Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

just a quickie.
Tube you dumb dumb, thats not a stray cat. Those cats cost like five hundred quid in the uk lmao.
Look at its coat. Just cos it doesn't wear a collar, and is currently outside, does not a stray make.
Like one of these idiots who takes peoples cats to the shelter for walking around on their own street
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Looks like a seal point Birman to me. The prices I found range from $400 US to $850 US.
Is it completely pointless to ask if Olly really is this retarded or is he only pretending?

 

[fax machine]

I agree to an extent. Sperging follows:
Obviously, not every real woman has the genetics that will ensure she still looks feminine when underweight especially if she already has broad shoulders and narrow hips. The comparisons I see made a lot when comparing trans women to real women is often not quite fair in that the real women who are brought up are almost always the epitome of hitting the genetic jackpot in that they hold on to an hourglass resembling shape when thin or have particularly delicate bone structure. Good examples of this would be Mila Kunis and Natalie Portman in Black Swan where both were underweight but their faces didn't get as gaunt looking as a man's would because of their cheekbones and naturally round features. They also had a very clear waist to hip ratio, something most trans women won't have when thin as most of their hip width will come from fat deposits.
So while "get skinny" may sound like good advice for mtfs, it's not always the case. In Euphoria there are lots of scenes putting Zendaya and Hunter Schafer (one of the better passing ones) next to each other and both look borderline underweight. And while it could be worse, Schafer can't hold a candle to someone with a body like Zendaya's who has naturally broad hips. It's one of the key differences I see between men and women: women almost always carry most of their mass in their legs with the upper half of their body looking thin and delicate in comparison, with men it's the other way around and you can see this difference very well in Zendaya & Schafer. The low weight also makes Schafer's naturally large hands and head look much more obvious.
One of the best passing mtfs I've ever seen of those who started HRT after puberty is Andrej Pejic and you can tell she worked her ass off (or on) at the gym as you can see the direct comparisons of her pre-HRT body vs now online. It still looks somewhat underdeveloped in certain areas but it's obvious she made the effort to target specific areas of the body to make the body she had look as much as a woman's as possible. She looks proportional whereas Hunter Schafer (or Contrapoints for that matter) just looks like a straight line in comparison. Also didn't go overboard with the breast implants like Blaire White did which I agree makes the chest look even more massive compared to the lower half of the body.

Anyway, back to Olly. I really think losing weight and hitting the gym to build muscle in targeted areas would be his best bet. Either that or becoming morbidly obese as the difference is harder to tell in extremely fat bodies too. I'm curious to see what he'll do with breast implants if he ever gets them and hasn't grown bored of it by then. If it's the giant bolt on type, it'll make him look much, much worse.

Spoiler: irrelevant longpost sorry

Zendaya and Hunter Schafer are clearly, consistently underweight — a solid point or two over the border. I actually find the Zendaya comparison quite favorable to Hunter: both being tall and skinny, they look at ease with each other in the frame. It would have been harder for Hunter to pass next to a Mila Kunis type. As it is, Hunter has narrower hips and a broader ribcage than Zendaya, but the difference isn't so terrible that a viewer without our special strain of trans Internet poisoning would clock it. There are female women with inverted triangle bodies, too (see Hannah Waddingham, Vittoria Ceretti, Kaia Gerber, Charlene of Monaco). Hunter doesn't seem out of place in that pack unless you see her nude, which most people don't.

For all normal purposes — casual, clothed, without trans shit on the mind — I'm sure Hunter passes. It helps that her voice is pleasant, which is maybe more important than body, and that she embraces androgynous coolness rather than grasping for a hyperfemininity she doesn't have. The gangly art kid look suits her and doesn't set off inauthenticity sirens like many trans people do when they try too hard. I'm convinced that for everyday passing, the minimal formula for maximal success is 1) voice + 2) enough thinness to prevent the torso from looming large over the hips + 3) styling that looks like the choice of a human woman rather than a male gaze parody. Strength training for thighs and ass is a plus, of course, but not essential because clothes can add visual volume.

At the end of the day, if a trans woman wants to pass, I think she should put her energy into the broad strokes and not get too mired in the details. The details will never be right because fighting biology is fucking hard. Making a male resemble a female — truly a female, and not a caricature of femininity — is one of the toughest magic tricks in the social world, and like magic cannot be expected to maintain the illusion without props, beyond the intended context. If you have to take a stab at it for whatever reason, the goal should be everyday functionality. Nail the big things (already a herculean task) and move on. Body obsession is bad for the spirit. You can feed it scraps without being consumed, but you have to put your foot down somewhere.

The problem with most MTF passing attempts is that they misidentify the big things as HAIR and CLOTHES and MAKEUP and BOOBS and then move to shit like skin texture, removal of all hair below the eyelashes, "feminine" gestures that no natural woman would put on, and lazy attempts at voice that raise the pitch but fall far short of sounding female. Claire's voice sounds forced even after seven years of transition. That's a weird choice for a voice teacher, so I have to assume the badness is unintentional. I can't wrap my head around it: going all the way to SRS without nailing the voice. It's like lifting weights on a low protein diet. Doing the most on a foundation of sand.

Yeah if the choices are AGP or....apologies, I know the other one is a gay dude but I don't remember the acronym or what it stands for...I'd go with AGP based purely on the years of crossdressing and how she admits it makes her feel.

(See this is weird, I have no trouble "she/her"-ing Claire....in fact if feels odd to me not to. Maybe because she passes better?)

Also it's surprising how much she reminds me of Contra. Not just because they're blonde Americans. They share quite the physical resemblance despite all that and their "trans journey" or crossdressing years or whatever are also very similar. And the music thing. The main difference I can see reading just this 6 month timeline is the lack of Contra's trademark snarky sarcasm.

But yeah....Olly is fucking insane. I wonder if Claire is aware of how much she mirrors his ex?

Weirdly, Claire doesn't remind me of Contra at all. Block out the blondeness, the Americanness, and the crossdressing, and they're really very different personalities. Contra is an introverted overthinker defined by melancholy, anxiety, and a great streak of self-loathing. Claire is a bubbly theater kid always hustling to promote her ventures and present herself as a success. In that way she's a lot like Olly. I get this match better than the Contra thing.

To be fair, Olly was at least superficially different when the Contra thing went down. Still set off my instinctual cringe response, but not as boldly. I wonder if he shapeshifts to mirror the person he has his eyes on or develops his new persona first, choosing the romantic object that will best accessorize his self-image.

is this supposed to be a brag?

 

[narcissistic injury]

Portlandia - Season 3 - Candace's son visits the feminist bookstore

From the first episode of Season 3. Hilarious.

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Portlandia - Season 3 - Candace's son visits the feminist bookstore

From the first episode of Season 3. Hilarious.

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He unironically passes better than Olly

@fax machine

Weirdly, Claire doesn't remind me of Contra at all. Block out the blondeness, the Americanness, and the crossdressing, and they're really very different personalities. Contra is an introverted overthinker defined by melancholy, anxiety, and a great streak of self-loathing. Claire is a bubbly theater kid always hustling to promote her ventures and present herself as a success. In that way she's a lot like Olly. I get this match better than the Contra thing.

Yeah this is what I meant when I said he seems as much of a social climber as Olly, maybe saying as narcissistic was a bit of a stretch but there are striking similarities between the two. The need to brand themselves as super successful ("business owner" vs. "actress"), turning out tons of shitty content revolving around themselves, the self-importance, heavily promoting their content even when it isn't appropriate (Olly answering fan questions just to promote whatever TV show he'll be on next vs. Claire's heavy self-promotion (screenshots below)), etc. Olly's narcissism is obviously going to present differently than Claire's since their backgrounds are so different. Olly is much more pompous as a result of his upper-class background, while Claire seems better at presenting himself as down-to-earth in his vlogs. I do think they're very similar underneath a few superficial differences.

An example of Claire's self-promotion below, he made 23 different posts in a month about his Vocal Training Scholarship Fund.

Spoiler: .

The pre-transition photos did actually make me think of Nyk before he transitioned. I think it's just the shoulder-length golden blonde hair, that they're both musicians, and both look like the introverted type (though I don't think Claire actually was).

Sidenote he looks very old and male here (early transition photos):

 

[The Mad Pirate]

Claire's voice sounds forced even after seven years of transition. That's a weird choice for a voice teacher, so I have to assume the badness is unintentional. I can't wrap my head around it: going all the way to SRS without nailing the voice. It's like lifting weights on a low protein diet. Doing the most on a foundation of sand.

Troons "feminize" their voice by learning via muscle control to modulate what it is called the R1 tract resonance. Now the degree they manage to do that depends not only on how much they practice but also on how much testosterone affected their throat before trooning out.
Now, your comentary is interesting because when I searched for "R1 tract resonance male ve female", the third result is a blog post about the subject in Claire's website. So Claire is not someone who is ignorant about R1 vocal tract control and how to achieve it.

So, my hypothesis is that Claire inability to completely feminize the voice is due to the effects of pre-trooning testosterone ( he must have had somewhat of a very low register then, I assume ) , something that can only be fixed with a chondrolaryngoplasty ( shortening the thyroid cartilage ).

 

[narcissistic injury]

Claire probably had a shit tonne of testosterone based on her complexion— looks likes she was marred by cystic acne and treated with accutane? (Has that rough rough scarred skin texture and that dry post accutane appearance, especially in that very old and male pic and many similar ones)

Also Claire has a weird vacant affect that gives me a feeling of emptiness that ppl who have cluster b traits have for sure. I agree with above in that Olly is malignant narcissist and neither Claire or Contra come close to the shamelessness and lack of self awareness. He’s on like another playing field altogether. But contra and Claire are both a bit too self preoccupied to the point where it gives me pause for sure. And they both try and play things off as #relatable and it’s like…. No…. This is just not a thing. Contra your drug use freaks ppl out it’s not endearing. Stop #leaningin. Claire you aren’t demonstrating “gender fluality” by being demure and “femme” in a café and then stomping out all “masc” to your motorcycle. You just sound deranged talking about switching genders based on little behaviours and moods.

 

[Ninon42]

Sidenote he looks very old and male here (early transition photos):

He looks like a long-haired Swedish guy. Nothing feminine about him at all, wouldn't be out of place on the streets of Stockholm. Olly sure has a type though.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

The pre-transition photos did actually make me think of Nyk before he transitioned.

Sidenote he looks very old and male here (early transition photos):

Yes absolutely, the similarities are primarily physical. I wouldn't say he looks old there, but his general "look" with the hair, awkward expression, clothes and general vibe reminds me very much of Nykytyne2 days Contra. It's obviously not to the same extent with Claire, but he's got that very masculine young man face, which is where the "old" thing comes from (generally feminine features are more neotenous). However you can still tell he's young here. It's a very specific look some guys have.

There is also the parallel of both Claire and Nick being into crossdressing for a while prior to transition. They both had/have a fetish for femininity. In that sense, this kind of AGP transition is not completely nonsensical. Whereas with Oliver, it was completely out of left field, with no history indicating he has any natural inclination towards femininity, even just aesthetic-wise. I'm convinced Ollie really is a Patrick Bateman, because even compared to other AGPs, his lack of sincerity is palpable.

 

[ProfessorCuckulus]

male and female voices are about 100hrz difference. male starts at around 80hrz and goes down towards 60 or something like that, female at 200hrz and up. the gross middle 100hrz area is the fag dyke zone. troon voice always breaks and starts cracking and going monotone and become that sick shit if they try to force it. thats how we can tell. vocal chords dont lie and dont wanna go further up than they can.

 

[Tombigbee]

Olly posted on his Tumblr - one of his viewers claiming they only just now realized “Abigail” and Oliver are the same person. We are to believe that this person thought PT simply changed hosts or something. Yeah, okay…

 

[PennyAni]

Olly posted on his Tumblr - one of his viewers claiming they only just now realized “Abigail” and Oliver are the same person. We are to believe that this person thought PT simply changed hosts or something. Yeah, okay…

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Hah I saw this post on Reddit. Of course Olly reposted it on another social media. He NEVER. STOPS. BRAGGING. I mean, seriously....I've said it before but his true friends or loved ones really should do some kind of "unrepentant narcissism" intervention on him or something. It will 100% be his downfall.

@fax machine
Weirdly the board wont let me quote or reply your post, but obviously, yes, that "Do it?.....I did it 35 minutes ago" cartoon is a brag. (Q: How do you know when Olly is bragging? A: Is he communicating in any way? Then he's bragging.)

And he's posted that cartoon at least two other times that I can remember. File under "Further Attempts at Self-Memeing One's Awesomeness."

Also agreed with all that Claire and Contra's personalities don't seem to be much of a match; but their resemblance is still so clear (to me, anyway) and is mostly physical in nature. Also the music and "theater kid" thing and just the whole vibe. Yes Claire seems more self-promoting by a mile, but the introverted, uncomfy-in-your-own-skin self-consciousness is like exactly the same. I could picture countless "blonde Americans", even trans ones, who are nothing like Natalie. Claire is definitely not in that camp.

EDIT: .....and I just realized why I dont have a problem "she/her"-ing Claire: Like Contra, I believe she's actually [probably, anyway] trans. What an almost refreshing difference here in this thread lol

 

[Tombigbee]

EDIT: .....and I just realized why I dont have a problem "she/her"-ing Claire: Like Contra, I believe she's actually [probably, anyway] trans. What an almost refreshing difference here in this thread lol

You might want to pop in on the Contra thread. Contra is posting on Instagram that in the last year or so he’s been thinking about detransitioning. (But ultimately deciding not to).

So I’m not quite sure what you mean when you say so-and-so is “actually trans.” I mean maybe to a degree I do - but it’s ultimately irrelevant. You can’t transition from one sex to the other. I guess you mean people who have legit gender dysphoria, as opposed to whatever kink or psychopathy motivated someone like Oliver to trans himself. But as I said at the end of the day they are all kidding themselves. The MtFs are still all “he’s.”

Anyway, sorry if I’m being obtuse. I just found your comment ironic after seeing that Contra is floating “maybe I’m not actually a woman” out there himself.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Tube powah, luvs

It is injection day. (11-1-21)

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[Rekkington]

just a quickie.
Tube you dumb dumb, thats not a stray cat. Those cats cost like five hundred quid in the uk lmao.
Look at its coat. Just cos it doesn't wear a collar, and is currently outside, does not a stray make.
Like one of these idiots who takes peoples cats to the shelter for walking around on their own street
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Olly once again showing an extraterrestrial's understanding of how regular humans live.

 

[PennyAni]

You might want to pop in on the Contra thread. Contra is posting on Instagram that in the last year or so he’s been thinking about detransitioning. (But ultimately deciding not to).

So I’m not quite sure what you mean when you say so-and-so is “actually trans.” I mean maybe to a degree I do - but it’s ultimately irrelevant. You can’t transition from one sex to the other. I guess you mean people who have legit gender dysphoria, as opposed to whatever kink or psychopathy motivated someone like Oliver to trans himself. But as I said at the end of the day they are all kidding themselves. The MtFs are still all “he’s.”

Anyway, sorry if I’m being obtuse. I just found your comment ironic after seeing that Contra is floating “maybe I’m not actually a woman” out there himself.

I just mean that I - personally- believe that Contra and Claire have had/are having the trans experience, whatever the hell that is. I'm buying what they're selling when it comes to being trans. This is an inherently self-centered take, but I think it's the kind of internal judgements we all make. The thing that I don't believe for a second about Olly? I dont have a problem believing it from certain others.

I have been peeking in on the Contra thread recently. Kinda regret it because it exposed me to her twitter, which had definitely made me like her less. I didnt know about the detransing bit. Was she taking the piss or was that generally agreed to be a real take? Damn.

Tube powah, luvs

It is injection day. (11-1-21)

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Take a shot (no pun intended) every time she mentions her "feelings". That must be super exhausting.

Pretty sure tiny air bubbles wont hurt you when you're IMing but what do I know.

 

[narcissistic injury]

I just mean that I - personally- believe that Contra and Claire have had/are having the trans experience, whatever the hell that is. I'm buying what they're selling when it comes to being trans. This is an inherently self-centered take, but I think it's the kind of internal judgements we all make. The thing that I don't believe for a second about Olly? I dont have a problem believing it from certain others.

I have been peeking in on the Contra thread recently. Kinda regret it because it exposed me to her twitter, which had definitely made me like her less. I didnt know about the detransing bit. Was she taking the piss or was that generally agreed to be a real take? Damn.


Take a shot (no pun intended) every time she mentions her "feelings". That must be super exhausting.

Pretty sure tiny air bubbles wont hurt you when you're IMing but what do I know.

Yes bubbles make no fucking sense for an IM (“I’m scared of having a stroke” dim witted twat)


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More fun

 

[Ophelia Jones]

Die of what? Cooming? narcissistic rage? Being fat?

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Die of what? Cooming? narcissistic rage? Being fat?

A severe lack of asspats and fear of imminent cancellation.

 

[The Mad Pirate]

Tube powah, luvs

It is injection day. (11-1-21)

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I'm observing the 2D:4D ratio...woah...that's a fucking lot of testosterone right there ! Man his ring finger is even larger than his middle finger ! FFS, no wonder Claire can't manage to get to a female voice with just voice training !.

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Ohhh and we are bound to believe that somehow this people on HRT lead healthy lives even if by some reason this miss their weekly shot ....

 

[Tombigbee]

How misguided was this? Derp face. Chest hair that appears to be approaching his shoulder. Comically pale, pasty skin. Zero leg hair. Stupid hairstyle. Gross feet. Vaguely feminine pose (go figure). Seriously what was that haircut? How much better he would have looked with a buzz cut or traditional men’s high and tight haircut instead of this faggy borderline mullet. And the facial hair is a mess too.

I don’t mean to bully him for non-troon reasons but it shows how narcissistic and tryhard he’s always been. I’m no beauty, but I wouldn’t present myself visually in such an over the top manner like an asshole. And it’s not like he’s being tongue in cheek or silly. He’s deliberately playing in to his deluded fans’ notion that he’s some kind of sex symbol. Only a narcissist like Oliver could believe that while looking as he does here. Instead of saying, “that’s flattering, but NO WAY!” Leave it to Olly to play right in to it and have zero self awareness.