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Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.
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I don't want to come off as an autistic pedant but can we please cut down on double/triple/multiple-posting? Not trying to single out any one person, because I've noticed a few people do it. If you want to reply to multiple quotes/posts, hit the "+quote" button, and when typing up your post, hit "insert quotes" at the bottom of the text box. It'll make the thread a bit cleaner and easier to read.
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Excerpt from the audiobook version of Linday Ellis' new novel. It's either Olly attempting to do an American accent or the other male that does some parts of the audiobook. I have no clue what the other guy sounds like so I genuinely can't tell who it is, but it sounds weird as hell either way. Looking at reviews I think it might be the other guy, who apparently ruined the audiobook for some people. If it's him then I can see why. Funny that the excerpt chosen wasn't Olly's troon voice, what a surprise.
ETA- Apparently Olly isn't in it much
ETA- Apparently Olly isn't in it much
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I think it's definitely just him trying to do an American accent. Apparently when they teach British people to do American accents, they're taught to do one that sounds American to the British ear but ends up sounding slightly off to the American one. Maybe this is an example of that.
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British actors can do American accents better than Americans can do British on average, but it's purely down to the fact most British TV is American shows so there's infinitely more exposure. This, however, means most of the actors will do "TV American". That's probably why it's so weird. It's him doing his best impression of American's on TV so it's more an "American Voice" rather than an actual American accent. Olly is lazy and shit at acting so it makes sense for it to feel off.
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The other guy is Lindsay's podcast cohost Kaveh Taherian. He generally sounds like a SoCal pompous twat but American flavor vs Olly's "an attempt was made" American accent. They've been friends since film school at USC.
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Open up the "all samples" menu and listen to Dramatic American. Did this even sound okay to him?
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nah that ain’t Tube.
that’s the other guy.
regarding Brits doing american accents- the only one i’ve really noticed was how terrible Hugh Lauries accent on House was, and people seemed to if not lap it up, then just never mention it being bad, anyway.
i thought it was awfully bad.
photo of an orange admitted to having an exceptional time, which was, though belated, gracious.
( i think there’s a lot of double posting going on, because the add-quote button is pretty much not working most of the time, on my phone and laptop browsers anyway)
Just watched the food/pie livestream someone posted last page, just made me sad and hungry.
does tube just drink a bottle of wine, then get cracking on with the stream? one way adulation, being able to pick and chose who he replies to and knowing that everyone is already out to lick his arse? does he not have mates to have this sort of banter with?
do the people who watch it not have mates for the same purpose?
i can imagine people at home wanting to connect with someone they are a fan of like so, but what he’s getting out of it is considerably sadder.
I’m sure he said once that he doesn’t really have friends. strange way to be.
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He will never be a woman but he sure is a faggot.
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omg that's brutal
the vowels are all off and held too long -- particularly grating in "know" and "white"
American Commercial is just as bad - sounds like he said "the freedom to calm and go" not come and go
he's just proud he can say our hard Rs and emphasizes that very obviously
sounds like emma fucking watson, one of the worst american accents.... can't believe she was ever cast to play an american role stupid bitch
now i understand the fake geordie anger. fake american! stick to your own continent!
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He does this so often. One of his delusional fans pours their heart out, or asks him a sincere, thought-out question, and he responds with some “zinger” (that falls flat) and totally disregards the effort that the questioner went to.
I imagine poor “stkbayfield” was all excited to see their question chosen, only to see it totally trivialized. FYI Olly’s response is a tiny two second voice clip of a deep voice saying “time to destroy the British people.”
I would just think his fans would be put off by it. “Abigail” tries to come off on the show (obviously) as a thoughtful, empathic philosopher. But of course boorish, crude, attention-deficit Olly is at the helm in real life so you get snark, objectification, (“feel free to remove your clothes now”) and mania instead. I used to watch Prof Corey Anton here and there on YouTube who would also address philosophical topics. He always seemed to take questions from his audience seriously and sincerely. I know it’s just one exchange but as I said I see Olly do this all the time. These pathetic paypigs are pouring cash all over him and his engagement with them (besides on the show itself) is brags about Django and crude eye roll-inducing double entendres.
If any of Olly’s fans are reading this:
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I'm 100% sure it's just him doing a a voice, there's no way it isn't. If it is actually someone else then I'm surprised by how much he sounds exactly like PT doing a voice
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Olly doesn't have the charm nor fame to be able to pull off responding to questions with "witty" half-assed retorts without looking like a jackass. Look, when part of your brand, and how your channel is marketed, is education (and philosophy education, at that) as PT claims, then part of that is going to be responding to questions like this. Olly might shy from claiming to be a "public intellectual" but he's absolutely branding himself that way to his followers. My point is a brand based on education like this isn't sustainable without thoughtful engagement with your sincere audience. I think Olly has really struggled maintaining the educational/"intellectual" side of his brand while reconciling it with all the showy "it's the Olly show!" shit. Not to give too much credit, but Contra leaned into the decadent, overeducated aristocrat persona and for all its faults, it works. You can look at those videos and still easily recognize and remember what Contra's going for, even if you're not into it. Olly feels like he's been grasping for years trying to do something similar.
PT's response just kind of illustrates how insincere the "Trans Princess of TERF Island" bit is. A fan (who could be a Patreon supporter or potential Patreon supporter, I might add) asks a sincere question about something that PT rants about all the time and he responds with a dismissive "joke," whereas someone who at least practices what they preach would take the opportunity to give a thoughtful response because, in theory, it makes sense that PT would enjoy getting a question like this. Shit, just list some books or articles in favor of your point if you're not in the mood to answer, at the very least. If PT really believed this was a real issue and took himself seriously as a representative of trans people (which he basically declared in the coming out video), then shouldn't he consider a response like this kind of shitty?
But it's not about being an activist, educator, queer icon or whatever. He doesn't want to be those things, he wants to be an actor and he wants a following that will sniff his farts and thank him for the opportunity. I have a feeling a lot of PT's audience is younger and female, at least the ones who submit questions and try to engage with him like this, but as they get older and wiser, and PT keeps pumping under-researched, poorly presented content, they'll start to see through it or just get bored.
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This, combined with the Chapelle fallout and the outrage over Atwood, these troons are really cranking up their 'this never happens' mantra.
Yes, the BBC posts stupid shit sometimes. Ever read their climate change and immigration articles? Full of bullshit. But no one rages half as much as troons do. So they're mad about 80 women being surveyed, yet are fine re-posting a survey of only 1,000 or so women arguing that women are perfectly fine with men in their restrooms. They're fine with a Williams Institute paper with only 23 trans people that argues we must transition children or else they'll die.
People misuse statistics all the time. Troons are only anal about this because it pops their blood boil bubble. We have the entire subreddit boards of r/lesbians and r/actuallesbians and r/badwomensanatomy of males taking over and demanding women stop talking about their issues.
As for Jo over there, this same BBC covered up the Jimmy Saville crimes and the migrant rape waves back in 2015 onwards, as well as the grooming gang scandals. They used the same rhetoric too: we can't talk about these things because it makes a group look bad.
They were also bitching about LGB Alliance today, too. Quote tweets of 'LGB Alliance is a hate group'. Another sign that, after gay marriage was granted, all these troons took over. You have to admire how, in under five years, the troons have achieved far more than the LGB has in over fifty years of activism.
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No, not talking about "Thai ladyboys" or whatever symbolism you mean by that. There's a whole discussion on that, but it's not a Kiwi Farms discussion.
Only for context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
I do agree that a true gender self-assessment could never work for Olly or most of the Western Trans population, but not for the dumb and blinded reasons you cite. I've been personally harassed by hijras on a Mumbai train, and it's not fun, it was literally a #metoo moment. But that's just moreso the high relief cartoon of the situation rather than how most people in that situation around the world live. So talking about them, or the cartoons of Thai ladyboys...it's not why Olly and his ilk are awful. It's just a lazy way to explain why Olly is so awful.
The reason Western trans folks will never actually follow the good anti-colonialist example of Eastern third-gender folks is because they are colonists themselves. They are gender colonists. They want to take over another gender, not create a new one. Olly is a gender colonist, and himself a gender genocidist. He knows he is not a British woman, he knows he is not an English duchess. But he appropriates the behaviors, the clothes, and the voice of an English woman...and wants the rewards.
And that is the whole problem, and it's a problem he himself identifies in others (is that why he's so skilled in performing the problem for his own benefit?).
Olly has pretenses as a Messiah of transfolks, and for women. And he has arrogance as an actor. All Olly really has, though, is a blunt tool edge as an "okay" character actor, and a good understanding of how to fleece an audience as a vaudevillian showman. He is not a woman. He is not even really pretending to be, he's only pretending to pretend to be a woman. It's working, and it's profitiable.
I say it's a colonizers' attitude toward gender, and I say it's a very Western idea of binary gender, that Olly is profiting off of. It's sick.
This gets Olly's behavior and psychology 100% correct.
I am not sure who Olly's audience is, I can't really figure that out.
If that's Olly I'll give him credit for a very good audiobook American accent voice. It doesn't sound like him for me. I don't think it's him.
The writing itself, whoever it is...is awful. I thought Ellis might actually be a good writer (for apparently very stupid reasons, it turns out).
This is terrible writing on all levels. It's just some weird stumbling polemic, halfway between a bad poem and an incoherent speech.
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Fuck man, you know you can use the edit button to not doublepost. Lmao symbolism? I was asking a serious question because I did think you meant that concept of a third gender. But that's not 'Eastern' - not even in a geographical sense according to the page you linked yourself. Your post came across like 'Eastern' cultures are somehow more peaceful on matters of troonery and my point was that is some wishful thinking. People being sick degenerates isn't innate to just one culture, pervertedness is global. I don't know what part of my post you're calling 'dumb and blinded' but damn you are getting spergy in here, not to mention you read my post wrong, I never drew any points between ladyboys and Olly's behaviour.
By the way the West has created new genders and it's disastrous, those are all the nonbinary obnoxious snowflake faggots that are the face of Twitter.
edit: uh maybe you should stop, "Olly is a gender colonist" sounds a lot like "Olly is trans geordie" again
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I didn't double post, I don't think?
You're just ignoring everything I said with the rest of your comment, and it won't be too useful for me to respond except in a limited sense:
It's not a hidden fact that in many non-Western cultures biological men and women are given passage into "third" genders, an identity where there is no invasion into biological sex or biological sex terminology -- no transwomen who pretend they are actual birth-giving women, etc. -- and there is only a mutually beneficial gender diversion into people who don't identify as either man or woman, and have some other role.
That seems pretty healthy to me!
And that healthy "third" gender option seems antithetical to whatever it is Olly is doing...which seems very unhealthy to me. Olly is literally demanding to be a woman in a binary man/woman environment -- any shrugs he gives to non-binary or "third" gender folks is self-serving. He is Mrs. Doubtfiring all the way to the bank.
Look, I know I can get "spergy" at times! Believe me, I know!
In this case I think you're just ignorant, and lashing out. There are roads Olly could've taken to avoid being a gender colonist. He did not take them.
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STFU. We are here to make fun of Olly. We don’t care about western vs. eastern troons and all this theoretical shit. Take it elsewhere.
One little aside would be one thing but you are going on and on.
And no you didn’t double post, you triple posted.
One little aside would be one thing but you are going on and on.
And no you didn’t double post, you triple posted.
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Yes, because I'm not engaging in the colony-gender fanfiction you're writing. You must've thought I was talking about Olly when I said 'creeper fucker in a dress', well, I wasn't.
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Wait, why not? He's the creepiest of all fuckers whose ever worn a dress.