General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Toluene Blood]

A friend of mine a while ago was going on about gender shit and explaining how he wasn't trans but occasionally had intrusive thoughts and shit where it just goes "you're trans" and talking about how he was doing research on trans shit and after I made an observation about the oversaturation of gendershit in media right now and a joking comment about the whole fucked "egg hatcher" subculture to try calming him down he suddenly claimed I was transphobic. Like unironically, despite us joking about this shit before he's now like "You're transphobic and don't know it yet trust me I know a lot of trans and nonbinary people I'm a well adjusted adult" I'm concerned he's getting sucked into the politics hivemind machine because I've never displayed any fear irrational or otherwise of trans people and have known and had friendships and aquaintenceships with trannies throughout my life. He's apperently going to a college right now and stressed as fuck so I gotta wonder/worry about that shit. I don't know what does this shit to people I'm just hoping it doesn't end up like the other guy i knew that went missing for months after going to college only to suddenly show up only to make a big stink about leaving and deleting everything though that time was completely unrelated to trans discussion shit. I swear to god whatever the hells going on at colleges right now is doing shit to people and it fucks me up I got screwed out of going to college before whatever the fuck is going on with colleges is going on now these past few years.

Weird tangents aside, what I'm basically trying to say is, why in the fuck is the term "transphobia" so god damn meaningless these days? Homophobia is ually lumped in there but I've seen more claims of transphobia over weird shit than any other thing from those in the current mainstream politics hivemind.

Transphobia is both very easy to claim and very taboo to question. The current oppression totem pole has T ranked above the LGB because they're just so pitiable - supposedly murdered on the streets every day, constantly targeted by the legal system, and are miserable every day just existing, while LGB have nothing to complain about anymore now that they're legally allowed to marry. Since it's all based on self-ID these days, i.e. inner gender feelings, there are no objective criteria of whether or not someone is "really trans". Inconvenient trans figures like Yaniv can be called "not really trans" if needed to preserve the righteousness of the group. Therefore everyone must walk on eggshells in case of offending the hypothetical pure-hearted closeted transgender person. It's a very effective weapon - any accusation of it makes well-meaning people grovel so as to not be branded evil, and makes organizations grovel so that they won't be legally liable for discrimination.

I just want to complain about the stupid thought that ftms have more "understanding" just because "there is a likelihood that they are carriers of sexual trauma." Damn, why don't we assume the same from the MTF? Surely more than one was abused in some way and now as adults they are screwed.
They say that not all ftm are degenerate but they really are, they only know how to hide it better. mtf invades lesbian spaces but ftm does the same to yaoi's fandom, and i'm really tired of seeing tranny shit labeled yaoi/gay

I suspect it's because there's a huge lack of awareness of the modern social contagion. In the past, it may very well have been true that MTFs were bullied gay men and FTMs were sexual abuse survivors trying to mark themselves as non-viable targets.
Yuri fandom has been invaded as well, going by how those images keep getting used for memes in MTF communities.
Personally I'm also tired of this weird new trend of femboy manga, it's so obvious that it's being produced to stroke the ego of internet-dwelling MTF weebs and to titillate casuals with the age-old question of whether traps are gay.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Personally I'm also tired of this weird new trend of femboy manga, it's so obvious that it's being produced to stroke the ego of internet-dwelling MTF weebs and to titillate casuals with the age-old question of whether traps are gay.

Manga with traps are not meant for MtFs - to begin with, there are few trannies in Japan, Traps are a fetish for straight or bi guys. It was never about transsexualism or pandering to trannies. Traps aren't transsexuals either - they crossdress, never take horse piss hormone pills and don't cut off their dicks.

 

[Toluene Blood]

Manga with traps are not meant for MtFs - to begin with, there are few trannies in Japan, Traps are a fetish for straight or bi guys. It was never about transsexualism or pandering to trannies.

I agree that's true for the properly-published stuff, but from the way the comment sections for those one-page strips from pixiv and twitter go these days, MTFs are projecting themselves onto the femboys and wishing they could pass just as well. It's not even proper manga but they get posted all the same.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

I agree that's true for the properly-published stuff, but from the way the comment sections for those one-page strips from pixiv and twitter go these days, MTFs are projecting themselves onto the femboys and wishing they could pass just as well. It's not even proper manga but they get posted all the same.

Can you really call it 'manga' if it's published on fanart sites by no-names who will never have a Baka-Updates entry?

 

[Ser Prize]

A friend of mine a while ago was going on about gender shit and explaining how he wasn't trans but occasionally had intrusive thoughts and shit where it just goes "you're trans" and talking about how he was doing research on trans shit and after I made an observation about the oversaturation of gendershit in media right now and a joking comment about the whole fucked "egg hatcher" subculture to try calming him down he suddenly claimed I was transphobic. Like unironically, despite us joking about this shit before he's now like "You're transphobic and don't know it yet trust me I know a lot of trans and nonbinary people I'm a well adjusted adult" I'm concerned he's getting sucked into the politics hivemind machine because I've never displayed any fear irrational or otherwise of trans people and have known and had friendships and aquaintenceships with trannies throughout my life. He's apperently going to a college right now and stressed as fuck so I gotta wonder/worry about that shit. I don't know what does this shit to people I'm just hoping it doesn't end up like the other guy i knew that went missing for months after going to college only to suddenly show up only to make a big stink about leaving and deleting everything though that time was completely unrelated to trans discussion shit. I swear to god whatever the hells going on at colleges right now is doing shit to people and it fucks me up I got screwed out of going to college before whatever the fuck is going on with colleges is going on now these past few years.

Weird tangents aside, what I'm basically trying to say is, why in the fuck is the term "transphobia" so god damn meaningless these days? Homophobia is ually lumped in there but I've seen more claims of transphobia over weird shit than any other thing from those in the current mainstream politics hivemind.

He's already gone, chief.

 

[The Lawgiver]

He's already gone, chief.

This was like a one off happening I think/hope he realizes how fucking stupid what he said was. If he's already gone, I'll enjoy the time with the guy while it lasts before he inevitably fully becomes part of the machine men hordes.

 

[l00n3ytr00nz]

Homophobia is ually lumped in there but I've seen more claims of transphobia over weird shit than any other thing from those in the current mainstream politics hivemind.

This is because we homos don't really have any huge, reality-denying demands, i.e. that the whole "gay rights" crusade, aside from flaunting the grotesque public debauchery that are current-year Pride parades, was really just to secure shit that affects us and only us and be left the fuck alone at the end of the day.

The transanity quest, on the other hand, demands that everyone ignore what's clearly right in front of them or be labeled as "irrationally fearful"

 

[Shiversblood]

Homophobia was created by men who did not want to be raped by other men. Killing homosexual men was considered a good thing in the past because homosexual men raped people.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Good news everyone!

Adults who try to persuade children to change their gender will face criminal sanctions under government plans.
From next spring it will be illegal to convince someone to change their sexuality or gender identity, with extra safeguards to protect adolescents.
Government sources suggested that individuals working for organisations such as Mermaids, a charity that offers advice and counselling to children with gender dysphoria, could face criminal sanctions if they were found guilty of encouraging under 18s to change gender.

Under the proposals, medical professionals such as psychiatrists and doctors will escape sanctions. Informal advice sought from family and friends will also not be criminalised. However, all other counselling offered to children under 18 will be outlawed and adults will have to consent to take part in therapy. The laws will be introduced after a consultation.

Although the decision to ban gender identity counselling is controversial, the protections for gay and lesbian people have been welcomed. LGBT+ campaigners have long called for a ban on gay conversion therapy. Under the practice, religious groups try to “cure” gay people through prayer or counselling. In extreme cases individuals have beeen subjected to violence or “corrective rape”. Judges will be asked to hand down longer sentences for such crimes.
The government will also give courts the power to seize the passports of under 18s who are at risk of being taken out of the country. The new Conversion Therapy Protection Orders will work in a similar way to an existing scheme that allows officials to intervene on behalf of children at risk of female genital mutilation or forced marriage.
Liz Truss, the equalities minister, said that LGBT+ people deserved to live their lives free from the threat of harm or abuse. “There should be no place for the abhorrent practice of coercive conversion therapy in our society,” she said.
“I want everyone to be able to love who they want and be themselves. Today’s announcement sets out how we will ban an archaic practice that has no place in modern life.”
The case of Keira Bell, a 24-year-old woman who began taking puberty blockers as a teenager before later detransitioning, is understood to have influenced Truss’s decision to include gender identity counselling in the ban. Bell met Kemi Badenoch, a junior equalities minister, this year.
Stephanie Davies-Arai, director of Transgender Trend, a group of parents, professionals and academics troubled by the trend to diagnose children as transgender, said that the new laws could threaten legitimate discussions.
She said: “This may have a chilling effect on therapists working with children with gender dysphoria unless there are clear, specific protections built into the bill.” Nancy Kelley, chief executive of Stonewall, welcomed the “huge step forward” on gay conversion therapy but urged the government to go further on prayer and support for victims.
“We also can’t support the proposals for people to ‘consent’ to conversion therapy — a practice that is abusive cannot be consented to,” she said.

Urging change of gender to be criminalised | News | The Times

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[Choc]

A new paper published April 28th of this year in the JAMA Network has reported findings of strong evidence for the vitality of SRS (Sex reassignment surgery)


(Almazan & Keuroghlian 2021)

Essentially, they analyzed results from surveys taken across the USA and its Military bases were analyzed to see self reports of bad outcomes among transgender/non-binary people who underwent SRS vs those who did not and concluded

“This study demonstrates an association between gender-affirming surgery and improved mental health outcomes. These results contribute new evidence to support the provision of gender-affirming surgical care for TGD people.”

However, the single comment posted was one critiquing the paper on August 16, 2021.

“Unrecognized confounding may explain differences in mental health outcomes

David Curtis, MBBS MD PhD FRCPsych | University College London

A major concern about this paper is that the two groups compared – those who have had surgery and those who might want it some day – are really nothing like each other.

In the results section the authors refer to differences in percentages for various measures but fail to highlight the magnitude of these differences:

More than three times as many subjects who had surgery are over 44 (43.4% v. 13.6%)

More than twice as many subjects who had surgery had a degree (64.0% v. 29.3%)

More than twice as many subjects who had not had surgery were unemployed (15.1% v. 5.7%)

Three times as many subjects who had not had surgery were nonbinary (30.2% v. 9.6%)

Nearly twice as many subjects who had surgery had household income over $100,000 (23.6% v. 12.6%)

Twice as many subjects who had surgery were heterosexual (22.0% v. 10.5%)

These drastic differences between the two groups make it clear that the answers to the questions regarding surgery serve to identify quite different subsets of the survey respondents.

In the discussion section the authors do admit the possibility that the study may be subject to unmeasured confounding but not enough weight is given to this issue. The two groups are so radically different that we really cannot assume that the multivariate analyses carried out allow us to conclude that differences in psychopathology are likely the result of surgical intervention. We can certainly agree with the authors that there is a need for larger probability-based surveys and more comprehensive health data collection. We cannot agree that the results provide strong evidence that gender-affirming surgery is causally associated with improved mental health outcomes.”

 

[themasterlurker]

wow chopping your penis off makes you go insane i never would have thought that

 

[Chilson]

now stay with me for a moment. Its almost like being a tranny and being in desperate need of psychological help have an implicit causal relationship?

Crazy I know.

 

[Chocolate Wombat]

wow chopping your penis off makes you go insane i never would have thought that

Same, this comes as a complete surprise

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

wow chopping your penis off makes you go insane i never would have thought that

I am surprised that a coomer would get suicidal after losing his her dick.

 

[Pyre]

You yards are incapable of reading anything before commenting. Study states that those who got the surgery have better mental health, and the article goes into detail on why that finding may be false.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

You yards are incapable of reading anything before commenting. Study states that those who got the surgery have better mental health, and the article goes into detail on why that finding may be false.

Who the fuck reads an A&H article lmao

 

[Kenya Jones]

Ok so I see nobody read the article or the study (and the main part, the comment to the study). Basically the study says that people that have had gender affirming surgeries (not just SRS) have better mental health than those who haven't. What the comment is saying is that we cannot know for sure that that is the case because the people who have those surgeries (basically rich people) usually have better overall mental health in general. This isn't saying that GRS does or does not make mental health better or worse, just that the original story has not taken into account other factors.

 

[JULAY]

The real association between troonism and suicide is a complete and utter inability to ever have sex again with a willing partner once you become a disgusting abomination that is sexually appealing to literally nobody.

 

[AvocadoToast]

It doesn't really matter that trannies report themselves to be better off once they've had the cock chop, because we all know their lives are consumed by being trannies and at this point they can't go back. It's all coping, seething and dilating from now on. They'll just double down on everything being transphobia.

 

[Chilson]

Ok so I see nobody read the article or the study (and the main part, the comment to the study). Basically the study says that people that have had gender affirming surgeries (not just SRS) have better mental health than those who haven't. What the comment is saying is that we cannot know for sure that that is the case because the people who have those surgeries (basically rich people) usually have better overall mental health in general. This isn't saying that GRS does or does not make mental health better or worse, just that the original story has not taken into account other factors.

I mean...I will just say the original "study" has one core problem.

ITS A FUCKING SURVEY!!!!

Ignoring how easy it is to manipulate data taken from a survey to get whatever conclusion you want, surveys DONT FUCKING WORK ON THE MENTALLY ILL!!!

Of course they are going to claim they are "better" after the surgery. Their in fucking denial and in too deep to just admit they fucked up without looking like an idiot who wasted thousands of dollars and broke apart their physical and mental integrity to accomplish nothing, or worse admit they made a huge mistake that is killing them.