Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

[Oxous]

I was getting Dunkin earlier today and they had a sign in the drive-thru advertising that new employees start (I checked) at $16.50 and it also advertised the college benefits new employees would get, although I unfortunately forgot the specific details of that. Last week the guy was handing me my order while he was explaining a process on-the-job to a new employee, so I know they are actually taking people.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

(seeing our world economy from a globalist perspective) Sweet dreams are made this, who am I to disagree? I travel the world and the seven seas, everybody is looking for something...

 

[Uncle Buck]

Not content with their horrible policies causing the Port of Los Angeles congestion, California now intends to start fining the vessels sitting offshore.

With no offense intended to CA Kiwis, the shitiest of shithole countries is less of a shithole than the Peoples "Democratic" California Republic.

 

[Mooger Meng]

Not content with their horrible policies causing the Port of Los Angeles congestion, California now intends to start fining the vessels sitting offshore.

With no offense intended to CA Kiwis, the shitiest of shithole countries is less of a shithole than the Peoples "Democratic" California Republic.

This coming on the heels of the Biden admin crowing over how they've gotten the dockworkers' unions to agree to 24/7 schedules is fucking hilarious. Whoever could have guess this would happen?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Not content with their horrible policies causing the Port of Los Angeles congestion, California now intends to start fining the vessels sitting offshore.

While I enjoy shiting on California as much as anyone from the midwest, did you read any of the article? The ports are going to start fining shipper's, not ships, for every day their containers sit in the ports' stack yard past the allotted time.

 

[Uncle Buck]

While I enjoy shiting on California as much as anyone from the midwest, did you read any of the article? The ports are going to start fining shipper's, not ships, for every day their containers sit in the ports' stack yard past the allotted time.

While you're right that I really should have said shipping companies, rather than ships, that doesn't exactly change the gist of the article, nor my reason for posting it.

The primary issues causing the backlog at the port is due to the California Reich strangling the independent operators of the state by denying them access to the port, as well as the eco-terrorism they're engaging in by simultaneously disallowing trucks with engines built before 2011 and banning combustion engines starting in 2035 - which means shipping companies in the state have to either buy expensive equipment that will be illegal under current law in fifteen years or wait for technology that doesn't exist.

They've created the problem they - and Spaghetti Sauce Joey - are now blaming on the "private sector".

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

While you're right that I really should have said shipping companies, rather than ships, that doesn't exactly change the gist of the article, nor my reason for posting it.

It's completely different than the description you used for the hyperlink. Fining ships for sitting in the bay is completely different from fining shipper's for not getting their containers out of the port in a timely fashion.

While it's a bad idea for the ports, it give a solid incentive for shipper's to use any other port.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

While I enjoy shiting on California as much as anyone from the midwest, did you read any of the article? The ports are going to start fining shipper's, not ships, for every day their containers sit in the ports' stack yard past the allotted time.

None of these fines will hold up in court, its the port and state's fault that there is a backlog so heavy that they are literally dumping flatbeds with containers on public streets. The shipping company can arrange for a train or truck to come but if nobody is pulling the containers out of the stacks at the port what should they do? This would get smacked down in a reasonable court because the shipping company is not at fault, the government is.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave]

Not content with their horrible policies causing the Port of Los Angeles congestion, California now intends to start fining the vessels sitting offshore.

With no offense intended to CA Kiwis, the shitiest of shithole countries is less of a shithole than the Peoples "Democratic" California Republic.

I know it's been mentioned ITT, but at this point I'm wondering how long before these shipping companies start cutting their losses and start moving north towards Portland/Seattle/Vancouver.

This would get smacked down in a reasonable court

It's Commiefornia, good luck finding one of those

 

[Uncle Buck]

Fining ships for sitting in the bay is completely different from fining shipper's for not getting their containers out of the port in a timely fashion.

Again, perhaps a poor choice of words, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Do tell, how can the shippers get their containers out of the port "timely" - and, as a consequence, get the ships out of the area - when they're not being unloaded timely?

The implication - both in your comments and those of the port operators - is that the shippers are somehow responsible for the backlog when the problem lies entirely with the California Reich's horrible policies.

If you believe the shippers are responsible for the problem, please explain how.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Do tell, how can the shippers get their containers out of the port "timely" - and, as a consequence, get the ships out of the area - when they're not being unloaded timely?

It's from the time the container hits the stack yard to the time it hits a rail car (3 days) or container chassis (9 days). How long it takes to get to that point only effects scheduling, and that is already completely fucked.

The implication - both in your comments and those of the port operators - is that the shippers are somehow responsible for the backlog when the problem lies entirely with the California Reich's horrible policies.

4-6 months ago it was entirely commifornia's fault and the ports' decision to save time by not reloading empty containers didn't help. When the price for trans-pacific container shipments doubled, not to cover longer trek to an un-fucked port, but to pay for ships to sit around long enough to make 2 trips, it started being at least partly the shippers being unimaginative. I don't want to say nice things about Amazon, but somebody was smart enough to hire geared ships and use ports or berths without container handling infrastructure. And they stared doing that months ago. I guarantee there is excess port capacity in places, but almost everyone is doing the same thing that has always worked and expecting the situation to magically fix itself. The fact it's commiefornia makes that expectation doubly retarded.

 

[FatalTater]

Yanno, the qanon eejits are a bunch of wankers BUT they claimed that the US was under attack from within.

Who among us has the power to fuck up the nation's supply lines? Foreign countries or our own leaders? How well can the country function with damaged supply lines? We might get to find out.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

None of these fines will hold up in court, its the port and state's fault that there is a backlog so heavy that they are literally dumping flatbeds with containers on public streets. The shipping company can arrange for a train or truck to come but if nobody is pulling the containers out of the stacks at the port what should they do? This would get smacked down in a reasonable court because the shipping company is not at fault, the government is.

Yeah but i want to see parts of LA completely inaccessible because of shipping containers blocking roads and highways for funsies.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Yeah at least some of the shipping supply problems we currently have would be alleviated if Commiefornia didn't have such exceptional regulations because SUPAH GREEN.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Yeah at least some of the shipping supply problems we currently have would be alleviated if Commiefornia didn't have such exceptional regulations because SUPAH GREEN.

The problems would have never even happened if we didn't just send our manufacturing capabilities to China.

 

[NJBear]

Yeah but i want to see parts of LA completely inaccessible because of shipping containers blocking roads and highways for funsies.

Interesting. Has anyone of the criminal flavor tried to help themselves to the contents?

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Interesting. Has anyone of the criminal flavor tried to help themselves to the contents?

Between LA's shit law enforcement, and abandonment laws, you probably wouldn't even get labeled as a criminal. You drop a container on a public space and just fuck off, there's a decent argument that opening it up and going at it isn't theft.

 

[Mooger Meng]

Interesting. Has anyone of the criminal flavor tried to help themselves to the contents?

Between LA's shit law enforcement, and abandonment laws, you probably wouldn't even get labeled as a criminal. You drop a container on a public space and just fuck off, there's a decent argument that opening it up and going at it isn't theft.

I believe most, if not all, of the containers being left around are empties that no one is willing to ship back overseas... which confuses the hell out of me, since last I heard part of the problem was a lack of empties going back out, but that may have changed in the last few months for all that I know.

4-6 months ago it was entirely commifornia's fault and the ports' decision to save time by not reloading empty containers didn't help. When the price for trans-pacific container shipments doubled, not to cover longer trek to an un-fucked port, but to pay for ships to sit around long enough to make 2 trips, it started being at least partly the shippers being unimaginative. I don't want to say nice things about Amazon, but somebody was smart enough to hire geared ships and use ports or berths without container handling infrastructure. And they stared doing that months ago. I guarantee there is excess port capacity in places, but almost everyone is doing the same thing that has always worked and expecting the situation to magically fix itself. The fact it's commiefornia makes that expectation doubly exceptional.

A co-worker of mine brought up an old maritime law forbidding international shipments from stopping at more than one U.S. port on the same ship or something to that effect, but I can't remember its name off the top of my head. It's something that's been a concern for ships docking in Puerto Rico before, since that's technically Burgerland soil. Maybe that's why certain shippers have been unwilling to go elsewhere for so long?

 

[Functional Animal]

This is why they pick up the phone to corporate and tell them to not send a truck on a specific day. Its not rocket science, what do you think happens when a Blizzard, Hurricane, Riots or some other event causes the store to be closed? The manager calls corporate and tells them shits fucked do not send a truck nobody will be there to receive them. I've been the manager at retail stores like this and I've done this before, sure the POS stuff does the ordering and you manage the stock level values to ensure they're correct but the actual scheduling of the trucks has some play in them, there is a hotline to call that will route you to almost any contingency.

Also almost certainly there is a mechanism to see what the waybill is for the truck in advance, its just your shit tier management that has no idea what it is doing that is the problem. I would routinely look up the waybill because it would break down what department was getting by total piece count and I'd organize the loading crew based upon these values.

At Walmart at least I doubt stores have any control or say. The store can't even control its own thermostat, it's controlled centrally by corporate.

 

[DavidS877]

A co-worker of mine brought up an old maritime law forbidding international shipments from stopping at more than one U.S. port on the same ship or something to that effect, but I can't remember its name off the top of my head. It's something that's been a concern for ships docking in Puerto Rico before, since that's technically Burgerland soil. Maybe that's why certain shippers have been unwilling to go elsewhere for so long?

Jones Act. Yes, I had to look it up.