General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Bec]

I'm probably not the only one? but I've come to the conclusion that most FTM's are essentially still female in interests and the way most of them act.

 

[Syikeblade]

I'm probably not the only one? but I've come to the conclusion that most FTM's are essentially still female in interests and the way most of them act.

R/ftm is a good example of this

 

[GenitalFetishist]

TIMs: anime, coding, video games, porn

TIFs: yaoi, fanfiction, arts/crafts, astrology

Yup, these are definitely people who are breaking gender stereotypes. Brave and stunning.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Remember when it was considered horrifying for a man to hit a woman because people knew that they are just biologically stronger than us?

I don't mind the loss of that inasmuch as it's leveraged by women to be as aggressive as they please while banking on the goodwill of the man with whom she's being aggressive/onlookers to pressure the man into not treating the woman like the man she obviously wants to be.

I'm probably not the only one? but I've come to the conclusion that most FTM's are essentially still female in interests and the way most of them act.

Imagine thinking that someone would willingly play life on hard mode.

 

[Baloney Face]

I don't mind the loss of that inasmuch as it's leveraged by women to be as aggressive as they please while banking on the goodwill of the man with whom she's being aggressive/onlookers to pressure the man into not treating the woman like the man she obviously wants to be.

I'm not sure how to approach this analysis.

In the realm of privilege denunciation, do MTFs have male privilege or female privilege?

 

[Nonconsentual Pronouns]

I don't mind the loss of that inasmuch as it's leveraged by women to be as aggressive as they please while banking on the goodwill of the man with whom she's being aggressive/onlookers to pressure the man into not treating the woman like the man she obviously wants to be.

I do agree with your point, but it's a bit more complicated overall. I don't believe in women getting to abuse men without the men having the right to defend themselves in the same way that if a kid full-on gutpunches me, an adult, I'm going to kick that little fucker and call the cops to press charges for assault.

 

[Ser Prize]

I don't mind the loss of that inasmuch as it's leveraged by women to be as aggressive as they please while banking on the goodwill of the man with whom she's being aggressive/onlookers to pressure the man into not treating the woman like the man she obviously wants to be.


Imagine thinking that someone would willingly play life on hard mode.

Now I'm not exactly mr Beat That Bitch but many a modern woman issue would be resolved if you could backhand someone when they were going out of their way to antagonize you.

 

[jorgoth]

I actually think transgenderism is a genuine disorder and it's not just faggots being schizophrenic. Sperm counts have gone down more than 60% since the 1970's, so something's obviously in the water. Personally I'd just call most mtf's "xe" or something. because they're not quite male anymore, but something less, but obviously they will never be women, either.

 

[Fish Fudge]

I'm probably not the only one? but I've come to the conclusion that most FTM's are essentially still female in interests and the way most of them act.

Doesn't help that we've now raised a generation or two of men to act like spineless workshy faggots. FTM trannies aren't exactly surrounded with strong examples of men for them to cosplay as.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

I saw it brought up in the Ripley Storm thread but didn't want to veer off topic so I'll bring it here: the concept of one person using multiple pronouns is ludicrous. I'm talking about the people who'll put "she/they" or similar in their social media bios. Sometimes it just means "use either of these words to refer to me, it's cool either way" which is convenient when the pronoun that corresponds to the person's actual biological sex is in the mix (so you can't be accused of "misgendering" when you call an obvious woman a she) but it gets real stupid when the expectation is that you alternate between pronouns when talking about the same individual. For example - "My friend asked me to get her a pizza, so I did. When I brought it home, they were happy". It's such a blatant butchery of the English language, I can't tell if the pronoun mob are oblivious to the fact they're fucking with grammar, or derive pleasure from confusing and manipulating everyone outside their cult.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I can't tell if the pronoun mob are oblivious to the fact they're fucking with grammar, or derive pleasure from confusing and manipulating everyone outside their cult.

The latter, but only insofar as it's both an affirmation of their own solidarity with the cult group, which is a pleasurable state to be in, and also a means to draw others into the cult's orbit. It's actually a form of mind control, in effect; by forcing you to use their jargon, they force you to think a little more like them. It also pushes away and alienates the kind of people who would reject such enforced conformity and be disruptive to the cult's activities.

 

[AnOminous]

It would be nice if they figured out a way to make them as attractive as traps so you could fuck their brains out.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It would be nice if they figured out a way to make them as attractive as traps so you could fuck their brains out.

That would require a miracle that even god himself was incapable of performing. Sad.

 

[melty]

I'm probably not the only one? but I've come to the conclusion that most FTM's are essentially still female in interests and the way most of them act.

There have been way too many times I've seen something like "man gets offended over trivial thing" and it's really obvious it's going to be a ftm before reading any further.

 

[Baloney Face]

https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1471787831689363461

 

[GenitalFetishist]

Kikomi has blessed us once again:

 

[Imperial Priorities]

I feel like getting into it, and I'm so lazy I've pretty much only skimmed this shit because 5 thousand replies are more than I want to read rn. My real point is that you guys are really harping on the bit about mutilation and butchery, but this is all feeling. Where are the numbers? When I look into it SRS/GRS/GAS has overwhelming positive patient satisfaction. Why get muddled in how yucky surgery is when it has the desired outcome? This feels akin to rejecting chemo because it causes terrible side effects.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I feel like getting into it, and I'm so lazy I've pretty much only skimmed this shit because 5 thousand replies are more than I want to read rn. My real point is that you guys are really harping on the bit about mutilation and butchery, but this is all feeling. Where are the numbers? When I look into it SRS/GRS/GAS has overwhelming positive patient satisfaction. Why get muddled in how yucky surgery is when it has the desired outcome? This feels akin to rejecting chemo because it causes terrible side effects.

wether it has the desired outcome is yet TBD, being as the is a massive wave of unprecedented numbers of people now seeking and hacks providing shoddy transition surgery, and these are very new and are still “healing”.

god know how many people who have already happily given their 5 star surgeon rating online are still “cathed up” waiting to STP should be any time soon bro!

it’s gonna be a long road to seeing how the guineapig bumper crop really fair.

wait til the tide goes back out before we can asses the wave of mutilation , huh?

 

[Gilkore]

I feel like getting into it, and I'm so lazy I've pretty much only skimmed this shit because 5 thousand replies are more than I want to read rn. My real point is that you guys are really harping on the bit about mutilation and butchery, but this is all feeling. Where are the numbers? When I look into it SRS/GRS/GAS has overwhelming positive patient satisfaction. Why get muddled in how yucky surgery is when it has the desired outcome? This feels akin to rejecting chemo because it causes terrible side effects.

"I don't really feel like looking at hundreds of pages of evidence, but you guys sure do complain a lot. Anyway give me some papers about negative SRS results." Man gtfo lol

 

[Imperial Priorities]

AghanBlue is completely incorrect lmao, you have no understanding of the state of trans healthcare research. On the topic of GAS, look at this meta analysis of almost 8000 patients of whom only 77 were regretful of their surgery. Research into trans people has been going on for decades, its more broad but look at this policy statement from the APA. I have selected a quote:

Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that
gender is a nonbinary construct that allows
for a range of gender identities and that a
person’s gender identity may not align with
sex assigned at birth.
Rationale. Gender identity is defined as a per-
son’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or
female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female;
or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; In-
stitute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). In many cultures and
religious traditions, gender has been perceived as a binary
construct, with mutually exclusive categories of male or
female, boy or girl, man or woman (Benjamin, 1966;
Mollenkott, 2001; Tanis, 2003). These mutually exclusive
categories include an assumption that gender identity is
always in alignment with sex assigned at birth (Bethea &
McCollum, 2013). For TGNC people, gender identity dif-
fers from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may
be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary
(Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, &
Mustanski, 2012).
Gender as a nonbinary construct has been described
and studied for decades (Benjamin, 1966; Herdt, 1994;
Kulick, 199. There is historical evidence of recognition,
societal acceptance, and sometimes reverence of diversity
in gender identity and gender expression in several differ-
ent cultures (Coleman et al., 1992; Feinberg, 1996; Miller
& Nichols, 2012; Schmidt, 2003). Many cultures in which
gender nonconforming persons and groups were visible
were diminished by westernization, colonialism, and sys-
temic inequity (Nanda, 1999). In the 20th century, TGNC
expression became medicalized (Hirschfeld, 1910/1991),
and medical interventions to treat discordance between a
person’s sex assigned at birth, secondary sex characteris-
tics, and gender identity became available (Meyerowitz,
2002).
As early as the 1950s, research found variability in
how an individual described their3 gender, with some par-
ticipants reporting a gender identity different from the
culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man”
or “woman” (Benjamin, 1966). In several recent large
online studies of the TGNC population in the United States,
30% to 40% of participants identified their gender identity
as other than man or woman (Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper
et al., 2012). Although some studies have cultivated a
broader understanding of gender (Conron, Scout, & Austin,
200, the majority of research has required a forced choice
between man and woman, thus failing to represent or depict
those with different gender identities (IOM, 2011). Re-
search over the last two decades has demonstrated the
existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender
expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et
al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either
man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man
and woman, or a unique gender identity. A person’s iden-
tification as TGNC can be healthy and self-affirming, and is
not inherently pathological (Coleman et al., 2012). How-
ever, people may experience distress associated with dis-
cordance between their gender identity and their body or
sex assigned at birth, as well as societal stigma and dis-
crimination (Coleman et al., 2012).

Otherwise, the other user who replied to me should understand that forums posts do not equal evidence.