Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Meriasek]

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There's been a noticeable change in media messaging in the past few weeks with a move away from discussion of booster to 3rd doses in the vaccination schedule.

COVID-19 Boosters and Third Doses | Coronavirus

COVID-19 Boosters and Third DosesBoosters vs. Third Doses A third dose is for people who are moderately or severely immune-compromised; their original immune response from the first 2 doses may not have been strong enough, so a third dose is recommended as part of their primary vaccine series. T ...

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So what's the difference? Well it seems that the third dose will be given to targeted groups, mainly the old but also cancer patients and the like. This is NOT counted as a booster, it's a third dose of the vaccination. The booster will then be given to the same people on top of the third dose. So they'll have their 1st and 2nd doses, then third dose 28 days after the second dose, and then their booster. When do they get the booster? We don't know yet. Some of the oldies here got their 2 jabs 8-9 months ago, they're now going to get their 3rd dose of vaccination and I suspect they're not going to be kept waiting 6 months for the booster. So less than a year in and we're already jabbing people 4 times.

The MSM and politicians have been using the term 3rd dose and booster interchangeably as if they're one and the same when they're not. I'm sure this is deliberate. Already I'm seeing messaging referring to the booster doses for non oldies being called the 3rd dose. I'm thinking they're going to be rolling out mandatory 3rd doses pretty soon and then boosters for everyone.

Fitting, I just saw some guy on Twatter being all "The Covid vaccination was two-shot, but for the Delta-variant it's three-shot".
The guy's some sort of crisis manager though, so his opinion can be discarded.

 

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This thread got me to buy a whole bunch of supplements, and, I gotta say, I genuinely have never felt better & I haven't gotten ill a single time in the past year. Normally I'd be ill a couple or a few times a year. Maybe this is because I'm out less vs before, but it's not like I'm a complete recluse. I am also eating a lot more healthily so could be that too, but I think it all goes hand in hand. I care a lot more about what I eat now as a result.

Spoiler: My supplement regimen, if anyone cares

AM
Calcium - 800mg
Vitamin D - 2000IU (1000IU should be sufficient)
NAC - 1200mg
ALCAR - 500mg
Vitamin B12 - 500μg

I also eat 80g of blueberries, but I do this a couple of hours after taking the supplements, to stop the calcium I'm taking from inhibiting absorption of the magnesium in the blueberries.

PM
Melatonin - 0.5mg
ALCAR - 500mg
NAC - 1200mg (I actually take this around 5pm, because I think it wears off sooner than 12hrs for me)
Magnesium glycinate - 1500mg which yields 300mg magnesium. Do not buy magnesium oxide, it's practically worthless.
Zinc - 12mg
Vitamin B6 - 2mg

Also, this whole situation can get stressful af at points, so if I'm feeling overly anxious, 80mg of lavender (in a gel capsule) works amazingly.

But if you're only going to take one thing, take vitamin D.

Highly recommending www.examine.com again for info on supplements, fantastic resource.

Where did you find NAC nowadays? They're trying to outlaw it or somesuch. (Can't wait till they try and outlaw Asprin.)

 

[Cycleye]

Good to see more info posted about the 3rd dose/booster thing upthread. Thank you. Now i know the oldies in my camp are not going potty.
It is like clownworld has had an update to clownworld+ v2.0 and even beleivers are now walking through town dragging a massive wooden question mark. I have noticed a very slight shift, recently, with some of my family/friends/contacts, over my stance on not being experimented on.
Gone is the instant dismissive hand waiving and being labeled as the anti-christ, when i say what i have to say when the vax is brought up. Instead of instant arguing and name calling i just get a big old "humpf!" and a "tutt", or two. Very different to earlier this year. I think It is starting to sink in amongst more of those who doubted , but felt enormous pressure to get jabbed and went against instinct/gut feelings. Trust is waning fast. One thing that does get tacked onto vax talk is all of these science talking heads come from the same group of people that harbour clowns saying men can be women, and women are now "people with a cervix". Science has lost alot of cred in the last year, or so. A serious amount.
One thing i have seen alot of and am hearing about is random violent attacks on people and more punch ups, in general. I honestly think alot of the UK is right on the fucking edge of doing flips, or flipping others.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Where did you find NAC nowadays? They're trying to outlaw it or somesuch. (Can't wait till they try and outlaw Asprin.)

I'm from the UK and just got it from Amazon.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

I keep seeing articles pop up about this "super cold." They are every bit as infuriating as I expected.

People's immune systems are fucked after #StayingTheFuckHome for the past 18 months, I reckon. Also, none of these articles mention the efficacy of masking up. So masks can stop something like COVID, which is the most deadly and contagious virus known to human history (tm) ... But they can't stop a cold or a flu (which are also types of coronaviruses)? Am I getting this right, propagandist corporate media? lol.

This "super cold" is either the result of our immune systems being weakened over the past year and a half ... Or this might be the media and Big Pharma trying to take control over the narrative and blaming this super cold before people start to think that the jabs are worth jack shit?

I don't fucking know what to think anymore. The 2020's have made me lose all faith I had left in the media, in science, in medicine, etc ... These industries cry about "misinformation" when they are essentially the patron saints of gaslighting the populace. It's insane.

This may be a PL, but

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"I've had that "worst cold ever" (it's more like bronchitis) for a FULL MONTH now and assumed that yeah, it was a weakened immune system (despite taking Vitamin D, zinc, and all the rest) from (1) all of our lockdowns and (2) being banned from going pretty much anywhere thanks to the "pass sanitaire.""]

 

[CashMoney!]

My partner's family are trying to bully me into being vaccinated before I fly south to their place for Christmas. It is not a requirement to travel domestically within New Zealand where I live. Apparently if I choose to not get it then I have to "talk it over" with his mother who is a nurse to justify my decision and his grandmother who paid for my plane ticket. It is important so I don't "accidentally spread covid to an untouched part of the country".

This shit is still in the third stage of trialing and I'm not comfortable with this kind of pressure to make a private medical decision on the incorrect basis that it stops the spread because it doesn't.

I'm considering just lying because I don't want to get into this with his family. "No" isn't an answer for them and it would create a massive divide as well as affect the dynamic between his family and I. My partner has already talked down to me a lot when I've displayed hesitancy.

I have nobody else to discuss this with at present so I guess I'm just leaving this here as documentation that social pressure for this is huge and I think it's wrong.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

How can they pretend this "booster" or "third dose" (which is now different? In the US this is interchangeable) is meant to contend with variants when it's literally just more of the same stuff as the first and second doses?

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

I'm beginning to lose my mind at this point. French media is reporting both that the government wants to extend this passport bullshit until the end of next JULY, the Senate is proposing no more extensions after February 15. The pressure just feels like it's ratcheting up, up, up--like this will never fucking end. It is only human (well, for most) to want to participate in society, to leave the fucking house, to meet friends for a drink, to see people's faces, right?

Still not capitulating.

Explained: What do France's proposed new health pass rules mean for tourists

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www.lonelyplanet.com

 

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How can they pretend this "booster" or "third dose" (which is now different? In the US this is interchangeable) is meant to contend with variants when it's literally just more of the same stuff as the first and second doses?

IS it just more of the same?

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Yes! They've had no different dosing or medication given even temporary, conditional approval. So far as I know, there haven't even been late-stage tests of new formulas. It's just the same old shit.

 

[Mhallachd]

My partner's family are trying to bully me into being vaccinated before I fly south to their place for Christmas. It is not a requirement to travel domestically within New Zealand where I live. Apparently if I choose to not get it then I have to "talk it over" with his mother who is a nurse to justify my decision and his grandmother who paid for my plane ticket. It is important so I don't "accidentally spread covid to an untouched part of the country".

This shit is still in the third stage of trialing and I'm not comfortable with this kind of pressure to make a private medical decision on the incorrect basis that it stops the spread because it doesn't.

I'm considering just lying because I don't want to get into this with his family. "No" isn't an answer for them and it would create a massive divide as well as affect the dynamic between his family and I. My partner has already talked down to me a lot when I've displayed hesitancy.

I have nobody else to discuss this with at present so I guess I'm just leaving this here as documentation that social pressure for this is huge and I think it's wrong.

Shows you how hopeless NZ is when half of the people in this thread (including me) are from this hellhole.

I think your best bet may be to just lie but having a partner that is disappointed in you will complicate things and she may let it slip. People won't listen, they have to come out of the trance on their own.

At first I was being honest with my grandparents when they kept asking if I had been vaxxed but after a few "I thought you were sensible!" arguments I am just pretending I am a good little transhuman.

Fuck this post humanist data driven technocratic world. I'm tired of us being right and nobody listening to us and everything happening exactly how we knew it would and wished it wouldn't. Look after yourselves out there.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

My partner's family are trying to bully me into being vaccinated before I fly south to their place for Christmas. It is not a requirement to travel domestically within New Zealand where I live. Apparently if I choose to not get it then I have to "talk it over" with his mother who is a nurse to justify my decision and his grandmother who paid for my plane ticket. It is important so I don't "accidentally spread covid to an untouched part of the country".

This shit is still in the third stage of trialing and I'm not comfortable with this kind of pressure to make a private medical decision on the incorrect basis that it stops the spread because it doesn't.

I'm considering just lying because I don't want to get into this with his family. "No" isn't an answer for them and it would create a massive divide as well as affect the dynamic between his family and I. My partner has already talked down to me a lot when I've displayed hesitancy.

I have nobody else to discuss this with at present so I guess I'm just leaving this here as documentation that social pressure for this is huge and I think it's wrong.

My in-laws uninvited my husband and I to Thanksgiving for not being jabbed. And, apparently, some of my (now) ex-friends have been talking trash behind my back, too.

This entire plandemic has turned so many people into sanctimonious assholes. The funny part is that these assholes claim to "care" and claim to be "empaths" all the while they demonize people who don't fall in line with them 100%. Some of the people in my life have basically turned their love and affection into something that is very conditional, and it doesn't feel good at all. Not to PL too much, but some of my doctors have told me to my face that I shouldn't get the jab right now ... And despite me telling people that, these people are still treating my husband and I pretty horribly. So ~*empathetic*~ of them, am I right?

Anyway, I'm sorry that your partner's family is treating you like this. It's not fair and it's dehumanizing to say the least. There's unfortunately a lot of people in similar situations right now, and it's so, so wrong.

 

[Meriasek]

Huh. Maybe it's because now I'm keeping an eye out for it, but a german newspaper posted another article on how "Broken Heart Syndrome" is on the rise, especially affecting women, and leading to symptoms very similar to a heart attack, and potentially killing the person. Stress is the killer here.
Remember those graphs showing how often MSM articles used "Occupy Wallstreet" and "Systemic Racism" and so on? I wonder wether we'll see a significant uptick of articles mentioning stress-related heart problems and Broken Heart Syndrome and young people always being at war with Eurasia keeling over dead while jogging.

 

[CashMoney!]

Just wanted to clarify that Pfizer is still in its third trial phase and by accepting the injection I am participating in a medical trial with zero financial compensation or ability to sue for damages if I experience adverse side effects.

 

[Cycleye]

My in-laws uninvited my husband and I to Thanksgiving for not being jabbed. And, apparently, some of my (now) ex-friends have been talking trash behind my back, too.

This entire plandemic has turned so many people into sanctimonious assholes. The funny part is that these assholes claim to "care" and claim to be "empaths" all the while they demonize people who don't fall in line with them 100%. Some of the people in my life have basically turned their love and affection into something that is very conditional, and it doesn't feel good at all. Not to PL too much, but some of my doctors have told me to my face that I shouldn't get the jab right now ... And despite me telling people that, these people are still treating my husband and I pretty horribly. So ~*empathetic*~ of them, am I right?

Anyway, I'm sorry that your partner's family is treating you like this. It's not fair and it's dehumanizing to say the least. There's unfortunately a lot of people in similar situations right now, and it's so, so wrong.

What a sad state of affairs. Without a daily bombardment of fear and doom and it being turned into a massive earner for some people we would all be getting on just fine. I bet that these people who are turning their backs on friends and family had no thoughts or cares as to how many people died of this and that, before covid, and now they are lapping up the bullshit graphs and numbers. Sadly; they have had their minds so bent out of shape that they STILL do not compare covid numbers and outcomes, to the other things that kill/injure us even though a whole new world of info has been made available to them.
I had a discussion recently with someone who is quite practical, switched on and clever and we were looking at some pie charts and stuff and even though it was fucking obvious that covid is minor, compared to other shit, he was all "yes, but covid blah blah" like a stuck record. At the beginning of all of this he was completely normal and his reasoning was spot on, but now he is a compliant brainwashed fuckwit.

Maybe one day some of them will see sense and say sorry for being shit, but I fear many have been completely re-programmed. It is very sad and very scary. More so than the actual bloody virus.

 

[borsabil]

How can they pretend this "booster" or "third dose" (which is now different? In the US this is interchangeable) is meant to contend with variants when it's literally just more of the same stuff as the first and second doses?

It's meant to "top up your immunity". They're comparing it the the Hep B vaccine, which is cute but it's nothing like the Hep B vaccine.

Here's their argument.

We know that spike antibody titres from the vaccines fall quickly after the second jab. In fact they outright collapse. This is nothing to worry about because data shows that the vaxxed still have protection from hospitalisation and death. But we have to be careful, especially with cancer patients, pregnant women, people with morbidity, pregnant women, the very old and pregnant women, who are vulnerable and a smidgen more prone to catching the virus when the antibodies go down. Now like I said that's nothing to worry about but we need to be extra cautious with these vulnerable groups, like pregnant women, and offer them a third dose of the vaccine to boost up their immunity with more antibodies. We will boost up everyone who isn't vulnerable as well, but let's not talk about that.

So why is this bullshit? Well you wouldn't have antibody titres collapsing at a compounding rate of 40-50% per month if you had B-cell recall. If you don't have B-cell recall you can't have T-cell immunity. If you don't have T-cell immunity you won't have protection of any kind when the spike antibodies fall below seroconversion levels. I have absolutely no doubt that they're lying about mortality rates and I can prove it.

It has been discussed in this thread from as far back as late last year that a booster program would be rolled out. I was told months ago that a 3 month vaccination and booster program for the elderly was planned where I am, and the government announced that today. In Australia hundreds of millions of vaccines doses were ordered 6-12 months ago. All of this is planned, where they're taking us I don't know.

 

[fhqwhgads]

What a sad state of affairs. Without a daily bombardment of fear and doom and it being turned into a massive earner for some people we would all be getting on just fine. I bet that these people who are turning their backs on friends and family had no thoughts or cares as to how many people died of this and that, before covid, and now they are lapping up the bullshit graphs and numbers. Sadly; they have had their minds so bent out of shape that they STILL do not compare covid numbers and outcomes, to the other things that kill/injure us even though a whole new world of info has been made available to them.
I had a discussion recently with someone who is quite practical, switched on and clever and we were looking at some pie charts and stuff and even though it was fucking obvious that covid is minor, compared to other shit, he was all "yes, but covid blah blah" like a stuck record. At the beginning of all of this he was completely normal and his reasoning was spot on, but now he is a compliant brainwashed fuckwit.

Maybe one day some of them will see sense and say sorry for being shit, but I fear many have been completely re-programmed. It is very sad and very scary. More so than the actual bloody virus.

Have you found that the same people who are up in arms about preventing corona deaths just handwave away the statistics about suicides because of the lockdowns, deaths due to starvation, and so on? It's like it barely registers with them as an issue. Why do they care so much about corona but fuck all else?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Just wanted to clarify that Pfizer is still in its third trial phase and by accepting the injection I am participating in a medical trial with zero financial compensation or ability to sue for damages if I experience adverse side effects.

But wait, depending on where you live you might get all of 100 dollars, a raffle ticket, and even a free donut! That counts, right?

Have you found that the same people who are up in arms about preventing corona deaths just handwave away the statistics about suicides because of the lockdowns, deaths due to starvation, and so on? It's like it barely registers with them as an issue. Why do they care so much about corona but fuck all else?

Because THEY are good people who will make sure to feed themselves and never commit suicide. Committing suicide over the government taking away your friends, people you interact with, and entertainment is for selfish people who probably don't care about saving grandma. No one should commit suicide over totally necessary medical measures.

 

[Derka Derka]

I'm from the UK and just got it from Amazon.

First read it as "Troon AC Supplement" ..

I spend too much time on these forums.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Have you found that the same people who are up in arms about preventing corona deaths just handwave away the statistics about suicides because of the lockdowns, deaths due to starvation, and so on? It's like it barely registers with them as an issue. Why do they care so much about corona but fuck all else?

They think they're being good people by obeying and they are not aware that there are people all over the world that quite literally cannot afford to obey. OR they think that if they sacrificed hard enough, then it would go away - after all... ALL THOSE POORS NEEDED TO DO WAS TO STARVE FOR TWO WEEKS! CAN'T THEY UNDERSTAND THAT!?

Combined with blind trust that the authorities can conceivably control this shit .