Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Celebrate Nite]

I doubt that it will be a sure thing that his jury will be reasonable.

Bets on one of the jurors posting court shit on Facebook/Instagram and/or being a member of Black Lives Matter.

That alone would be enough to taint the jury pool. Hopefully they've weeded out the riff-raff.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

But will there be stream chat?

Sneed 2: Formerly Chucks Boogaloo?

 

[The Last Stand]

Republicans better push for self defense without all that NRA shit.

 

[Stoneheart]

Barnes isn't the one doing the trial work, last time I heard him talk about it. He's an advisor and doing PR.

Thats way more important in this case than the trial itself.
He sounded like he has gotten his pollster friend on the case to find the right jury.

 

[JohnDoe]

Sorry, man. I was going to wait for jury selection or trial day, but with all these filings, felt like this were moving more quickly than I thought.

You could have put more than three minutes into writing your OP, though.

 

[Ser Prize]

I voted guilty in the poll, not because I think he committed a crime, nor because I want him to be found guilty, but because it seems like the most likely outcome in Current Year Clown World. World's most tainted jury, implied violence dependent on outcome, people taking pictures in the courtroom, bought off prosecutors and DA, all of these are possibilities if not inevitable, and throw in witness intimidation as a bonus because that's also almost inevitable. Once your case starts accumulating political muster it's all fucking downhill from there at this point. Doubt it was much different throughout all of history but at least at times there would be the illusion of some form of 'justice' but at this point anyone with any faith left in the judicial system must be smoking some good fucking shit.

Same. I don't want Kyle to be guilty; it's a textbook case of self defence. But I have no doubt he'll be found guilty.

 

[BiggerChungus]

In a good world he'd be found innocent on the grounds of self-defense. In our world he'll be found guilty on all charges on the grounds of BLM reeeeeeeeee.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Guess we'll just have to see how jury selection ends up going

That's another thing that will likely help him when compared to Derek Chauvin. Jury selection will likely go over a whole lot better than the shitshow that was jury selection in fucking Minneapolis.

 

[Weppers]

I would expect a mistrial at first due to one activist lying to get on the jury and then voting guilty no matter what with the rest of the jury being typical jurors from small-town Wisconsin that are likely to agree with the self-defense claim.

 

[BluntyBitch]

Republicans better push for self defense without all that NRA shit.

When the NRA was simply a NO as a platform for any and all gun control, they had support of Dems and Reps alike in Wi.

I remember when Russ Feingold was running, I can't find it online but I kept a pamphlet where he says something like " This is Wi, and Wi Dems do not fall for the Rosie ODonnell New York way of thinking. We have a rich hunting and gun culture here and we will not succumb to the lunacy of New York or coastal Democrats."

Back when the NRA did "grades" for politicians, they graded many of them from all parties, simply based on their words and votes for fun control. Russ got A's back then. I think they still do,but regardless, the NRA became not for anybody of any political party - if you were pro 2a it didn't matter. There were plenty of Republicans that got Bad grades - because they were leaning for some gun control measures to compromise with the crazy antigun Dems.

Because we all agreed NO to gun control, and the NRA was the perfect lobby group to question the constitutionality of any gun control bill. Now , it's become "We can only vote for Rep because they're the only party protecting our rights!"

I suppose now, they've had so much corruption, Wayne lapierre really put it in the shitter with his antics. And their main donors are super rich Reps so why would they care about the plebs?

It's just sad the NRA literally lost itself becoming the Republican Party, just dressed in another suit.

I'm only bringing this up because Wi is still torn over it. Almost all the folks I know (both parties plus some lolberts) do not give nra dues anymore, or they give it to their political party instead now. I've heard "Wayne just takes my money but doesn't use it to fight gun control, only get Republicans elected or go into some Senators pocket" almost every single time.

They dug their own hole, and folks who used to support them would support them again if they just went back to basics of an anti gun control lobby group. But the NRA is in so much shambles, it's probably impossible to try to get back to the basics of the good ole days.

Hopefully, some of those jurors will be old school. Remember the good ole days of the NRA? Pepperidge farm remembers.

 

[Art Kassul]

https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1451000628369571840

Underreported detail in the Kyle Rittenhouse case: One of the men shot, Gaige Grosskreutz, is a member of the "People’s Revolution Movement", a far-left militia group. He had been previously arrested for filming police officers' private vehicles and making violent threats online.

Grosskruetz disguised himself as a medic on the night of the Kenosha riots and feigned surrender to Kyle Rittenhouse (who was on the ground after being struck by pursuing rioters) before drawing a gun on him. Fortunately Rittenhouse shot Grosskruetz right as Grosskruetz took aim.

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke/status/1451023722664583169

Funny how the “11 minutes of truth” claims Rittenhouse has “ALS training”… funny you only get that at a paramedic level and above… but he was just a lifeguard? But claimed to be an EMT?

Gaige 'Spicy Bicep' Grosskruetz is trying to troll on twitter. He's not doing so well.

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke

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Birds with a feather.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I voted guilty in the poll, not because I think he committed a crime, nor because I want him to be found guilty, but because it seems like the most likely outcome in Current Year Clown World. World's most tainted jury, implied violence dependent on outcome, people taking pictures in the courtroom, bought off prosecutors and DA, all of these are possibilities if not inevitable, and throw in witness intimidation as a bonus because that's also almost inevitable. Once your case starts accumulating political muster it's all fucking downhill from there at this point. Doubt it was much different throughout all of history but at least at times there would be the illusion of some form of 'justice' but at this point anyone with any faith left in the judicial system must be smoking some good fucking shit.

I think innocent simply because a he didn't kill any black people so we won't see a chimpout by blacks if he gets off.

It looks like he has a based judge so far, but he still needs to manage to dodge a completely rigged or tainted jury.

I think the way the DAs are politicizing the case they want it to be politicized. Also being that this is Kenosha and most places want a jury that's local. Seeing this it could be 50/50 but leaning towards Kyle getting off.

https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1451000628369571840

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke/status/1451023722664583169

Gaige 'Spicy Bicep' Grosskruetz is trying to troll on twitter. He's not doing so well.

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke

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Birds with a feather.

Hmmm serial abuser calls Kyle a bad person and a terrorist. Serial abuser has a record that proves they're kind of a shit person and have issues with violence. Imagine my shock that they would say some shit like this.

 

[Art Kassul]

I think innocent simply because a he didn't kill any black people so we won't see a chimpout by blacks if he gets off.

He's a nazi white supremacist. I am certain they will sanction riots regardless of no sacred blacks harmed.

 

[LeChampion1992]

He's a nazi white supremacist. I am certain they will sanction riots regardless of no sacred blacks harmed.

Nah I mean Portland and some lefty areas might chimp put. But what made 2020 the great chimpout is lack of jobs and the narrative blacks are oppressed by police is well why chauvin got railroaded. In this case I could unironically see him getting off if he has more black/brown people on his trial. All they have to do is roll the video over and over again the defense.

 

[Iron Hamster]

https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1451000628369571840

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke/status/1451023722664583169

Gaige 'Spicy Bicep' Grosskruetz is trying to troll on twitter. He's not doing so well.

https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke

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Birds with a feather.

Odd they would retweet that when antifa/blm/media insist there was no violence at the riots so it wouldn't apply.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Bets on one of the jurors posting court shit on Facebook/Instagram and/or being a member of Black Lives Matter.

That alone would be enough to taint the jury pool. Hopefully they've weeded out the riff-raff.

Sadly the justice system wants the riff-raff. It's on their side.

 

[Art Kassul]

From the SJW thread:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/social-justice-warriors.4463/post-10267332

https://twitter.com/FearTheFloof/status/1451174349084499973

Somehow absolutely no news outlet of any kind felt the need to report that Gaige “the one armed bandit” Grosskreutz was arrested AGAIN, this time for drunk driving AGAIN. The same press that thought Kyle being in a bar was nation news.

And as if that’s not good enough, the prosecutor in Wisconsin hid the case for 4 months with no charges until police started asking questions as to why Gaige had not been charged despite being 3x over the legal limit and a repeat offender.

Wisconsin prosecutors office not being satisfied with slow rolling DWI charges for a repeat offender seem to have done Gaige a solid by expunging his felony burglary record from 2013…

Gaige Grosskreutz Finally Charged With Second DWI - Almost 4 Months After Arrest - Kenosha County Eye

Just two months after being shot after trying to kill 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse, Gaige Grosskreutz was driving at almost 3 times the legal limit. This is according to police and Milwaukee prosecutors. We Read more…

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Gaige Grosskreutz Finally Charged With Second DWI – Almost 4 Months After Arrest​

Just two months after being shot after trying to kill 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse, Gaige Grosskreutz was driving at almost 3 times the legal limit. This is according to police and Milwaukee prosecutors. We emailed Milwaukee DA Jon Chisholm back in early January to ask why it was taking his agency so long to charge him. He had his Chief Deputy District attorney, Kent Lovern respond. Lovern told us that they were waiting on “toxicology testing before criminal charges are issued.” We asked Chief Patrick Mitchell of the West Allis Police Department what the deal was. He told us in an email that “we will have no statement to make regarding the arrest” but later told us that his officers presented the charges to the Milwaukee DA “within days of the arrest.” He then told us that they obtained the toxicology results back in October. But why did CDDA Lovern tell us they were waiting on the results? Why wait almost 4 months to charge him?

Arrest
According to the criminal complaint that was filed on 1/21/2021, Officer Lazaris of the West Allis Police Department pulled over Grosskreutz at 2:23am for failure to use his turn signal. While talking to Grosskreutz, Officer Lazaris could detect an odor of alcohol coming from the defendant. He also had red, glassy eyes and slurred speech. Just like in his past numerous contacts with police, he was not cooperative. He didn’t answer questions and refused to participate in any of the Field Sobriety tests. He was arrested and had his blood drawn at the hospital where it was determined his blood contained .212 g/100mLK of ethanol, almost 3 times the legal limit of .08. He faces between 5 days and 9 months in prison. He is due in court on 2/22/2021 at 1pm.

Address Sealed By Judge
Gaige’s attorney, Leah Thomas entered into an agreement, or “stipulation” with the prosecutor in this case to “seal” Grosskreutz’s address from the public view. This is pretty normal for someone like Gaige who a lot of people don’t like. He did, after all, point a gun and seemingly tried to kill 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020. He was too slow, however. Prosecutors in Kenosha, will not give such stipulation to Rittenhouse and are fighting strongly to publish the address of Kyle’s “safe house”.

On 11/2/2020 at Kyle’s initial appearance, Tom Binger tells the court that Kyle’s address won’t be published and says it’s “for good reason”. Court Commissioner Loren Keating (D) destroyed the YouTube video illegally after the hearing. The Kenosha County Eye, however recorded it and preserved it. See below:

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A Criminal History Check on Gaige Grosskreutz - Kenosha County Eye

Gaige Grosskreutz was allegedly the third man shot by Kyle Rittenhouse. The leftist media is quick to make him out to be an angel. Here is an objective look at his criminal history. The Wisconsin Read more…

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A Criminal History Check on Gaige Grosskreutz​

Gaige Grosskreutz was allegedly the third man shot by Kyle Rittenhouse. The leftist media is quick to make him out to be an angel.


Here is an objective look at his criminal history. The Wisconsin Criminal Justice system leaves a lot of ambiguity as far as conviction info, so we’ve attached the official Wisconsin Department of Justice records on Gaige. We make no assertions on what he has and has not been convicted of.

Attached: vast criminal history.

Attached: his (now expunged) Felony Burglary Criminal Complaint

An In-Depth Look Into Rittenhouse's Gun Charge - Kenosha County Eye

The prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse case has worked hard to create the myth that Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a rifle; that his defense is a loophole which applies only to hunting. An examination of Read more…

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An In-Depth Look Into Rittenhouse’s Gun Charge​

The prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse case has worked hard to create the myth that Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a rifle; that his defense is a loophole which applies only to hunting. An examination of the legislative history of the law shows the prosecution is in error.


The statute, 948.60 is at the crux of the matter. While the title seems clear: “Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.”; the first section of the law explains the law does not apply to all weapons, but only certain, specific weapons which are defined in the law.

Most weapons are excluded from the definition. The law only regulates the possession of concealable weapons, and not all concealable weapons.

All weapons are “dangerous” or they are not considered weapons. The law only applies to the weapons listed. Knives are not included in the law. Bows and arrows are not included. Crossbows are not included. Blowguns are not included. Clubs are not included. Only concealable firearms are included.

Rifles and shotguns are excluded from the “any firearm, loaded or unloaded” by the exception in 3(c), except for short-barreled rifles and shotguns, which are unusual and concealable. That has been the case in Wisconsin law since 1878. It is not a recent change, nor has it been limited to hunting.

The legislative history of the law makes clear how this language evolved.

Wisconsin first restricted the carry of concealed weapons in 1872.

Wisconsin has had a long yet somewhat erratic tradition of gun ownership and use, whether for hunting, sport, or security. The state’s early settlers openly carried weapons as tools for sustenance and survival. Conversely, many other people condemned concealed weapons as tools of cowards and impulsive criminals, leading to their ban in Wisconsin in 1872.

The law only applied to certain weapons and excluded people who were carrying for self defense; in 1878 it was extended to all concealed weapons, without the self-defense exception, although the exception for “peace officers” was rather broad.

Wisconsin has a long history of treating concealed weapons differently from weapons which are not concealed. The theory has been that weapons which are carried openly are less of a threat. If people wish to avoid an armed person who is carrying openly, they can do so. ADA Binger was trying to make a different point when he acknowledged this in the Rittenhouse hearing on 17 September, 2021:
..it is designed to deter people. It is designed to threaten others; to let them know, don’t mess with me, look what I’ve got.

In 1955, the law was codified in Wisconsin as statute section 941.23. In the same year, Wisconsin passed the precursor of the current age restriction statute (948.60), statute section 941.22. The statute prohibited people under the age of 18 from possessing pistols, defined as any firearm with a barrel length less than 12 inches. In other words, concealable firearms.

There was an exception for pistols provided by parents for supervised target shooting.

In 1984, the legislature restricted unsupervised possession of all firearms outside of family owned land and unsupervised hunting outside of family land, by graduated age restrictions of persons under 16 years of age. Statute 29.227 restricted hunting and “possession and control” of firearms as separate issues.

1n 1987, the legislature expanded the restrictions on the possession of concealable weapons by those under 18, incorporating the previous law, 941.22, into the new designation of the current 948.60. It maintained the definition of firearms which are prohibited to people under the age of 18 as “any firearm having a barrel length of 12 inches or less, and added a list of unusual concealable weapons.

In 1991, the legislature moved the wording for concealable firearms from the definition to an exception which shows firearms which are not concealable are not included in the dangerous weapon definition. The age restriction scheme created in 1984 continued to apply. The “any firearm with a barrel less than 12 inches” definition was retained.

The moving of the language from the definition to an exception created a strange anomaly in the law. Short barreled rifles and shotguns are strictly regulated under both state and federal law. Rifles are considered short-barreled if the barrel is less than 16 inches. Shotguns are considered short barreled if the barrel is less than 18 inches. The exception in 948.60 appears to create an exception for persons under the age of 18; they can possess short barreled rifles and shotguns if the barrel is longer than 12 inches.

In 1998, Wisconsin added the constitutional amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms. The amendment makes clear the purposes of bearing arms include security and defense:

The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.

In 2005, as legal short barreled rifles and shotguns became increasingly popular, the legislature clarified 948.60. The exception is changed from firearms which have a barrel length more than 12 inches, to rifles and shotguns which are not short barreled rifles and shotguns. The age restriction scheme for persons under the age of 16 remains in place.

The thrust of the law remains unchanged. Concealable firearms are included in the definition of what are considered dangerous weapons for people under the age of 18. People from 16 to 18 can possess and use (carry) rifles and shotguns, as long as they are not concealable. From age 18 to 21, people can openly carry concealable firearms as well as rifles and shotguns. Age 21 and older, people can obtain a permit to carry weapons concealed.

There is no “hunting loophole” in the law. The law merely continues the long tradition in Wisconsin law of prohibiting people under the age of 18 from possessing certain concealable weapons. It maintains the age restriction scheme for openly carried firearms put in place in 1984, which only restricts people under the age of 16.

 

[BiggerChungus]

I'm convinced someone like these guys or George Floyd could commit mass murder and they'd still be called heroes so long as they murdered people the MSM doesn't like.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

I would expect a mistrial at first due to one activist lying to get on the jury and then voting guilty no matter what with the rest of the jury being typical jurors from small-town Wisconsin that are likely to agree with the self-defense claim.

In a sane country Chauvin would have gotten a mistrial for one of numerous reasons (high profile politicians trying to influence the trial, mob intimidation of jurors, a juror wearing a black identitarian slogan on his shirt to court in a racially charged case), and yet...

 

[usoland]

He didn't kill a black person, he's going to get acquitted.