US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[gaystoner]

Yall Manchin owns a literal yacht and can do insider trading on his own. You cant bribe already rich people with money. Theyre not all exceedingly greedy.

 

[Snekposter]

I didn't say bribe, I mean our institutionalized corruption called lobbying. All you need is a few senators to derail any real plans, like you see with Manchin. Oh of course Mitch will publicly disapprove, but that doesn't really matter when he's acting behind the scenes, does it?

If it was that easy, how come the Democrats had to fight tooth and nail within their own party to get Obamacare passed? Public opinion is a hell of a motivation factor. After all, surely Manchin's palms can be greased, right?

 

[northstar747]

Do you mean make a deal whereby they'd even-handedly apply rules rather than their current thing? I'd suspect that would be a requirement of any deal made, and would be rolled into the 230 refinements, Its the lowest pain they could go for, a Damocles sword above their head that could be brought down if they break their end of the deal?

sorry let me clarify my thesis like drag here says

I'd invert these two. Big Tech was the one who hurt him personally by cutting his Twitter and the ones who spearheaded TDS in regular people.

The TDS was cheered on by big tech.

My grandpa owned a buisness back in the day and explained to me that not mater who ran for office you basically had to piles of money one larger than the other and you gave to both parties to basically hedge.

That why you dont have a fucking target on your back saying "hey other party if you take me down you can hurt your opponent"

once the TDS was started and big tech refused to pull back or stand up for "both sides ism" or have some of their C level people go work for trump or other gop politicians it sends a clear message of we are less business and more politics.

My question was do you know why big tech went against trump and bet the house on the dems? aka are they true believers?

 

[Gehenna]

sorry let me clarify my thesis like drag here says

The TDS was cheered on by big tech.

My grandpa owned a buisness back in the day and explained to me that not mater who ran for office you basically had to piles of money one larger than the other and you gave to both parties to basically hedge.

That why you dont have a fucking target on your back saying "hey other party if you take me down you can hurt your opponent"

once the TDS was started and big tech refused to pull back or stand up for "both sides ism" or have some of their C level people go work for trump or other gop politicians it sends a clear message of we are less business and more politics.

My question was do you know why big tech went against trump and bet the house on the dems? aka are they true believers?

The amount of true belief varies from company to company, but largely the answer is a firm "No". BigTech definitely politically leans towards the left, but that is due to decades of slow infestation. Still, at the very top, they largely don't give a fuck. Why they signed on is a bit complicated, but I'll simplify it a bit. Put simply then, the Left was willing to promise them power, and seemed poised to be able to make good on that. The right was in remission, largely run by RINOs and almost entirely controlled opposition. Hillary was lined up right after Obama and everyone hated Bush. The left was ascendant to true Single-Party status. So, when the left made overtures to them about providing them near-limitless power they signed on and slowly but surely their policies more and more favoured the left.

And then the U.S. populace threw a giant orange Molotov at the establishment.

Trump had some interesting effects that rippled out from his election. He kinda took everything that was slowly going wrong and then just made it -worse-. BigTech was actually the most insulated from this, but the problem was that Trump made a brand new problem. With Obama out, they suddenly had to actively do something and the Democrats kept putting more and more pressure on them to make the Right miserable. Until then, they could sorta pretend to be non-partisan but now they were being forced into completely alienating one side. Still, with no real way out of it and the promise of a Cabal which would set everything back to normal they did it. They did it, and regretted it.

Yes, they got Trump out. Yes, they had a pivotal role in it. But things didn't return to normal, they only got worse.

 

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My question was do you know why big tech went against trump and bet the house on the dems? aka are they true believers?

My theory is a combination of things.

The social media CEOs clearly have some kind of god complex. They think they're really gonna fix the world, which implies many things - that the world is fundamentally broken, that they have the answers, that they have the power to force that change, and them fixing it would be a good thing. Maybe not the Facebook ceo. Definitely Jack.

The communists also worked very hard on entryism on the tech sector. Once they got in they replaced people with their allies and pushed out people who disagreed with them. That's why you can see companies like Spotify and Netflix be basically commanded by woke activists from below.

The final thing is tech is just as vulnerable to epistemic closure as everyone else. Those woke types got pro-left bigotry embedded into the software, and it (along with the woke left employees) fed the C levels and a few levels down bad data about culture, politics, et cetera. They also probably fed into the C level's God complex.

In short, they used their own supply.

Also, pretty sure the glow in the darks night be involved in some way.

 

[Getting tard comed]

My question was do you know why big tech went against trump and bet the house on the dems? aka are they true believers?

Not to say anybody else's answers to this are wrong but I suggest you look into the funding for Facebook, Twitter, and Google at the beginning of them just starting out. Then look at what happened with the owner of MySpace when we was approached and told them No.

Amazon is the only tech company that hasn't recoeved deep state funding and even then quite a bit of their contracts are goverment contracts.

When the person/people who own you tell you to do something, whether you're a true believe or not you do it.

 

[northstar747]

The amount of true belief varies from company to company, but largely the answer is a firm "No". BigTech definitely politically leans towards the left, but that is due to decades of slow infestation. Still, at the very top, they largely don't give a fuck. Why they signed on is a bit complicated, but I'll simplify it a bit. Put simply then, the Left was willing to promise them power, and seemed poised to be able to make good on that. The right was in remission, largely run by RINOs and almost entirely controlled opposition. Hillary was lined up right after Obama and everyone hated Bush. The left was ascendant to true Single-Party status. So, when the left made overtures to them about providing them near-limitless power they signed on and slowly but surely their policies more and more favoured the left.

And then the U.S. populace threw a giant orange Molotov at the establishment.

Trump had some interesting effects that rippled out from his election. He kinda took everything that was slowly going wrong and then just made it -worse-. BigTech was actually the most insulated from this, but the problem was that Trump made a brand new problem. With Obama out, they suddenly had to actively do something and the Democrats kept putting more and more pressure on them to make the Right miserable. Until then, they could sorta pretend to be non-partisan but now they were being forced into completely alienating one side. Still, with no real way out of it and the promise of a Cabal which would set everything back to normal they did it. They did it, and regretted it.

Yes, they got Trump out. Yes, they had a pivotal role in it. But things didn't return to normal, they only got worse.

One article I remember reading years ago about the 2012 election was how romney's tech plan basically failed their internal software program orca or narwal I think it was narwhal was a shit show and didnt work while obamas tech plan had people who knew what they were doing.

I would find it funny if the GOP joined with the establishment dems to fuck big tech. lol

as for your earily question about 230 reform. I think the smartest move would be the equal access the payment processors which null goes on at length.

The break up or threat of braking up the very intagrated infrastructure like to prevent what AWS did to parlor.
And some kinda rule where lets say I go on facebook to say nigger, and for that I become unpersone from twitter google, and all else.

I think that might buy big tech a break because as you pointed out the "winning team" bullied them to do shit they shouldnt have done. having regs and rules in place to shield them would serv their own interests.

 

[Delta Integrale]

If I might hazard some speculation. I believe I can guess what will happen. Assuming Trump wins 2024, they will begin making overtures to Trump under the table. Publically going along with the left's apoplexy but seeking to find out exactly what he wants and what they can give to avoid total destruction. Depending on what they have to use, they could skip-free with only a minor revision of 230, or be torn apart. Trump doesn't want to personally destroy big Tech since they didn't really stab him in the back, so much as stab him in the front. So if they seek to continue existing, making a deal with the Trumpian Devil is their best bet.

If you don't mind speculating further, what are your thoughts on which direction this will go if:
1. A non-Trump Republican/RINO gets into office in 2024 or
2. A democrat gets into office in 2024?

 

[Gehenna]

If you don't mind speculating further, what are your thoughts on which direction this will go if:
1. A non-Trump Republican/RINO gets into office in 2024 or
2. A democrat gets into office in 2024?

In 1, they try to do it, and it's some half-hearted measure at best. In 2, nothing happens they remain locked in.

 

[Jaimas]

The amount of true belief varies from company to company, but largely the answer is a firm "No". BigTech definitely politically leans towards the left, but that is due to decades of slow infestation. Still, at the very top, they largely don't give a fuck. Why they signed on is a bit complicated, but I'll simplify it a bit. Put simply then, the Left was willing to promise them power, and seemed poised to be able to make good on that. The right was in remission, largely run by RINOs and almost entirely controlled opposition. Hillary was lined up right after Obama and everyone hated Bush. The left was ascendant to true Single-Party status. So, when the left made overtures to them about providing them near-limitless power they signed on and slowly but surely their policies more and more favoured the left.

And then the U.S. populace threw a giant orange Molotov at the establishment.

Trump had some interesting effects that rippled out from his election. He kinda took everything that was slowly going wrong and then just made it -worse-. BigTech was actually the most insulated from this, but the problem was that Trump made a brand new problem. With Obama out, they suddenly had to actively do something and the Democrats kept putting more and more pressure on them to make the Right miserable. Until then, they could sorta pretend to be non-partisan but now they were being forced into completely alienating one side. Still, with no real way out of it and the promise of a Cabal which would set everything back to normal they did it. They did it, and regretted it.

Yes, they got Trump out. Yes, they had a pivotal role in it. But things didn't return to normal, they only got worse.

If you want a really good example of this shit in real time, Facebook's responses to Dem pressure - and the type of pressure they're applying - are really quite telling.

Originally, their pressure on Facebook was comparatively light. As time went on and desperation built, they got more and more vicious about it, until around 2018 when the Blue Wave failed to materialize and panic set in. At this point, they gunned the accelerator and pulled out all the stops with shutting down and deplatforming basically anything that could conceivably make them look bad. What started with post takedowns for offensive content turned into them censoring the NY Post and deleting videos by actual scientists critical of the COVID narratives.

Cut to 2021 and the Biden admin is basically forcing them to enact policy at gunpoint with shutting down coof criticism of any kind. The only reason it's not worse is that the administration doesn't really have the capital to make good on its threats, but the fact that they basically admitted "Yeah, we're making big tech censor you fuckers for us, and you can't do shit about it" is a gigantic declaration of intent.

 

[pwnest injun]

Yall Manchin owns a literal yacht and can do insider trading on his own. You cant bribe already rich people with money. Theyre not all exceedingly greedy.

After your comfort is accounted for, money is just a means to power. Manchin wouldn't sacrifice the sort of power he has for money. They would have to offer him riches.

 

[Billy Beer]

Could it be safely done at some distance from the earth? Say a week or more time of normal flight?

Interesting question. If the radioactive fallout happens outside of the atmosphere/stratosphere or whatever, then yeah I don't see why not. I suppose you could set up on the moon and blast-off from there.

 

[LurkTrawl]

You can blame Manchin for this, but for good reasons. A large part of his stated opposition to the bill is the massive tax hikes that would be required to be levied on all Americans, during a recession possibly soon to be depression. It made him balk hard. This is an attempt to get around that massive opposition that's going to burn even more support for it away.

Manchin flat refuses to sign off on that. They cannot even bother trying,

Nice to see that at least one fucking member of the DNC hasn't completely lost their damn mind and all common sense with it.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Funny how this thread about Biden has devolved into fantasyland bullshit about Trump rising from the ashes and vanquishing his “enemies” and how “Big Tech” is going to totally make a deal with Trump and all this other “Trust The Plan” style bullshit. C’mon, man.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Was catching up on the thread - Section 230 isn't and has never been the primary problem.

The problem is that banks and payment processors can deny someone business for non-criminal, political reasons. That needs to be fixed before any idea of fucking around with 230 is even considered.
Edit to avoid doublepost:

Funny how this thread about Biden has devolved into fantasyland bullshit about Trump rising from the ashes and vanquishing his “enemies” and how “Big Tech” is going to totally make a deal with Trump and all this other “Trust The Plan” style bullshit. C’mon, man.

I don't get how speculating on what might happen in the future during the wee hours of the morning when nothing is currently going on is "devolving into fantasyland bullshit" but you do you I guess.

 

[soy_king]

The system doesn't work like that. You cannot simply slide a big fat envelope of money over with a smile and say "Vote how you should". Lobbying doesn't work that way either.

Nothing you are saying works like that, this is not a Hollywood movie.

Addendum: Also, the phrase "greased palms" -literally- refers to bribes. So yes you did,

Okay then, explain how the system works for all of us dumb people.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Okay then, explain how the system works for all of us dumb people.

You see, there's this thing called the great material continuum...

 

[soy_king]

You see, there's this thing called the great material continuum...

Does it involve Cuties?

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Was catching up on the thread - Section 230 isn't and has never been the primary problem.

The problem is that banks and payment processors can deny someone business for non-criminal, political reasons. That needs to be fixed before any idea of fucking around with 230 is even considered.
Edit to avoid doublepost:

I don't get how speculating on what might happen in the future during the wee hours of the morning when nothing is currently going on is "devolving into fantasyland bullshit" but you do you I guess.

Trump triumphant bringing Big Tech to heel is a fantasy. Gehenna is starting to sound a bit like Q.

 

[Gehenna]

Okay then, explain how the system works for all of us dumb people.

I was going to write up a big thing, but frankly, I don't know where to begin on the many ways you have this wrong. Start by reading https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/what-lobbyists-can-and-cant-do/ which details a lot of what you -can't- do as a lobbyist. Whatever your definition of 'greasing palms' is, is definitely included.

Trump triumphant bringing Big Tech to heel is a fantasy. Gehenna is starting to sound a bit like Q.

Who the fuck said Trump would bring them to heel? I said -they- would try to strike a deal with -him-. You have that entirely backwards.