed drugs, you would sound truly insane.

It's very strange to also argue with the proponents of such government actions.
You'd think that it is extremely logical to let an individual perform their own risk-assessment and make a decision based on what they think the most urgent threat for themselves is. You'd think, in general, even if a person is a complete idiot and all his actions are dumb, they still have the right to risk their own life, and, well, have a right to die.

To me this goes so fundamentally against how humans behave that it is mind boggling to hear someone justify the ever-increasing measures. It is normal and fully reasonable for humans to select different paths, to act differently when faced with an unknown that contains risks. That is just nature. This is what can ensures that in the worst-case scenario at least part of humans (although purely based on luck) will survive. Anyone else who contradicts this are either lying or are utterly incapable of perceiving the reality.

 

[EyelessMC]

Pretty funny video someone posted on the Fedi which succinctly summarizes the Covid vaccine efficacy issue. If the OP wasn't written so seriously I'd post it there, too.

Anyone else who contradicts this are either lying or are utterly incapable of perceiving the reality.

Spoiler: Reminds me of this

We're seeing in real-time how entire populaces can be convinced--and otherwise swayed/forced by those who are convinced--of things which they would have vehemently denied they'd be convinced of only six months prior. Not to compare what's happening now to Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but the truth is that despite the cruelty and anxiety of being behind the Iron Curtain many, many people would confess to be comfortable there. People liked living under and even participating in the cruelty of those regimes. They rewrote history in their minds as actively as their ministries of truth. So many were like brainwashed cult members.
Or in the NY Gov.'s words, "apostles" who are "doing what God wants".

 

[Protistology]

Pretty funny video someone posted on the Fedi which succinctly summarizes the Covid vaccine efficacy issue. If the OP wasn't written so seriously I'd post it there, too.
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Spoiler: Reminds me of this

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We're seeing in real-time how entire populaces can be convinced--and otherwise swayed/forced by those who are convinced--of things which they would have vehemently denied they'd be convinced of only six months prior. Not to compare what's happening now to Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but the truth is that despite the cruelty and anxiety of being behind the Iron Curtain many, many people would confess to be comfortable there. People liked living under and even participating in the cruelty of those regimes. They rewrote history in their minds as actively as their ministries of truth. So many were like brainwashed cult members.
Or in the NY Gov.'s words, "apostles" who are "doing what God wants".

The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, CRIMESTOP. CRIMESTOP means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. CRIMESTOP, in short, means protective stupidity. Orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body.
-1984 by George Orwell.

 

[Justtocheck]

I actually read 1984 unlike all you fags who quote it, and I did find it a useful manual.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Joe Rogan is now doing what we all do now: https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1449956233411133441?

 

[Trombonista]

Thoughts on what's been provided thus far?

I got my Pfizer booster last week and all I got was a sore arm for a day. I highly doubt any vaccine that wears off after a few months is going to have devastating long-term effects. Even the "one and done" vaccines don't have such an issue.

 

[Mullti Port RDRAM]

I don't yet have an opinion as to whether or not the protesting about a vaccine mandate is a good or bad thing, but the sheer madness as a result is going to be disruptive in the same way the generation gap has been.

 

[Grannys Cookiez]

I got my Pfizer booster last week and all I got was a sore arm for a day. I highly doubt any vaccine that wears off after a few months is going to have devastating long-term effects. Even the "one and done" vaccines don't have such an issue.

Just like the semi-frequent, very tiny exposures people had to asbestos in J&J's talcum and baby powder products probably didn't have long-term issues arise from it. Oh, wait...

Johnson & Johnson Stops Selling Talc-Based Baby Powder In U.S. And Canada

The company says demand has declined "fueled by misinformation around the safety of the product and a constant barrage of litigation advertising." Lawsuits allege that the powder causes cancer.

www.npr.org

 

[teriyakiburns]

I got my Pfizer booster last week and all I got was a sore arm for a day. I highly doubt any vaccine that wears off after a few months is going to have devastating long-term effects. Even the "one and done" vaccines don't have such an issue.

A lot of things appear to have a short-term effect that disappears, only to be followed years later by a much nastier, long-term impact. Syphilis, for instance. Or herpes, which lurks in your nervous system after its initial infection and likes to say hello years, even decades down the line.

Point is that short-term effects and long-term effects don't necessarily correlate all that well. There has been no study on the long-term effects of the lipid carrier used in the mRNA treatments, nor into the long-term effects of inducing our own cells to express a toxic, inflammatory protein. This is why vaccines - and in fact all novel medicines - are normally tested for several years before introduction to the market.

Besides, a vaccine that wears off in just a few months is essentially useless, especially if the effect begins straight away. The only vaccine that could compare to that is tetanus, which only begins to degrade after a decade or more, but provides full immunity up to that point. Also you aren't shunned from society if you don't get a your booster every decade.

Which reminds me, I'm actually due for that...

 

[Trombonista]

The only vaccine that could compare to that is tetanus, which only begins to degrade after a decade or more, but provides full immunity up to that point.

You clearly forgot about the flu shot.

 

[Grannys Cookiez]

You clearly forgot about the flu shot.

But tetanus shots are mandated/required for certain educational institutions. Flu shots aren't.

 

[teriyakiburns]

You clearly forgot about the flu shot.

I didn't. They aren't really comparable because of the different way flu viruses work. A flu vaccine gives you a couple of years of immunity, but there are multiple flu strains in circulation and they like to recombine with one another when they're together in a host, so between that and normal mutation, you get a constant churn of new sub-strains as well. Each year there's a level of uncertainty about which major strain will become dominant and what sub-strains of it will be the most prevalent. Immunity to one sub-strain of H1N1 isn't much use if everyone around you is shedding a different one of the 140ish other sub-strains that are out there. That's why you get offered new shots every year.

And again, you don't get shunned from society if you don't take them.

 

[Trombonista]

A flu vaccine gives you a couple of years of immunity,

It's actually more like six months.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's actually more like six months.

To the specific sub-strain the vaccine targets, it's a couple of years. At six months you are still nearly fully immune to that sub-strain and partially immune to closely related sub-strains. You have near-full immunity for well over a year and memory t-cell immunity for quite some time after that.

A flu shot is annual because new sub-strains tend to appear annually, which places an effective upper limit on the efficacy of the previous shot. If the same sub-strain survives into the new season you'll still have immunity to it. You certainly don't need a shot every six months because of existing immunity failing, and definitely not every three months. On the off chance you do get infected, you can treat it with antivirals without being ridiculed for taking pig medicine or whatever.

And again, I have to keep stressing this because you apparently aren't getting it: you aren't treated like a pariah if you don't take the flu shot. The government doesn't try and force you into conformity if you don't take the flu shot. You aren't excluded from society if you don't take the flu shot.

You want to take an untested vaccine without any knowledge of the long-term effects, by all means, you go right ahead. I hope it works and keeps you safe. That would be the ideal outcome.

I wouldn't give a tinker's cuss about the possible side effects, if not for the fact that the government was attaching taking the vaccine, and submitting to apparently permanent surveillance, to "restoration" of freedoms that same government has forcibly taken from me. The moment someone starts using coercion and the threat of social exclusion to force compliance, I start questioning everything about the thing they want me to comply with. If I'm forced to do something, I want to understand the risks. Not just be told over and over again the same mantra, as if repeating "safe and effective" makes it true.

Outside of certain, very specific contexts, it should be a matter of personal choice, just like the flu vaccine.

It is my personal choice to say no in this instance.

 

[Honored guest]

So of the big three (Moderna, J@J, and Pfizer) does anyone know which one is least likely to causing adverse side effects at least in the short term? I previously thought that J&J was the least likely, but now I don't know anymore.

 

[EyelessMC]

I got my Pfizer booster last week and all I got was a sore arm for a day. I highly doubt any vaccine that wears off after a few months is going to have devastating long-term effects. Even the "one and done" vaccines don't have such an issue.

Booster? Do you mean the second dose? Or are you considered to be in the risk demographic for Covid? Either way it's good you only got a sore arm after your second dose and it's been a week with no adverse effects but please monitor yourself over the course of the next week. Although what you said makes sense (why would a vanishing/waning vaccine cause long-term problems if it's not around long term?), the problem is that the mechanisms of the vaccine regarding the Spike protein do cause severe complications in various degrees for different people.

Remember, the CDC, EMA and WHO all confirmed that Myocarditis and Pericarditis are caused by the vaccines, symptoms first arising around the second week after the second dose. Even mild perimyocarditis is heart damage that lasts for the rest of your life and can cause complications and risks especially as you get older, if not immediately. That's the chief reason many countries are halting Moderna (like the FDA initially did with the J&J over blood clots).

So bantz aside, seriously, keep an eye on yourself over the next week to week and a half. If you start having palpatations or shortness of breath, don't overlook it.

So of the big three (Moderna, J@J, and Pfizer) does anyone know which one is least likely to causing adverse side effects at least in the short term? I previously thought that J&J was the least likely, but now I don't know anymore.

According to the same people who say the vaccines are unilaterally dangerous and should be avoided, at least as they currently are, the least dangerous is supposedly Pfizer. However that's not saying a whole lot, and there's been suggestions on what people can do to potentially avoid risks from the vaccine if they feel they need to take it at all (see the Resources spoiler at the top of the OP). The countries halting Moderna also openly suggest Pfizer instead.

I don't yet have an opinion as to whether or not the protesting about a vaccine mandate is a good or bad thing,

Do you mean the protesting itself or the idea of being against the mandates? The mandates are definitely bad but depending on how the protests are conducted, and especially who's in charge of conducting them, they could either help or worsen things in my opinion.

but the sheer madness as a result is going to be disruptive in the same way the generation gap has been.

Honestly it's already disruptive consider how much the entire fiasco has afflicted the work force, employment, etc. which bleeds over into the transportation of goods, healthcare personnel shortages, etc. It goes to show there aren't brilliant minds at the wheel for all this since a smarter approach would have been to simply keep insisting on the necessity and usefulness of the vaccines rather than to mix the messaging with fascistic ultimatums and totalitarian enforcement.

 

[Justtocheck]

Flu shots don't "degrade" because your immunity is gone after some time. It stops working because the virus mutates. So you are basically getting the new shot for the new strains that appear. The virus mutates passively as it's being carried by the birds all around the globe. I don't know if the coronavirus has active vectors like birds that will help with it's mutagenic potential. But it still remains to be seen.

And honestly, and I've said this before, we don't even know the mechanism of action of the virus. Right now we are in the early eighties with the HIV. I'd be very wary about any "breakthrough" information.

 

[jje100010001]

So of the big three (Moderna, J@J, and Pfizer) does anyone know which one is least likely to causing adverse side effects at least in the short term? I previously thought that J&J was the least likely, but now I don't know anymore.

It seems like the main issue with mRNA jabs is that the lipid-soluble nanoparticles carrying the RNA seem to be predisposed towards escaping the deltoid muscles, and some postulate that this may be a risk to fit people, as they have more blood vessels in the deltoid, and the largest amount of nearby fat is located around the heart (resulting in issues like myocarditis).

Conversely, there appears to be a risk of the rhesus adenoviruses used in the J&J and AZ infecting more cells than they should be (i.e. around the blood vessels), and the resultant wounds from cells being killed and plaque causing blood clots. I have regularly heard about the likelihood of antivirals possibly being able to intercept some of that viral load, but there are no guarantees.

Regardless, the worst issues seem to be dependent on how much vaccine ends up in the bloodstream, so you ought to pray that the person administering the vaccine knows what they're doing- or at the minimum, aspirates the needle before injecting you.

According to the same people who say the vaccines are unilaterally dangerous and should be avoided, at least as they currently are, the least dangerous is supposedly Pfizer. However that's not saying a whole lot, and there's been suggestions on what people can do to potentially avoid risks from the vaccine if they feel they need to take it at all (see the Resources spoiler at the top of the OP). The countries halting Moderna also openly suggest Pfizer instead.

Ultimately it looks like the vaccine injury risk is tied to the dosage amount, Moderna's dosage is much higher than Pfizer's.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It seems like the main issue with mRNA jabs is that the lipid-soluble nanoparticles carrying the RNA seem to be predisposed towards escaping the deltoid muscles

That makes me wonder if it would be safer (relatively) to get it in the buttock rather than the arm. Less vascular.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

That makes me wonder if it would be safer (relatively) to get it in the buttock rather than the arm. Less vascular.

There is no way in hell I'm pulling my pants down in front of a bunch of strangers at a pharmacy. Already weird to get a flu shot with all those eyes on me.