Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[Constellationzero]

He also says they never asked him to stop, which they probably did,

I doubt they actually asked him to stop, except through Skordas when the "invasive and troubling" comment came out. Famous people and their family usually stick to no acknowledgement. Hell, they probably really had no knowledge of his Martinelli's, gas station flowers and balloon weights as it is. But he kept sending multiple gas station tard gifts to more than one address. Even if they don't actually know who the greasy gourd is, they were certainly aware they had a potential My Sister Sam situation brewing.

Still, you'd think the Greers, or someone in his life would've sat him down and told him that NOBODY owes him a thing. Not an explanation. Not an audience. Not a date. Not a phone call. And not even a thank you. Nothing. And he needs to learn that he WILL ACCEPT no answer (if that's what the recipient wants), or he'll see penitentiary very soon.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

I like to re-listen to Rackets' Greerstreams when I need some background noise and nothing else is really appealing. Re-listened to what I think was Russell's first filing against Jersh - the one where he sneakily calls Skordas a scumbag or other derogatory term by saying "Kiwis are scumbags, and while we are on the subject, let's talk about Skordas."

Listening to the part about his Taylor suit made me ponder a question. We know that musicians have to refuse unsolicited works for any reason, sure (and apparently this applies to Netflix and other streaming services as well). But I wonder what would have happened if Russell had gotten an obvious form letter "signed by Taylor" in response to his song?

Something like,

"Dear [fan's name], thank you very much for your gift. The support of my fans means the world to me. I hope your dreams always come true and that your life is always enchanted. Love, Taylor"

Would that have nipped the plights in the bud? This is the same mongo who thought that the manufacturers of Katy Perry's "clothing line" actually had anything to do with Perry herself, so I don't know if he's bright enough to recognize a form letter if it's got a cute little signature pre-printed on.

Or would he have found another reason to try and sue her to get her attention?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[ConSluttant]

I like to re-listen to Rackets' Greerstreams when I need some background noise and nothing else is really appealing. Re-listened to what I think was Russell's first filing against Jersh - the one where he sneakily calls Skordas a scumbag or other derogatory term by saying "Kiwis are scumbags, and while we are on the subject, let's talk about Skordas."

Listening to the part about his Taylor suit made me ponder a question. We know that musicians have to refuse unsolicited works for any reason, sure (and apparently this applies to Netflix and other streaming services as well). But I wonder what would have happened if Russell had gotten an obvious form letter "signed by Taylor" in response to his song?

Something like,

"Dear [fan's name], thank you very much for your gift. The support of my fans means the world to me. I hope your dreams always come true and that your life is always enchanted. Love, Taylor"

Would that have nipped the plights in the bud? This is the same mongo who thought that the manufacturers of Katy Perry's "clothing line" actually had anything to do with Perry herself, so I don't know if he's bright enough to recognize a form letter if it's got a cute little signature pre-printed on.

Or would he have found another reason to try and sue her to get her attention?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Unfortunately with the song I think they had to respond the way they did. Otherwise it leaves open the door that Taylor might have used some of the song in a future work because she might have listened to it. That leads to lawsuits. That is a door that must remain shut and locked. Forever.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

I like to re-listen to Rackets' Greerstreams when I need some background noise and nothing else is really appealing. Re-listened to what I think was Russell's first filing against Jersh - the one where he sneakily calls Skordas a scumbag or other derogatory term by saying "Kiwis are scumbags, and while we are on the subject, let's talk about Skordas."

Listening to the part about his Taylor suit made me ponder a question. We know that musicians have to refuse unsolicited works for any reason, sure (and apparently this applies to Netflix and other streaming services as well). But I wonder what would have happened if Russell had gotten an obvious form letter "signed by Taylor" in response to his song?

Something like,

"Dear [fan's name], thank you very much for your gift. The support of my fans means the world to me. I hope your dreams always come true and that your life is always enchanted. Love, Taylor"

Would that have nipped the plights in the bud? This is the same mongo who thought that the manufacturers of Katy Perry's "clothing line" actually had anything to do with Perry herself, so I don't know if he's bright enough to recognize a form letter if it's got a cute little signature pre-printed on.

Or would he have found another reason to try and sue her to get her attention?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Fuck, no. A letter like that would, in Russ’s mind, be a contract as good as signed to make Russ famous and suck him his penis. We’ve seen what a tiny crumb of encouragement does to the twat, just look at how he ran with Judge Tena’s “oh the Kiwis were very mean to you” type comment in her judgement on his latest lolsuit. He’d have been scaling the walls of Taylor’s house and demanding to go backstage, the works, if he’d had a letter like that.

Never give these nutters an inch, they’ll want the whole nine yards and more.

 

[Compositesludge]

I'm taking the time to read Russ' magnum opus and it's fantastic. It's a weird outsider art story that has dreams and fantasy set against a heavily deluded man's inner monologue. It reminds me a lot of Only Forward. The writing is hilarious

My favorite part is how he determines that he had sent nothing creepy to "her, her agents, and her family." He specifically mentions that he's been trying to flood everybody he can with insistent messages, but evidently that isn't a problem because he's being nice about it or something. I think that messaging everybody around somebody in a desperate attempt to break through their clear desire not to interact with you is plenty creepy, but maybe that's just me.

 

[DrJonesHat]

My favorite part is how he determines that he had sent nothing creepy to "her, her agents, and her family." He specifically mentions that he's been trying to flood everybody he can with insistent messages, but evidently that isn't a problem because he's being nice about it or something. I think that messaging everybody around somebody in a desperate attempt to break through their clear desire not to interact with you is plenty creepy, but maybe that's just me.

It is, but Russ doesn't understand that no matter what his intentions might be, his methods are considered invasive and creepy. Particularity creepy was his weird fixation on Taylor's brother. Russ went after him to make Taylor listen to his song, because he thought her brother had some kind of authority over her. He did the same with her dad. As we all know, he doesn't see women as autonomous beings. He's always trying to figure out which man has control of whoever he's fixated on that week, and if they don't have a husband/boyfriend/boss he assumes they're fair game for him to step in and take control.

 

[The Un-Clit]

I like to re-listen to Rackets' Greerstreams when I need some background noise and nothing else is really appealing. Re-listened to what I think was Russell's first filing against Jersh - the one where he sneakily calls Skordas a scumbag or other derogatory term by saying "Kiwis are scumbags, and while we are on the subject, let's talk about Skordas."

Listening to the part about his Taylor suit made me ponder a question. We know that musicians have to refuse unsolicited works for any reason, sure (and apparently this applies to Netflix and other streaming services as well). But I wonder what would have happened if Russell had gotten an obvious form letter "signed by Taylor" in response to his song?

Something like,

"Dear [fan's name], thank you very much for your gift. The support of my fans means the world to me. I hope your dreams always come true and that your life is always enchanted. Love, Taylor"

Would that have nipped the plights in the bud? This is the same mongo who thought that the manufacturers of Katy Perry's "clothing line" actually had anything to do with Perry herself, so I don't know if he's bright enough to recognize a form letter if it's got a cute little signature pre-printed on.

Or would he have found another reason to try and sue her to get her attention?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Not at all. I don't need to point out the reasons why this would be a terrible turn-out, they've already been pointed out above this by now.

Also regarding the 'shrivelling head' part of his book, that's a good spot! Another example of him using 'head tightening' outside of that one legal claim for PTSD where it sounded so goddamn funny when it 'caused Greer's head to tighten'.

I wonder if there are any other references in his book to trauma lumps or tightening heads, those two segments of Russhole's word salad have always been my favourites, closely followed by, of course,
"WOO HOO HOO!!! A WOO HOO HOO!!! (I love you, Heidi Klum!) " It'll be a while before anything tops them, if ever.

 

[TurdFondler]

There's nothing in that book about trauma lumps or head tightening unfortunately, the shriveling is as close as we get. There's at least one point in each chapter where he literally says "if they would just let me explain..."

The strawmen he writes in as the only people to listen to him are immediately won over by his brilliance. Ken, the old lawyer, somehow talks like a retarded 2000s preteen.

At one point he admits Ken was right and his legal argument is flimsy and the whole thing backfired, but Russ immediately backtracks and says it shouldn't matter because he's so passionate and tries so hard.

My favorite scene so far, apart from the dream sequences and the parts where he hallucinates words appearing on walls, is when he loses in court and tries to get run over by a train. A man saves him at the last second, he turns out to be a lawyer. He takes Russ to breakfast and is entirely convinced that they can crush Taylor.

 

[DrJonesHat]

My favorite scene so far, apart from the dream sequences and the parts where he hallucinates words appearing on walls, is when he loses in court and tries to get run over by a train. A man saves him at the last second, he turns out to be a lawyer. He takes Russ to breakfast and is entirely convinced that they can crush Taylor.

And this mysterious lawyer just happens to agree with all of Russ's arguments, which have been picked apart by actual lawyer people and even judges have tried to explain why he's wrong.

 

[Meredith Swift]

And this mysterious lawyer just happens to agree with all of Russ's arguments, which have been picked apart by actual lawyer people and even judges have tried to explain why he's wrong.

But THEN Rusty refuses the lawyer's help when he bills him because he's "only in it for the money"

 

[TurdFondler]

It was honestly an entirely useless sub-plot. The lawyer comes in and tells Russ he has a slam dunk case and they will both be rich and Taylor will be destroyed. Ultimately Russ refuses and never speaks to that lawyer again. It added nothing at all to the story.

 

[Cilleystring]

It is, but Russ doesn't understand that no matter what his intentions might be, his methods are considered invasive and creepy. Particularity creepy was his weird fixation on Taylor's brother. Russ went after him to make Taylor listen to his song, because he thought her brother had some kind of authority over her. He did the same with her dad. As we all know, he doesn't see women as autonomous beings. He's always trying to figure out which man has control of whoever he's fixated on that week, and if they don't have a husband/boyfriend/boss he assumes they're fair game for him to step in and take control.

Wonder if Russ would settle for giving Taylor's brother a handjob and trying to use that as his claim to fame

 

[The Dude]

I doubt they actually asked him to stop, except through Skordas when the "invasive and troubling" comment came out. Famous people and their family usually stick to no acknowledgement. Hell, they probably really had no knowledge of his Martinelli's, gas station flowers and balloon weights as it is. But he kept sending multiple gas station tard gifts to more than one address. Even if they don't actually know who the greasy gourd is, they were certainly aware they had a potential My Sister Sam situation brewing.

Still, you'd think the Greers, or someone in his life would've sat him down and told him that NOBODY owes him a thing. Not an explanation. Not an audience. Not a date. Not a phone call. And not even a thank you. Nothing. And he needs to learn that he WILL ACCEPT no answer (if that's what the recipient wants), or he'll see penitentiary very soon.

Russhole has had this all explained to him many, many times. His family did try to get him to see reason and quit with his frivolous law suits before it ruined his career prospects, as did friends (when he had some), teachers, and employers. He didn't just ignore them, he shuts down to all input whenever he's being told something he doesn't like. Then he rewrites the situation so that he's a victim being kept down by jealous haters. When his family started telling him to give up on the Taylor Swift bullshit, I think that was a big part of what has caused Shit-Lips to drive a wedge between them. Sitting Russhole down and trying to get him to see reality is a fool's errand.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Yeah I guarantee Russ has this script in his head where he moves to Vegas and gets rich and famous. Then as soon as his probation is up he breaks the restraining order with a grand gesture of his wealth and success. Erika sees how wrong she was to have him charged with stalking and harassment and what a great guy he is. She drops the restraining order and begs him for another chance. I hope Russ isn't exceptional enough to actually try this. I'd prefer if he wasn't in prison. He's way funnier.

I really hope she gave her local law enforcement a copy of the SLC retraining order and his probation terms. Enough so that they won't treat Russ as a new first time stalker.

I doubt they actually asked him to stop, except through Skordas when the "invasive and troubling" comment came out. Famous people and their family usually stick to no acknowledgement. Hell, they probably really had no knowledge of his Martinelli's, gas station flowers and balloon weights as it is. But he kept sending multiple gas station tard gifts to more than one address. Even if they don't actually know who the greasy gourd is, they were certainly aware they had a potential My Sister Sam situation brewing.

Still, you'd think the Greers, or someone in his life would've sat him down and told him that NOBODY owes him a thing. Not an explanation. Not an audience. Not a date. Not a phone call. And not even a thank you. Nothing. And he needs to learn that he WILL ACCEPT no answer (if that's what the recipient wants), or he'll see penitentiary very soon.

Yes, because the first thing a celebrities non celebrity family is going to do when being contacted by a creepy overbearing stalker who found them using non public information is to open up a polite dialog with the stalker and ask him to stop. Russ somehow misses that even that initial contact is grossly offensive and terrorizing. The family will contact Law Enforcement and Lawyers.

And that shit is why Russ got shitcanned from his only law office related job. They were concerned he would misuse their research tools and resources leaving them liable. Because Krusty Rusty does not understand boundaries.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Yes, because the first thing a celebrities non celebrity family is going to do when being contacted by a creepy overbearing stalker who found them using non public information is to open up a polite dialog with the stalker and ask him to stop. Russ somehow misses that even that initial contact is grossly offensive and terrorizing. The family will contact Law Enforcement and Lawyers.

In that case, a simple "fuck off, don't contact us again for any reason" establishes that contact is unwanted and the harasser is aware of this. That makes it easier to get a restraining order and/or charges filed because the harasser can't argue he didn't know they didn't want to talk to him/her. And they may have very well told him to stop. Erika did too, and he didn't. At most he paused, then resumed harassing her to see if she changed her mind because normal people totally go from FUCK OFF CREEP to LET ME HAVE YOUR BABY.

 

[Drowningman]

No means No to the world except to Russ.That is his way of thinking.

Question when he started the first TS lawsuit,he was working as a paralegal so do any of you think he DID use their resources to find out info on TS even though he "claims" he used a info pay site.

 

[DrJonesHat]

No means No to the world except to Russ.That is his way of thinking.

Question when he started the first TS lawsuit,he was working as a paralegal so do any of you think he DID use their resources to find out info on TS even though he "claims" he used a info pay site.

I think he would have gotten in some kind of trouble if he had. I actually believe that he used a pay site to get the Swift family's info.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Would that have nipped the plights in the bud?

Nope. He'd do what we sometimes call "lawyering." Anything that can be twisted into an argument for what a client wants, will be. The decision by the Swifts to go zero response was damned smart.

Something I've wondered about: Is it possible that the parents who allowed Russ to decorate their daughter's room thought he honestly didn't expect her to agree to go to the prom with him?

 

[DrJonesHat]

Nope. He'd do what we sometimes call "lawyering." Anything that can be twisted into an argument for what a client wants, will be. The decision by the Swifts to go zero response was damned smart.

As has been shown, he wouldn't have stopped even if told to. You can argue that giving no response to someone is essentially telling them to fuck off but to Russ that just means try harder.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

Russhole has had this all explained to him many, many times. His family did try to get him to see reason and quit with his frivolous law suits before it ruined his career prospects, as did friends (when he had some), teachers, and employers. He didn't just ignore them, he shuts down to all input whenever he's being told something he doesn't like. Then he rewrites the situation so that he's a victim being kept down by jealous haters. When his family started telling him to give up on the Taylor Swift bullshit, I think that was a big part of what has caused Shit-Lips to drive a wedge between them. Sitting Russhole down and trying to get him to see reality is a fool's errand.

Russell (and Lucas Werner) needed to be taken behind the woodshed to get a good old-fashioned ass-whipping.

Sometimes you talk talk until you're blue in the face, and it doesn't do any good. A good whippin' can nip shit in the bud.

But since Russell is too big and old to be put over the knee, he needs to be hurt where it matters to him, by seizing his hooker fund. He won't learn anything unless this happens.