Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Predictably, mainstream TV shows are starting to reflect Jewish sentiment towards "Covid deniers." In episode three, season three, of the Netflix series You, a woman kills a "crazy anti-vaxxer" for giving her precious newborn the measles.

What is promoted on TV today becomes publicly acceptable behavior tomorrow.

Honestly, it's eerie to see what the world has become.

Now public discrimination is ok, shunning and shaming is acceptable. If you think the whole WuFlu situation is a little bit weird, or dare question why we need to wear a mask, you are instantly shunned and ostracized.

Looks like the concept of 'minding your own business' or 'do not nag people for stupid shit' has completely disappeared, and a generation of Karens (both male and females) that have been dormant for years, just waiting for the moment when the world implements some stupid rules, have finally emerged and they can feel morally superior for bickering and being nasty at people for not following these rules to the letter.

 

[Derka Derka]

That is interesting. People poin to New Zeal and Australia, saying that we should all follow their lead.
However, even if you ignore that we re supposed to wait only 15 days in slowing the inevitable spread, you have me curious on how the lockdown failed there.

It took almost 5 weeks during the first lockdown to eliminate Covid in NZ in 2020. They remained in less severe lockdown for a further 2 weeks.

This was a Level 4 (full CCP-style) lockdown, where only supermarkets, pharmacies and gas stations were open. You couldn't get takeout food and could not even order online (except for some very basic essentials). They closed down industry/commerce (only remote workers worked)

It was a zero tolerance approach, and had 2 further lockdowns of this severity. The government are having to pay out more than a third of the annual national GDP to pay for lost business/salaries etc

From the perspective of banishing the coof, it was seen as a success.

Otherwise it has severely damaged the economy (on the face of it, it doesn't look like it because the country is awash with government stimulus ... the money printer is running 24x7).
And all it has done is delayed Covid, where a financially stretched government has to now actually manage an incursion of a more virulent strain and an increasingly weary populous (which is giving less of a shit of the scare tactics from media)

They are literally putting all their bets on Pfizer.

 

[CashMoney!]

Auckland is looked at like our own personal Melbourne. One man from Melbourne started the delta shit here that's resulted in this second wave of lockdowns. All infections in the rest of the country, including the first cases ever in the South Island, have come from people skirting border restrictions and leaving Auckland.

Have split custody and need to get your kid to or from Auckland? There are police supervising a "drop off point" at Mercer, just south of Auckland, for people coparenting. Yes, that's right, the police need to supervise your kid getting into your car to make sure you don't do anything shifty! What the fuck? Honestly.

 

[Derka Derka]

More apartheid propaganda from down unda ...

Your unvaccinated friend is roughly 20 times more likely to give you COVID

Unvaccinated people are ten times more likely to contract COVID, and more likely to pass it on than vaccinated people.

theconversation.com

 

[talk sh1t]

More apartheid propaganda from down unda ...

Your unvaccinated friend is roughly 20 times more likely to give you COVID

Unvaccinated people are ten times more likely to contract COVID, and more likely to pass it on than vaccinated people.

theconversation.com

So that's in direct contradiction with the recent data from the UK, where the infection rate among vaccinated is higher than among the unvaccinated.
Is it a different strain doing the rounds in Victoria? Considering Australia has been so isolated in recent times, isn't that a possibility?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

So that's in direct contradiction with the recent data from the UK, where the infection rate among vaccinated is higher than among the unvaccinated.
Is it a different strain doing the rounds in Victoria? Considering Australia has been so isolated in recent times, isn't that a possibility?

Infection rates are going up in the UK because it's been more than 6 months for most of the UK's vaccinated population, as we know six months is when you're just like an uninjected person. That and it's now coming into the winter for the UK.

 

[borsabil]

Infection rates are going up in the UK because it's been more than 6 months for most of the UK's vaccinated population, as we know six months is when you're just like an uninjected person. That and it's now coming into the winter for the UK.

Infection rates started going up in June in a third pandemic infection wave and it hasn't settled back down.

Vaccine roll out only really got going in March and April, so around 3 months of population wide protection and then they're completely useless.

My guess is that some of the vaccinated are experiencing infection and re-infection as they're not able to produce the broad based antibody response that the non vaxxed are and instead are reliant on the spike antibody produced from the vaccine. What we're seeing in the UK, a plateauing of cases at an extraordinary high level with none of the expected peak to trough bell curve we see in typical respiratory viral outbreaks is not normal.

This may also be why vaccinated adults are now showing a far higher prevalence of infection.

Israel dealt with this by rolling out boosters for their entire population, not just the old and deathfats, which has stamped down the case rate and bought them a little more time. The UK will likely do the same during winter, which won't be easy as they'll have to bring in mandates and passports and if that doesn't bully enough people to get the 3rd jab they'll go back into lockdown.

I think governments know that they've fucked up bad with the vaccines, really bad, but they're in no position to admit it. Having to inject millions upon millions of people every few months to stop a vaccine enhanced viral outbreak is an awful situation to be in. What they're hoping is that the next generation of vaccines will solve the problem for them but I'm skeptical.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

That is interesting. People poin to New Zeal and Australia, saying that we should all follow their lead.
However, even if you ignore that we re supposed to wait only 15 days in slowing the inevitable spread, you have me curious on how the lockdown failed there.

And when we talk of Sweden who did the opposite, they put their hands on their ears singing "lalala can't hear you".

 

[borsabil]

So that's in direct contradiction with the recent data from the UK, where the infection rate among vaccinated is higher than among the unvaccinated.
Is it a different strain doing the rounds in Victoria? Considering Australia has been so isolated in recent times, isn't that a possibility?

It's probably true in the first few weeks after the 2nd dose. It's decidedly not true a few months after the 2nd dose.

This is dangerous framing as it's scapegoating the unvaccinated in preparation for the next big outbreak, which in the case of Australia will be late January early February 2022. If you have achieved a 90%+ vaccination rate for a virus with an R0 of less than 3 then you should be comfortable that the virus has been all but eradicated, that's if the vaccines work as advertised. I'm well aware that politicians here are already starting to frame the messaging for next year. They're not worried that a massive infection spike is likely they're absolutely sure of it.

- Putting social restrictions on the unvaxxed and making everyone carry their papers creates a 'them and us' mentality. The small number of people who have refused the vaccine will definitely be blamed for any new outbreaks.
- 3rd dosing and boosters, which are currently optional, will be made mandatory. I expect this to be announced before Christmas.
- The new legal frameworks being passed in most states and territories will allow governments to impose incredibly severe restrictions and punishments including detention of people who continue to refuse vaccination.

Unfortunately this thing isn't even close to being over.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

we re supposed to wait only 15 days in slowing the inevitable spread

That has gone into the memory hole long ago. We were always supposed to lockdown until the virus was completely eradicated.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

That has gone into the memory hole long ago. We were always supposed to lockdown until the virus was completely eradicated.

Just two more weeks.

 

[GAY Ted Wheeler]

How are they defining “cases” and how was the data collected? Without a believable explanation for those two questions none of this matters. Just more garbage analysis to add to the growing stack of junk the brainless public continues to buy for this continued stupidity.

 

[teriyakiburns]

How are they defining “cases” and how was the data collected? Without a believable explanation for those two questions none of this matters. Just more garbage analysis to add to the growing stack of junk the brainless public continues to buy for this continued stupidity.

UK definition is a positive PCR test or antibody test. A covid death is a death within 28 days of a positive test, regardless of cause.

 

[GAY Ted Wheeler]

But who’s collecting collating that data? Here in the colonies (US) you’d be better off asking the Magic 8 ball with the terrible data collection and collation process. That’s to say nothing of most states submitting estimates from models.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

And when we talk of Sweden who did the opposite, they put their hands on their ears singing "lalala can't hear you".

...more like they point at how Australia's cases and eaths are far, FAR lower than Sverige's.

 

[talk sh1t]

@borsabil

I put together a quick calculation of what the number of hospitalizations looks like for the UK, based on the recent UK report. I roughly extracted the population by age from this chart:

United Kingdom Age structure - Demographics

Facts and statistics about the Age structure of United Kingdom. Updated as of 2020.

www.indexmundi.com

There's about 8 to 10 million people in each decade range.

The % of vaccinated by age decade I also roughly extracted form the chart of the UK report.

At the moment there are about 3900 hospitalized unvaccinated people, and almost 5500 hospitalized vaccinated people, for a total of almost 9400 hospitalizations (first half of my crummy excel table). However, if you were to increase the vaccination rates of the least vaccinated groups above 18, to 90% (I pulled that out of my ass but I think it's kind of what they're aiming for), and to 50% for kids below 18, this results in 1'000 less hospitalizations over-all (nearly 8400) (second half of my shitty excel table).

This makes the vaccine still look pretty good, and a strong argument for keeping these numbers at bay with the third booster (or third vaccine, whatever they're calling it...).

I might be off somewhere, so please correct me.

 

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@borsabil

I put together a quick calculation of what the number of hospitalizations looks like for the UK, based on the recent UK report. I roughly extracted the population by age from this chart:

United Kingdom Age structure - Demographics

Facts and statistics about the Age structure of United Kingdom. Updated as of 2020.

www.indexmundi.com

There's about 8 to 10 million people in each decade range.

The % of vaccinated by age decade I also roughly extracted form the chart of the UK report.

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At the moment there are about 3900 hospitalized unvaccinated people, and almost 5500 hospitalized vaccinated people, for a total of almost 9400 hospitalizations (first half of my crummy excel table). However, if you were to increase the vaccination rates of the least vaccinated groups above 18, to 90% (I pulled that out of my ass but I think it's kind of what they're aiming for), and to 50% for kids below 18, this results in 1'000 less hospitalizations over-all (nearly 8400) (second half of my shitty excel table).

This makes the vaccine still look pretty good, and a strong argument for keeping these numbers at bay with the third booster (or third vaccine, whatever they're calling it...).

I might be off somewhere, so please correct me.

So you are really impressed by a potential 25% decrease in hospitalization? That is what your freedom is worth? I see my right to control my body as worth that level of risk, but you can make whatever decision you like. It's when people want to push something onto me every three to six months forever for that 25% risk reduction we are going to have issues. You are still having 75% of your risk of hospitalization after the shot. It's not even a high F.

You are exposing tens of millions of people to mydocarditis risks and other terrible side effects every few months forever to prevent 1000 hospitalizations, not even necessarily ICU cases. Are they even overnights?

It's particularly egregious with the 20million ish kids who would be taking the shot, since they are going to be what, 1% of those hospitalizations. The shots will likely cause more hospitalizations with mydocarditis and blood clots than it prevents from covid in kids. It pretty much just needs to have like 50 cases over the population to do that, which we know the rare occurances of 1:100,000 would still be 200 kids suffering hospitalization due to shot side effects. It's why it was discourage in so many places, including England, I believe, for that age group.

 

[borsabil]

@borsabil

I put together a quick calculation of what the number of hospitalizations looks like for the UK, based on the recent UK report. I roughly extracted the population by age from this chart:

United Kingdom Age structure - Demographics

Facts and statistics about the Age structure of United Kingdom. Updated as of 2020.

www.indexmundi.com

There's about 8 to 10 million people in each decade range.

The % of vaccinated by age decade I also roughly extracted form the chart of the UK report.

View attachment 2675250
At the moment there are about 3900 hospitalized unvaccinated people, and almost 5500 hospitalized vaccinated people, for a total of almost 9400 hospitalizations (first half of my crummy excel table). However, if you were to increase the vaccination rates of the least vaccinated groups above 18, to 90% (I pulled that out of my ass but I think it's kind of what they're aiming for), and to 50% for kids below 18, this results in 1'000 less hospitalizations over-all (nearly 8400) (second half of my shitty excel table).

This makes the vaccine still look pretty good, and a strong argument for keeping these numbers at bay with the third booster (or third vaccine, whatever they're calling it...).

I might be off somewhere, so please correct me.

2834 unvaxxed were hospitalised during the 4 week reporting period. 5124 vaxxed were hospitalised.

1747 of the unvaxxed cases were in the under 50's, almost two thirds. A third of all cases were in the under 30's. Mortality rates among this demographic are negligible, for children zero, and severe illness relatively rare. For example most children in Australia who are 'hospitalised' with Covid are only admitted because a care giver in their household has gotten sick so they're sent in as well as there's no one to look after them and they can't go stay with grandma as they have the coof.

Even if we assume that the reporting criteria for the vaccinated and unvaccinated is exactly the same, and they're not just swabbing every unvaxxed patient that enters an ED to juice the numbers (I believe that's exactly what they're doing) then the benefits from increasing vaccination rates are negligible.

TLDR all the people who are actually at risk from severe illness, and we now know enough about the virus to understand exactly who they are, have almost all been jabbed. The vaccines are leaky and are causing increased overall infection rates. Jabbing children, besides it being utterly immoral to inject them, to 'protect' deathfats and boomers, when they will receive no benefit, is wrong headed on an epidemiological basis.

The 'vaccines' are not in fact vaccines. They were named that as a marketing and branding exercise. They do not produce any kind of reliable or long lasting immunity. They do not prevent transmission or replication of the virus in individuals when they are exposed. The original trials did not present evidence that the mRNA treatments would prevent spread of Covid, it was not in their protocols. They focused entirely on relative risk reduction and adverse events, both of which they clearly gamed by making the trials so short and excluding participants with no proper explanation.

We now have enough real world data to make some conclusions. The vaccines are unfit to be used for population wide inoculation. They give decent benefit to older women with no severe co-morbidity. They give very little benefit to older men or to deathfats. Basically the vaccines are working best, in terms of providing antibody titres that don't disappear completely after a few weeks/months, in the people who don't need to worry about Covid, healthy young adults, particularly young women, who have strong immune systems.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

...more like they point at how Australia's cases and eaths are far, FAR lower than Sverige's.

I guess they didn't count some deaths like for example, that guy who died in a motorcycle crash as covid death.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Hope you all had a comfy and lovely weekend. Might I suggest if people are stocking up on important things you also make sure you buy things to make your homes nicer too?

I suggest especially daylight bulbs for lamps, and indeed lamps too. Good lighting is so good for the mood. Also comfy throws and blankets. If you use mattress protectors and such now is a good time to get them laundered for the coming winter.

Also if you have large freezers do a thorough stocktake, make sure you know what goes put and when. Use things up and replenish as needed.

And make sure to buy extra of things you consider luxuries, be it smokes, alcohol,preferred brands of fabric softener or laundry soap, a favourite shower gel, shampoo or moisturizer.

Look after yourselves and touch base with neighbors and loved ones of you're able to. Check your foot and outerwear. Anything you'll use or need over winter.

Take care of you and yours and get outside and enjoy the season.