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N Korea slams US for supporting Taiwan in nod to ally China​

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FILE - In this Aug. 27, 2021, file photo provided by U.S. Coast Guard, Legend-class U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter Munro (WMSL 755) transits the Taiwan Strait during a routine transit with Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG 100).  North Korea on Saturday, Oct. 23, accused the Biden administration of raising military tensions with China with its “reckless” backing of Taiwan and claimed that the growing U.S. military presence in the region poses a potential threat to the North.(U.S. Coast Guard via AP, File)

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea on Saturday accused the Biden administration of raising military tensions with China through its “reckless” backing of Taiwan, and said that the growing U.S. military presence in the region constitutes a potential threat to the North.
In comments carried by state media, North Korea Vice Foreign Minister Pak Myong Ho criticized the United States for sending warships through the Taiwan Strait and providing Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China claims as part of its territory, with upgraded weapons systems and military training.
The United States’ “indiscreet meddling” in issues regarding Taiwan, which the North sees as entirely a Chinese internal affair, threatens to touch off a “delicate situation on the Korean Peninsula.”
Pak’s statement came a day after President Joe Biden told a CNN townhall event that the United States was committed to coming to Taiwan’s defense if it comes under attack from China. While that seemed to blur Washington’s long-held stance of maintaining “strategic ambiguity” on whether it would intervene if China were to attack Taiwan, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Biden had no intent to convey a change in policy.

China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949, and although it maintains formal diplomatic relations only with Beijing, the U.S. remains committed by law to ensure Taiwan can defend itself from outside threats.

North Korea has increasingly criticized the broader U.S. security role in the Indo-Pacific amid an intensifying competition with China, Pyongyang’s major ally and economic lifeline. Last month, the North threatened unspecified countermeasures following the Biden administration’s decision to provide nuclear-powered submarines to Australia.

“It is a well-known fact that the U.S. troops and its military bases in (South Korea) are in use to put pressure on China and that the huge forces of the U.S. and its satellite states, which are being concentrated near Taiwan, can be committed to a military operation targeting the DPRK at any time,” Pak said, using an abbreviation of the North’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

He said the increasing military presence of U.S.-led “hostile forces” in the region was based on a “lame assertion” that North Korea and China would cause trouble in Taiwan and the Korean Peninsula.

“This reality proves that the U.S. is in its bid to stifle our country and China, both socialist countries, in order to hold on to its supremacy,” Pak said.

Nuclear negotiations between Washington and Pyongyang have stalled for more than two years over the issue of relaxing crippling U.S.-led sanctions against North Korea in return for steps by the North to wind down its nuclear weapons program.

Pyongyang sees the possession of nuclear weapons as the ultimate guarantor of the survival of the Kim dynasty that has run the country with an iron fist since the 1940s.

Ending a monthslong lull in September, North Korea has been ramping up its missile tests while making conditional peace offers to Seoul, reviving a pattern of pressuring South Korea to try to get what it wants from the United States.

Sung Kim, Biden’s special envoy for North Korea, arrived in South Korea on Saturday for talks with allies on reviving negotiations with the North. Kim told reporters he expected “productive” discussions with South Korean officials during their meeting on Sunday, before leaving the airport without taking further questions.

The Biden administration’s pullout from Afghanistan underscored a broader shift in U.S. focus away from counterterrorism and so-called rogue states like North Korea and Iran. That is putting the focus on confronting a near-peer adversary in China, and part of that apparent strategy appear to be offering the North a resumption of talks without preconditions.

But the North has so far rejected the idea of open-ended talks, saying that Washington must abandon its “hostile policy,” a term North Korea mainly refers to sanctions and U.S.-South Korea joint military exercises.
 
Reminder that the North Koreans, in their fumbling around to create working nukes, got a fizzle with a gun-type triggering device. You know, the absolute simplest system out there, so simple despite the US using it constantly we didn't get a similar failure to detonate until the 1950's. Their missiles have been of dubious quality, and as for anything submarine launched one of their subs lost to a fishing boat. As for trains... how many tunnels does the NK rail system go through? Seems like a liability there since they have both highly predictable travel patterns and they're at risk of cave-ins either trapping them or cutting off their movement routes.
 
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That's a key issue. Any action would need to first be conducted after somehow convincing China to let NK go. I don't know which they value more, Taiwan or NK, but even if Taiwan is less important there's probably other considerations we could throw into the pot to sweeten the deal.

Aside from letting them take Taiwan, we could turn a blind eye to the China/India border dispute. Also, Biden's nominee for China ambassador is (surprisingly) talking tough ("genocide in Xinjiang and abuses in Tibet must stop"). Surely they'd like us to butt out of all that, and I'm sure there's some trade dealings we could work out more in their favor, etc.

Basically we could do a lot to hopefully get China off of NK's dick.

My point is that what China knows NK probably knows. There's no way they haven't been trading nuclear secrets.
 
why tf does China like the Norks so much

what do they produce other than global autism
 
My point is that what China knows NK probably knows. There's no way they haven't been trading nuclear secrets.
I think that's a given, but actually building them and using them is another matter. How many top scientists are there in that dungheap prison nation? What kind of resources do they really have?

I'm sure we keep a close eye on the dealings of China and North Korea. I doubt there's any surprises. Their capabilities are probably pretty low for now, but maybe I'm underestimating them.
 
That's a key issue. Any action would need to first be conducted after somehow convincing China to let NK go. I don't know which they value more, Taiwan or NK, but even if Taiwan is less important there's probably other considerations we could throw into the pot to sweeten the deal.

Aside from letting them take Taiwan, we could turn a blind eye to the China/India border dispute. Also, Biden's nominee for China ambassador is (surprisingly) talking tough ("genocide in Xinjiang and abuses in Tibet must stop"). Surely they'd like us to butt out of all that, and I'm sure there's some trade dealings we could work out more in their favor, etc.

Basically we could do a lot to hopefully get China off of NK's dick.

So your solution to NKs basless threats of nuclear war are to give up 20+mil people to the chinks, not to mention basically killing the US' moral authority and any credibility on the world stage for basically all time, while also allowing China free hand to start shit with another nuclear armed country? Are you legitimately retarded or something?

why tf does China like the Norks so much
Because they provide a useful buffer against the Yanks. A unified Korean peninsula under the less friendly South would pose a hell of a danger as a forward operating base for US/NATO troops in future potential conflicts..
 
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What about all of the innocent North Koreans?



Not to mention a border to stop a land invasion from Russia, as well as a go between for China and Russia when it comes to trade etc.
Innocent Americans > Innocent North Koreans, I'm afraid. Wouldn't be the first time we vaporized slant eyed enemies along with their innocents. Probably won't be the last.
 
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So your solution to NKs basless threats of nuclear war are to give up 20+mil people to the chinks, not to mention basically killing the US' moral authority and any credibility on the world stage for basically all time, while also allowing China free hand to start shit with another nuclear armed country? Are you legitimately exceptional or something?
Baseless threats? We're talking nukes here, retard. There are no baseless threats in this context.
 
At best you're starting a nuclear war, creating an unprecedented humanitarian crisis as millions of starving North Koreans flood over the border to Seoul, and giving up an Asian democracy to the CCP. I trust North Korea with nukes more than I do Pakistan, Kim Jong Un's sole motivating force is his own continued survival.

The problem is if he's serious about entering WW3 on China's side should China invade Taiwan.
Perhaps a more reasonable alternative would be if Taiwan agreed to give up Kinmen and Matsu, the only non-Taiwanese parts of China under their control. I know of Chinese nationalists who would be willing to accept Taiwanese independence in that circumstance.
 
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Baseless threats? We're talking nukes here, exceptional individual. There are no baseless threats in this context.
They're baseless because NK has neither the political will to launch them nor the technological capability to realistically threaten the US even if they did.

North Korea has nukes for two reasons
1)To stop the yanks arbitrarily overthrowing their rule just like they've done to so many other hostile regimes
2)As a baraganing chip for when things get bad enough they need concessions from the west to ease domestic tension

Perhaps a more reasonable alternative would be if Taiwan agreed to give up Kinmen and Matsu, the only non-Taiwanese parts of China under their control. I know of Chinese nationalists who would be willing to accept Taiwanese independence in that circumstance.
Ah yes giving up territory to hostile powers to buy peace, a notoriously effective strategy....
 
Ah yes giving up territory to hostile powers to buy peace, a notoriously effective strategy....
Taiwan's only real strength is its geographically defensible position, a Chinese naval invasion of the island itself would be difficult. In contrast, Hong Kong and Macau have no real geographic defence from an invasion from the mainland, which was why Deng had Thatcher over a barrel in the negotiations on Hong Kong's future. Kinmen and Matsu are both in a position more similar to Hong Kong in being accessible from the mainland, and continued Taiwanese control over these islands only exacerbates tensions.
 
Norks should be caring more about their starving slaves citizens than Taiwan and the U.S
 
Taiwanese control over these islands only exacerbates tensions.
Conceding to any of China's bullshit demands will merely embolden them to continue with their shite. Anyone who isn't a drooling retard realises that China, who is making spurious claims on everything in reach, is not simply going to stop because we give something to them, and is in fact only gonna get worse, exactly like Germany did in the 1930s.

Norks should be caring more about their starving slaves citizens than Taiwan and the U.S
They do, which is why he is buddying up to China here since they're the people literally propping their meme country up at this point.
 
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Conceding to any of China's bullshit demands will merely embolden them to continue with their shite. Anyone who isn't a drooling exceptional individual realises that China, who is making spurious claims on everything in reach, is not simply going to stop because we give something to them, and is in fact only gonna get worse, exactly like Germany did in the 1930s.
You're kind of ignoring the fact that China does kinda have a legitimate claim to Taiwan. You're familiar with the history of China and Taiwan, right? Taiwan's government is technically still the former Chinese government in-exile, which would make Taiwan a rump state rather than an independent nation in its own right. Taiwan's official name is still the "Republic of China". I'm not saying you have to agree with China's perspective on the issue (I don't), but you have to at the very least understand it if you want to speak on the issue in a productive way. Knowing the history also makes the analogy to Germany spurious, China doesn't want Taiwan out of some desire for lebensraum.
 
You're kind of ignoring the fact that China does kinda have a legitimate claim to Taiwan. You're familiar with the history of China and Taiwan, right? Taiwan's government is technically still the former Chinese government in-exile, which would make Taiwan a rump state rather than an independent nation in its own right. Taiwan's official name is still the "Republic of China". I'm not saying you have to agree with China's perspective on the issue (I don't), but you have to at the very least understand it if you want to speak on the issue in a productive way. Knowing the history also makes the analogy to Germany spurious, China doesn't want Taiwan out of some desire for lebensraum.
Yes I am aware of the history the history of China and Taiwan, and I do understand why China acts the way it does (at least in terms of it's policies to Taiwan).

Knowing the history also makes the analogy to Germany spurious, China doesn't want Taiwan out of some desire for lebensraum.

True, but it's policies aimed at claiming basically everything in the South China Sea are. My point wasn't even necessarily about the reasons for the claim or even how legitimate they are, merely that acquiescing to them on Taiwan (especially as part of a horseshite poltical trade as was originally suggested), can only embolden them to continue to press their further claims, just like how allowing Anschluss and the Munich Agreement emboldened Hitler to continue with his other demands.
 
Would the US win in a nuclear duke out with Best Korea? Yes.

Would it emerge unscathed? Propably not.

Also nobody outside western europe considers US and morality in the same sentence as any more than a joke.
It is just that the US is the fattest thug on the playgrounds, but slanty wants to be Numbah Wan. But it is just a thug obeyed out of fear, not a celebrated hero obeyed out of respect or love.
 
Yes I am aware of the history the history of China and Taiwan, and I do understand why China acts the way it does (at least in terms of it's policies to Taiwan).



True, but it's policies aimed at claiming basically everything in the South China Sea are. My point wasn't even necessarily about the reasons for the claim or even how legitimate they are, merely that acquiescing to them on Taiwan (especially as part of a horseshite poltical trade as was originally suggested), can only embolden them to continue to press their further claims, just like how allowing Anschluss and the Munich Agreement emboldened Hitler to continue with his other demands.
This. Give an inch and they'll take a mile, as the saying goes.
 
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