Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[Art Kassul]

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If you want to sperg over Baldwin do it over the fact he was the producer of the movie because if he is guilty of anything it will be in relation to that role not because he has a hate boner for Trump nor because he performed the direction he was given on set.

Found this on 4chan, it's 4chan so could be bullshit, but if true heads need to roll because this is pure retardation
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This is the bug-eyed jew who runs Thomasville Pictures, Allen Cheney.

Thomasville native instrumental in town’s starring role

Allen Cheney has always seen the potential in his hometown of Thomasville, GA. Now, he’s proud to say, the film industry sees it, too. Allen, a graduate of Thomasville’s Brookwood High School and LaGrange College, is a producer of “Tiger Rising,” filming in the south Georgia town. Starring Queen...

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Allen’s family has deep roots in Thomasville. He grew up there with his two brothers, and his father is a CEO of a Thomasville-based company. Both grandfathers were civic leaders, one as a physician, another as contributor to the performing arts.

Thomasville Pictures begins work on second feature film

A Thomasville-based motion picture production company is kicking off its second feature film to be filmed locally in as many years.

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One Way (upcoming film) - Wikipedia

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This looks like it is the film talked about in parent, the Thomasville Pictures movie shooting in February of 2021.

One Way (2022) - IMDb

One Way (2022) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

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REDDY, a petty criminal , is on the run with a bag full of cash and coke. He's way over his head and hurt bad. With a bullet in his guts he's running out of time. FAST.

J.J. Madaris - IMDb

J.J. Madaris, Special Effects: Insurgent. J.J. Madaris is known for his work on The Divergent Series: Insurgent (2015), Brightburn (2019) and Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019).

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This looks to be the FX head referred to in parent post, JJ Madaris. He has worked on most of the recent Thomasville Pictures pictures. Seems to be a Georgia local.

Billy Bamman - IMDb

Billy Bamman, Art Department: Left Behind

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This is the propmaster who took the prop pistol out target shooting, Billy Bamman.

Old pic? She’s only 24 now. What was she 15 in that old pic?

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This was the person in charge of firearms on Baldwin's production, no joke.
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As a lot of youths these days, she is spiritually 14 years old, and will probably never grow up.

Rust armorer was ‘new to job’ and worried she ‘wasn’t ready’ on past project

Investigations into the fatal accident are ongoing.

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Rust armorer was ‘new to job’ and worried she ‘wasn’t ready’ on first job before Halyna Hutchins death​

 

[Particle Bored]

as someone who worked in the entertainment field, i wanted to say my two cents on this:

it was not alec baldwin's job to check that gun for bullets or for blank fragments. there is a props manager and (there should be) a union safety manager on set who not only checks the gun for actual bullets, but is supposed to check for debris in the barrel and defective blank rounds as well. This is 100% the prop manager's issue. We don't know if it was straight up BULLETS or if it was defective blanks that alec shot- but either way he never should've been handed that gun. There is a whole CHAIN of people that exist to make sure Alec can handle the gun without checking it because they need to do a million takes. He wasn't playing with it, he wasn't fucking around with it, they were filming.

similarly to theatre, any gun that is not in use, even if it's the fakest gun ever and made of wood, is to be kept locked up with the proper manager until it is to be used. It is then immediately retrieved from the actor when it's done being used. on a film set this can happen upwards of 300 times a day.

When you're on a film set, traditional 'gun safety' goes out the window. You DO point guns at people, you point guns directly at the camera, and more often than not, even if you're being extra cautious, you're surrounded by staff at any given time- from consultants and interns all the way up to the director- and ANYWHERE you point the gun is going to be inadvertently 'AT' somebody.

Alec should not be charged with involuntary manslaughter, but the props master who sent out the bad gun DEFINITELY SHOULD. Criminal negligence caused that woman's death.

I cannot IMAGINE the trauma alec baldwin is facing right now, let alone the friends, family and children of the woman killed. so many people are speaking up when they don't actually know shit about what occured.

Forgive me if it's been addressed, but under what circumstances would there even need to be live ammunition on the set?

The guy on the Legally Armed America YT channel has a rule in his "gun room" that he does his videos in that anyone entering with a firearm has to deposit their cartridges/magazines in a bag outside the door. He doesnt allow live ammo anywhere near the guns on his "set" (which 99% of the times as just his workshop or whatever), and even that is a situation where: a) there isnt anyone "behind the camera," b) there is never a reason to point a gun "at" anyone, c) the lone person in the room still stringently follows the four basic rules of gun safety.

Lots of gun youtubers will check and clear the weapon five times as soon as they pick it up on camera, even though they already checked it five times before they started filming.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

was he handed a gun mistakenly thought to be cold?

 

[FlappyBat]

Forgive me if it's been addressed, but under what circumstances would there even need to be live ammunition on the set?

There is a lot of confusion still about what happened and what live / hot / cold means in the statements. The last I've heard it sounds like he thought there wasn't even a blank in there. If it was an actual bullet, something lodged in the barrel a blank set off, or some other issue we don't know.

 

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Forgive me if it's been addressed, but under what circumstances would there even need to be live ammunition on the set?

was he handed a gun mistakenly thought to be cold?

Billy Bamman - IMDb

Billy Bamman, Art Department: Left Behind

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This is the propmaster who took the prop pistol out target shooting, Billy Bamman.

Yeah an idiot took the gun out back to plink at targets, then between the crew walkout and hiring non-union people the guns and ammo all got mixed together. Still, it would've been her job to double- and triple-check that the weapon Baldwin was handed was the correct gun with the correct loadout, so ultimately she's still screwed.

 

[Particle Bored]

 

[Bunny Tracks]

It was an accident, but Baldwin is at least partially to blame because he was a producer, and it seems like he was messing around. However, I do think that if he actual knew that the gun was live/hot/whatever the fuck the term is he wouldn't have been nearly as careless.

Regardless, he's not a murderer, and the people sperging about how he should go to jail, and how he represents everything wrong with America are retarded, and should neck themselves.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Smith isn't what I'd call a 2nd Amendment ally; but props to whoever made it happen, and it's probably one of the only viral PSAs that actually worked as intended.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

was he handed a gun mistakenly thought to be cold?

This really isn't the issue. He was supposed to have a "hot" gun. They were doing a shot where Alec turns and fires into the camera frame.

It sounds like the problem is that instead of blank round, somehow, there was an actual fully charged round in the gun. Which is mind blowingly stupid.

In most Hollywood productions live round are only used for special shots, its normally not the actor firing the gun and they are always, always clearly marked as live rounds.

A blank is 100% easy to determine from a loaded round, the bullet is missing and the top is crimped into a star pattern to contain the powder. The issue usually occurs when a dummy round. which is a round where ALL the gunpowder and the primer has been removed and the bullet re-seated to look "real" for a close up of the gun is mistaken for a charged round.

Now to the best of my knowledge this kind of accident, where a fully charged round was substituted for a blank, has NEVER happened until this incident. All of the fatalities involving guns have always revolved around a blank that either fragmented or launched an object already in the barrel. Even the idiot who put a gun directly to his own head as a jest thinking the blank was safe even at point blank range didn't die to a bad blank but his own stupidity.

So we're still left with little confirmed knowledge, we don't actually know if it was a fully charged round. Different news organizations are making different claims, in the industry any round with either a primer charge or gunpowder (ie a "blank) is still called a live round because its still very dangerous.

So some news is going around that Alec was handed a fully loaded weapon, which I personally find very hard to believe. Even the most raw idiot is going to be able to tell the difference between a blank and a charged round.

Plus we have the fact that both Twatter and the MSM are known to blow up, exaggerate and plain misrepresent facts on a regular basis just to drive clicks so I'm taking all this "live round, hot gun" takes with a big grain of salt.

The only way I figure Alec was handed a weapon with a charged round in the chamber was if some idiot was using the gun before the shoot for target practice or something similar and then left a charged round in the chamber without mentioning it to anyone. Then who ever reloaded the weapon just assumed the charged round was a dummy without checking the marks and then passed off the weapon as good to go. But that's a real stretch IMHO

 

[Art Kassul]

It was an accident, but Baldwin is at least partially to blame because he was a producer, and it seems like he was messing around. However, I do think that if he actual knew that the gun was live/hot/whatever the fuck the term is he wouldn't have been nearly as careless.

Regardless, he's not a murderer, and the people sperging about how he should go to jail, and how he represents everything wrong with America are exceptional, and should neck themselves.

Just because he is indisputably innocent, doesn't mean he shouldn't be imprisoned.

 

[AnnLurker]

What are the chances she was blackmailing him and this was his chance to kill her?

 

[Particle Bored]

Regarding the whole "blank fragments" or some other foreign object being propelled by a blank charge, would blank fragments (or perhaps to a lesser extent, another non-bullet foreign object), have the mass and shape to actually fully penetrate and pass through one body and into another?

 

[Kulee Baba]

This really isn't the issue. He was supposed to have a "hot" gun. They were doing a shot where Alec turns and fires into the camera frame.

It sounds like the problem is that instead of blank round, somehow, there was an actual fully charged round in the gun. Which is mind blowingly stupid.

In most Hollywood productions live round are only used for special shots, its normally not the actor firing the gun and they are always, always clearly marked as live rounds.

A blank is 100% easy to determine from a loaded round, the bullet is missing and the top is crimped into a star pattern to contain the powder. The issue usually occurs when a dummy round. which is a round where ALL the gunpowder and the primer has been removed and the bullet re-seated to look "real" for a close up of the gun is mistaken for a charged round.

Now to the best of my knowledge this kind of accident, where a fully charged round was substituted for a blank, has NEVER happened until this incident. All of the fatalities involving guns have always revolved around a blank that either fragmented or launched an object already in the barrel. Even the idiot who put a gun directly to his own head as a jest thinking the blank was safe even at point blank range didn't die to a bad blank but his own stupidity.

So we're still left with little confirmed knowledge, we don't actually know if it was a fully charged round. Different news organizations are making different claims, in the industry any round with either a primer charge or gunpowder (ie a "blank) is still called a live round because its still very dangerous.

So some news is going around that Alec was handed a fully loaded weapon, which I personally find very hard to believe. Even the most raw idiot is going to be able to tell the difference between a blank and a charged round.

Plus we have the fact that both Twatter and the MSM are known to blow up, exaggerate and plain misrepresent facts on a regular basis just to drive clicks so I'm taking all this "live round, hot gun" takes with a big grain of salt.

The only way I figure Alec was handed a weapon with a charged round in the chamber was if some idiot was using the gun before the shoot for target practice or something similar and then left a charged round in the chamber without mentioning it to anyone. Then who ever reloaded the weapon just assumed the charged round was a dummy without checking the marks and then passed off the weapon as good to go. But that's a real stretch IMHO

You know, I'm no Alec Baldwin. Or even Daniel Baldwin. But IMO if I were given a revolver to shoot in a movie I'd check the rounds myself to make sure everything was safe.

And okay I'd be willing to give Alec and the producers benefit of the doubt. But the fact is crew members walked the set complaining of unsafe gun handling. In my eyes the producers and Baldwin himself are criminally negligent. Not murder, but definite manslaughter.

 

[AnnLurker]

Regarding the whole "blank fragments" or some other foreign object being propelled by a blank charge, would blank fragments (or perhaps to a lesser extent, another non-bullet foreign object), have the mass and shape to actually fully penetrate and pass through one body and into another?

depending on the crimping and how it happens to go off, yes. The whole point of shot is to be tiny particles at high speed, it would just be a very small one. Lets not forget that shrapnel is also a thing and sharp bits of metal or plastic can totally rip through a humans flesh.

 

[Least Concern]

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Look, the important thing here is that orange man still bad.

(Alarm clocks as necessary)

 

[Billy Beer]

In my personal experience, it was drilled in to me that whenever a gun changed hands, for whatever reason, be it passing to an armourer for inspection, or handing it to someone while you tied your shoe, you both went through the procedures of passing the rifle/gun. You check to make sure it's clear, and the person inspects the chamber, face and mag. Then they take it off of you, do the same check again, then you inspect the chamber, face and mag. ONLY THEN are you both happy that the rifle has been passed over safely.

Why aren't actors (i'm sure there's a good reason) not taught these drills? When Baldwin received the gun, he should have checked, if not for only his own conscience, that it was clear.

As a member on set, I would not trust someone who was not proficient with weapons (Baldwin) to handle any weapon. Someone like K Reeves who shoots for fun? Sure. An anti-gun faggot? Not a chance.

 

[HumanHive]

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Look, the important thing here is that orange man still bad.

(Alarm clocks as necessary)

He’s right, though. The uber alt-right infests Hollywood prop departments, as we all know. The real question is the degree in which Putin was involved.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Regarding the whole "blank fragments" or some other foreign object being propelled by a blank charge, would blank fragments (or perhaps to a lesser extent, another non-bullet foreign object), have the mass and shape to actually fully penetrate and pass through one body and into another?

Lee was killed by a slug left in the barrel of the prop gun that the blank pushed out at high velocity. It didn't punch straight though him like a real .44 mag would but it did a hell of a lot of damage so much so that the doctors were unable to save him after 18 hours of surgery.

Fragments from a failed casing have caused injuries before but I'm not sure they killed anyone. But any object, no matter how small, traveling fast enough can kill. Modern day gunpowder is very very strong compared to older version and not to be messed with. Usually the deaths are caused either inappropriate use or failure to follow instructions. Directors are known to push safety limits to get the shot they want. However that's still a pretty damn rare occurance.

Now to play devils advocate...

Keep in mind how many productions are going on at any one time and how many guns, blanks, dummy rounds are involved. Think about someone like Keanua Reeves whose done such as the Matrix and the John Wick movies and just imagine how many times blanks are fired, dummy round swapped in and out and stunts are being done in each take and multiply that by thousands to cover the rest of Hollywood. Yet in the last 25 years there have been only 5 fatalities recorded during a movie shot involving firearms. I'd say Hollywood has done a pretty decent job at managing a dangerous but necessary part of there job and probably have a much safer work environment then most other places.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It was an accident, but Baldwin is at least partially to blame because he was a producer, and it seems like he was messing around. However, I do think that if he actual knew that the gun was live/hot/whatever the fuck the term is he wouldn't have been nearly as careless.

Regardless, he's not a murderer, and the people sperging about how he should go to jail, and how he represents everything wrong with America are exceptional, and should neck themselves.

I would be in prison if I did what Baldwin did. He doesn't get charges filed on him because he's a rich Hollywood star that pays people to not press charges on him.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Look, the important thing here is that orange man still bad.

(Alarm clocks as necessary)

At least orange man isn't smug as "Queen Hillary".