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N Korea slams US for supporting Taiwan in nod to ally China​

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FILE - In this Aug. 27, 2021, file photo provided by U.S. Coast Guard, Legend-class U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter Munro (WMSL 755) transits the Taiwan Strait during a routine transit with Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG 100).  North Korea on Saturday, Oct. 23, accused the Biden administration of raising military tensions with China with its “reckless” backing of Taiwan and claimed that the growing U.S. military presence in the region poses a potential threat to the North.(U.S. Coast Guard via AP, File)

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea on Saturday accused the Biden administration of raising military tensions with China through its “reckless” backing of Taiwan, and said that the growing U.S. military presence in the region constitutes a potential threat to the North.
In comments carried by state media, North Korea Vice Foreign Minister Pak Myong Ho criticized the United States for sending warships through the Taiwan Strait and providing Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China claims as part of its territory, with upgraded weapons systems and military training.
The United States’ “indiscreet meddling” in issues regarding Taiwan, which the North sees as entirely a Chinese internal affair, threatens to touch off a “delicate situation on the Korean Peninsula.”
Pak’s statement came a day after President Joe Biden told a CNN townhall event that the United States was committed to coming to Taiwan’s defense if it comes under attack from China. While that seemed to blur Washington’s long-held stance of maintaining “strategic ambiguity” on whether it would intervene if China were to attack Taiwan, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Biden had no intent to convey a change in policy.

China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949, and although it maintains formal diplomatic relations only with Beijing, the U.S. remains committed by law to ensure Taiwan can defend itself from outside threats.

North Korea has increasingly criticized the broader U.S. security role in the Indo-Pacific amid an intensifying competition with China, Pyongyang’s major ally and economic lifeline. Last month, the North threatened unspecified countermeasures following the Biden administration’s decision to provide nuclear-powered submarines to Australia.

“It is a well-known fact that the U.S. troops and its military bases in (South Korea) are in use to put pressure on China and that the huge forces of the U.S. and its satellite states, which are being concentrated near Taiwan, can be committed to a military operation targeting the DPRK at any time,” Pak said, using an abbreviation of the North’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

He said the increasing military presence of U.S.-led “hostile forces” in the region was based on a “lame assertion” that North Korea and China would cause trouble in Taiwan and the Korean Peninsula.

“This reality proves that the U.S. is in its bid to stifle our country and China, both socialist countries, in order to hold on to its supremacy,” Pak said.

Nuclear negotiations between Washington and Pyongyang have stalled for more than two years over the issue of relaxing crippling U.S.-led sanctions against North Korea in return for steps by the North to wind down its nuclear weapons program.

Pyongyang sees the possession of nuclear weapons as the ultimate guarantor of the survival of the Kim dynasty that has run the country with an iron fist since the 1940s.

Ending a monthslong lull in September, North Korea has been ramping up its missile tests while making conditional peace offers to Seoul, reviving a pattern of pressuring South Korea to try to get what it wants from the United States.

Sung Kim, Biden’s special envoy for North Korea, arrived in South Korea on Saturday for talks with allies on reviving negotiations with the North. Kim told reporters he expected “productive” discussions with South Korean officials during their meeting on Sunday, before leaving the airport without taking further questions.

The Biden administration’s pullout from Afghanistan underscored a broader shift in U.S. focus away from counterterrorism and so-called rogue states like North Korea and Iran. That is putting the focus on confronting a near-peer adversary in China, and part of that apparent strategy appear to be offering the North a resumption of talks without preconditions.

But the North has so far rejected the idea of open-ended talks, saying that Washington must abandon its “hostile policy,” a term North Korea mainly refers to sanctions and U.S.-South Korea joint military exercises.
 
Norks can fuck right off, no one gives a shit about your hermit country. Dont they have some fish to fire missiles at or families they can jail for all eternity?

I honestly wish we could just turn North Korea into a parking lot and save all of us the trouble of them actually getting nukes assuming they dont already have them now.
 
Norks can fuck right off, no one gives a shit about your hermit country. Dont they have some fish to fire missiles at or families they can jail for all eternity?

I honestly wish we could just turn North Korea into a parking lot and save all of us the trouble of them actually getting nukes assuming they dont already have them now.
"If South Korea gets involved in Taiwan we'll start Korean War 2" is a pretty effective deterrent when your capital is in artillery range of North Korea. China will absolutely leverage that if they start a war over Taiwan.
 
"If South Korea gets involved in Taiwan we'll start Korean War 2" is a pretty effective deterrent when your capital is in artillery range of North Korea. China will absolutely leverage that if they start a war over Taiwan.
North Korea is like a bee in a sense, because while it can sting you it will die in the process. North Korea has to know that a second Korean War would only end with the total destruction of their regime, and for the past few decades they've been very lucky that everyone else involved has wanted to maintain peace on the peninsula and refuses to call their bluff.
 
Biden can't even pronounce "strategic ambiguity" let alone comprehend it.

North Korea is like a bee in a sense, because while it can sting you it will die in the process. North Korea has to know that a second Korean War would only end with the total destruction of their regime, and for the past few decades they've been very lucky that everyone else involved has wanted to maintain peace on the peninsula and refuses to call their bluff.
I wouldn't doubt they're focusing everything on getting nukes. They'll be far more than a bee, then.
 
Biden can't even pronounce "strategic ambiguity" let alone comprehend it.


I wouldn't doubt they're focusing everything on getting nukes. They'll be far more than a bee, then.
They have nukes, working nukes. They also have ICBMs. They haven't demonstrated a full range ICBM test, but they've shown off the system. North Korea can 100% nuke South Korea or Japan, and can give nuking America a go. Most people dramatically underestimate the North Korean nuclear program.
 
Remember when people were fuming over Trump shitposting about his big red button saying that it was going to start another war? haha
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They have nukes, working nukes. They also have ICBMs. They haven't demonstrated a full range ICBM test, but they've shown off the system. North Korea can 100% nuke South Korea or Japan, and can give nuking America a go. Most people dramatically underestimate the North Korean nuclear program.
If that's true then we really fucked up. We should offer Taiwan to China in exchange for wiping out North Korea. They're too crazy to be allowed to exist with nukes.
 
If that's true then we really fucked up. We should offer Taiwan to China in exchange for wiping out North Korea. They're too crazy to be allowed to exist with nukes.
At best you're starting a nuclear war, creating an unprecedented humanitarian crisis as millions of starving North Koreans flood over the border to Seoul, and giving up an Asian democracy to the CCP. I trust North Korea with nukes more than I do Pakistan, Kim Jong Un's sole motivating force is his own continued survival.

The problem is if he's serious about entering WW3 on China's side should China invade Taiwan.
 
At best you're starting a nuclear war, creating an unprecedented humanitarian crisis as millions of starving North Koreans flood over the border to Seoul, and giving up an Asian democracy to the CCP. I trust North Korea with nukes more than I do Pakistan, Kim Jong Un's sole motivating force is his own continued survival.

The problem is if he's serious about entering WW3 on China's side should China invade Taiwan.
Nuclear war, how? If we just vaporize North Korea and China sits back allowing it, then it should be alright. Does North Korea have any other allies of note? A quick Google indicates "China and North Korea have a mutual aid and co-operation treaty, which is currently the only defense treaty either country has with any nation."

If NK has nobody but China willing to help them, then if we give China a sweet enough deal to Judas NK, I see no problem. Well, aside from all the immense civilian casualties.
 
If NK has nobody but China willing to help them, then if we give China a sweet enough deal to Judas NK, I see no problem. Well, aside from all the immense civilian casualties.
They don't, at least they don't have anybody who have the capability appreciably help them, but China likely really wants to keep a buffer state between them and a country with US troops.
 
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Nuclear war, how? If we just vaporize North Korea and China sits back allowing it, then it should be alright. Does North Korea have any other allies of note? A quick Google indicates "China and North Korea have a mutual aid and co-operation treaty, which is currently the only defense treaty either country has with any nation."

If NK has nobody but China willing to help them, then if we give China a sweet enough deal to Judas NK, I see no problem. Well, aside from all the immense civilian casualties.
North Korea can nuke back.
 
North Korea can nuke back.
That's assuming our nuclear capabilities are equal. If they do have nukes they're probably babbies first nuke. I wouldn't doubt we could just blast them into dust before they could retaliate. They probably have zero defense against incoming strikes, and while we probably have pretty poor defensive capabilities too just because of how difficult it is to stop these things, the odds are well in our favor.
 
Nuclear war, how? If we just vaporize North Korea and China sits back allowing it, then it should be alright. Does North Korea have any other allies of note? A quick Google indicates "China and North Korea have a mutual aid and co-operation treaty, which is currently the only defense treaty either country has with any nation."

If NK has nobody but China willing to help them, then if we give China a sweet enough deal to Judas NK, I see no problem. Well, aside from all the immense civilian casualties.
North Korea themselves have road mobile ICBMs, IRBMs, and even some short range SLBMs (submarine launched ballistic missile). They recently publicized a train-mobile missile. It would be very difficult to completely eliminate North Korea's nuclear weapons with a first strike, which is the point.
 
North Korea themselves have road mobile ICBMs, IRBMs, and even some short range SLBMs (submarine launched ballistic missile). They recently publicized a train-mobile missile. It would be very difficult to completely eliminate North Korea's nuclear weapons with a first strike, which is the point.
They're relatively small, about the size of Mississippi. I'm sure our intel has such a small nation strategically analyzed. We'd know where to rain down on them. It's definitely sounding riskier though.

But I think letting a country flagrantly threatening nukes can't be allowed to exist and it's better to take a calculated risk now then let them continue to advance and plot with China.
 
That's assuming our nuclear capabilities are equal. If they do have nukes they're probably babbies first nuke. I wouldn't doubt we could just blast them into dust before they could retaliate. They probably have zero defense against incoming strikes, and while we probably have pretty poor defensive capabilities too just because of how difficult it is to stop these things, the odds are well in our favor.
Consider that China has been propping them up, and China has a fairly potent nuclear arsenal. It's easy to think Norks are impotent, but you don't want to gamble like that when MAD is involved.
 
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At best you're starting a nuclear war, creating an unprecedented humanitarian crisis as millions of starving North Koreans flood over the border to Seoul, and giving up an Asian democracy to the CCP. I trust North Korea with nukes more than I do Pakistan, Kim Jong Un's sole motivating force is his own continued survival.

The problem is if he's serious about entering WW3 on China's side should China invade Taiwan.

I'm not worried about WW3 to be honest... if/when it starts, civilization is going to stop soon afterwards.

no point worrying about it, when the inevitable outcome is being reduced to a shadow burnt into a wall at best.
 
Consider that China has been propping them up, and China has a fairly potent nuclear arsenal. It's easy to think Norks are impotent, but you don't want to gamble like that when MAD is involved.
That's a key issue. Any action would need to first be conducted after somehow convincing China to let NK go. I don't know which they value more, Taiwan or NK, but even if Taiwan is less important there's probably other considerations we could throw into the pot to sweeten the deal.

Aside from letting them take Taiwan, we could turn a blind eye to the China/India border dispute. Also, Biden's nominee for China ambassador is (surprisingly) talking tough ("genocide in Xinjiang and abuses in Tibet must stop"). Surely they'd like us to butt out of all that, and I'm sure there's some trade dealings we could work out more in their favor, etc.

Basically we could do a lot to hopefully get China off of NK's dick.

 
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