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So I saw Maya and the Three on Netflix and it's a pretty good miniseries. It's made by Jorge Gutierrez, the guy who created El Tigre and The Book of Life who's yet to really disappoint me. It's a shame the studio shut down because you can tell some story points were a bit rushed. Aside from that, it's beautifully animated, the fight scenes are impressive especially since I wasn't expecting much budgetwise going in, and pretty damn funny.

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I was surprised as hell at the amount of people, main characters included that got killed off. Holy shit does that cartoon have a bodycount
 
I might be the only one, but I do remember the sweet, simpler times when Cartoon Network used to do meta like commercials where it showed your favorite cartoon characters what they do in their spare time:


They also did promos for existing shows as well, but compared to today, the style and imaginative process they did their short commercials would make today’s Cartoon Network look like an unrecognizable network.

Even before I heard of Boomerang when I was younger, it was really true that you can not beat the classics.



 
I might be the only one, but I do remember the sweet, simpler times when Cartoon Network used to do meta like commercials where it showed your favorite cartoon characters what they do in their spare time:


They also did promos for existing shows as well, but compared to today, the style and imaginative process they did their short commercials would make today’s Cartoon Network look like an unrecognizable network.

Even before I heard of Boomerang when I was younger, it was really true that you can not beat the classics.



^This has to be the best one.
 
I think that’s why a lot of modern cartoons tend to fail. If they’re adult cartoons, they don’t have to be as clever to get jokes past the censors, so the writing isn’t as good, and other cartoons think “adult jokes” are sperging about current year politics in the most unoriginal way ever.
True, creators today seem to be more easily dicouraged by censors, thus opting for safer writing.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like younger creators/creatives in general, have very little other interests apart from animation and video games? This can really impact your need to find creative solutions to problems, as well as take risks.

Like older commercial cartoons had tons of influences behind them that were not necessarily related to animation (ok, except maybe John K), for instance, Dexter's lab was partially inspired by Sam Raimi movies! Which makes a lot of sense, not just humor wise, but also in Dexter's approach towards limited animation, as Raimi's films we're low budget at the time and he had to find creative solutions for the shortcomings of production.
Lots of older cartoonists weren't even aware that there are schools teaching animation, and worked in other professions first, or had to adapt to friend groups that were not necessary artists. Stuff like this can be hard but it broadens your horizon on the long run.
Now, due to internet, everyone interested in creative fields finds a like minded group super fast and doesn't need to adapt to different kind of... environments. You just know how to move in this one social setting.
Also, I see a lot of people with a background in comics entering the animation field. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but comics being a bit more limited medium, comic artists don't take sound, timing and (especially) camera into account when boarding. Depending on the show this can turn in it's favor (e.g. Regular Show) or take away in it's impact (e.g. Steven Universe).
There seems to be a lot of importance put into the concept of how cartoons are perceived to the broad population, which I don't think is a concern you should worry about making writing a show. It's not such a big deal really.
Besides, there is whole wide world of animation outside of commercial TV animation and it's awesomeeee

A thing I really wish we're gonna see more of in future TV animation is variety in music *sigh* it was so cool how shows used to have interesting music to create a mood or just play around with it. It gave a show character.
Only recent show right now I can remember that had fun with its use of music is Clarence, otherwise I hear a lots of 8-bit sounds.
I's hard to find Drum'n'Bass as aggressive and dynamic as in PPG lol
 
I might be the only one, but I do remember the sweet, simpler times when Cartoon Network used to do meta like commercials where it showed your favorite cartoon characters what they do in their spare time:


They also did promos for existing shows as well, but compared to today, the style and imaginative process they did their short commercials would make today’s Cartoon Network look like an unrecognizable network.

Even before I heard of Boomerang when I was younger, it was really true that you can not beat the classics.



The golden era of Cartoon Network.
 
I saw that interesting editorial and I thought it might be worth to post here since then the Simpsons didn't predicted this one. :story:
November 4, 2021

A cartoon (not The Simpsons for once) predicts liberal meltdown over 'Lets go, Brandon'​

By Jarrad Winter

Even as a full-grown adult with adult children, I still like cartoons. As I was raising my two sons, I made it a point to usually keep only one TV in the house. If video games were being played, or cartoons being watched, it was always a family affair — and intentionally designed as such. The idea was to compel negotiation, compromise, and good behavior all around. Any fighting over what to watch or play immediately resulted in no one watching or playing anything. Kids like to play and watch, so they naturally figured out how mostly not to fight about these things.

My two all-time favorite cartoons are Avatar: The Last Airbender and Recess. Although Avatar has much wisdom to impart to those who watch with mature minds, Disney's Recess is where the most hysterical and profound understanding of "Let's go, Brandon" can be found.

In the Recess episode below, T.J. — the show's main character — has the whole world brought down on his head for inventing a new word for use by kids wishing to avoid detention for swearing at school. The parallels with the current "Let's go, Brandon" situation are as stark and comical as can be.

It's not often a grown man, a U.S. Marine, no less, implores other adults to watch a cartoon made for children — but that's exactly what's happening here. "Let's go, Brandon" is already the funniest thing ever to those who get the joke, but an entirely different level of appreciation is available for the mere cost of a few minutes of your time. Given the L-G-B-T phenomenon and its inherent power, best cartoon you'll watch all year. I guarantee it.

A couple of weeks ago, I openly predicted the amusing course L-G-B-T would follow:

These simple words form a dangerous concept, and that idea is The People have a right and a duty to resist incompetent, failed, and imposed dictators of all sorts. Obviously, that kind of belief directly threatens the Overlords' grip on the planet. The overwhelming fear that the Nefarious feel can be seen quite clearly in the endless assaults against this family-friendly cry for freedom.
At various times throughout our history "Join, or Die" has been the call of Liberty. In 2021, "Let's Go, Brandon!" serves that very same purpose — and the bad guys know it. The attacks against this 13-letter mantra will continue to increase as its popularity does likewise. The easily predictable result being that the Ruling Class will make complete clowns out of themselves trying to suppress something so innocent at face value.
In light of the fact that a Washington Post reporter angrily tweeted, "Vulgarity stand-in from @SouthwestAir cockpit" after one of her reporters (likely erroneously) heard a Southwest pilot say, "Let's go, Brandon" over the intercom on an airplane, I'd say everything is right on schedule.

The clown show is really just now starting to kick off — so much more hilariousness in store. Thank you, Joey Biden and legacy media, for the already delivered laughs and the many more to come.

Let's go, Brandon!
 
Him was definitely a "Queen" alright.

The irony is in some ways Scrappy is kinda right. He didn't make classic Cartoon Network what it is not by a longshot but people tend to forget he did indeed "save" the Scooby doo Franchise back in 79 when he debuted. Scooby was suffering major failing ratings and needed some kinda hook to get viewers watching again, for better or for worse scrappy was that hook. He was popular with kids and got people watching again, thus ensuring Scooby would be revived for another couple of years.
 
It wasn't so much falling ratings as the network thought Scooby was old and tired. So they kept shaking it up so the show would get renewed. Eventually this led to stuff like 13 Ghosts and A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, which did some very good things with the formula.
 
So I saw Maya and the Three on Netflix and it's a pretty good miniseries. It's made by Jorge Gutierrez, the guy who created El Tigre and The Book of Life who's yet to really disappoint me. It's a shame the studio shut down because you can tell some story points were a bit rushed. Aside from that, it's beautifully animated, the fight scenes are impressive especially since I wasn't expecting much budgetwise going in, and pretty damn funny.

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I was surprised as hell at the amount of people, main characters included that got killed off. Holy shit does that cartoon have a bodycount
I'm not surprised. He's an actual good artist and story teller compare to most cartoon creators these days.
I might be the only one, but I do remember the sweet, simpler times when Cartoon Network used to do meta like commercials where it showed your favorite cartoon characters what they do in their spare time:


They also did promos for existing shows as well, but compared to today, the style and imaginative process they did their short commercials would make today’s Cartoon Network look like an unrecognizable network.

Even before I heard of Boomerang when I was younger, it was really true that you can not beat the classics.



Honselty it's been hard listening to Tom Kane characters after his stroke and retirement. But I should look on the bright side his voice work where always be here.
 
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I might be the only one, but I do remember the sweet, simpler times when Cartoon Network used to do meta like commercials where it showed your favorite cartoon characters what they do in their spare time:


They also did promos for existing shows as well, but compared to today, the style and imaginative process they did their short commercials would make today’s Cartoon Network look like an unrecognizable network.

Even before I heard of Boomerang when I was younger, it was really true that you can not beat the classics.




This was the Golden era of cartoons, not the 90s the Mid 2000s, so much imagination and detail.
 

This was the Golden era of cartoons, not the 90s the Mid 2000s, so much imagination and detail.
Craziest part, most of the older bumps were made with analog video editing, a much harder craft to learn, let alone master. Nearly everything is on a separate layer meaning they had to find every specific animation by watching the old show (or just skimming through) and isolating it, so it can be chroma keyed. This isn't including the subtle edits or down right new drawings/frames.
Long story short, they cared.
 
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So I saw Maya and the Three

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that the show that recently had a doritos commercial where the uncle came back as a ghost for day of the dead and then revealed to his family he found a gay lover in the afterlife? or was that coco or book of life?

I don't HATE those movies or maya and the three i just have a vague recollection of that happening to one of those three recently.
 
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correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that the show that recently had a doritos commercial where the uncle came back as a ghost for day of the dead and then revealed to his family he found a gay lover in the afterlife? or was that coco or book of life?

I don't HATE those movies or maya and the three i just have a vague recollection of that happening to one of those three recently.
What? No man, the doritos commercial with the gay uncle is its own thing. Nothing to do with the others
 
sorry sorry it's just 3d animation? mexicans and day of the dead? All these animated works are starting to blur together into one. Can you blame me for thinking they were all the same?
I'll admit I do get the Book of Life and Coco confused sometimes. They came out pretty close to each other and have similar themes.
 
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Craziest part, most of the older bumps were made with analog video editing, a much harder craft to learn, let alone master. Nearly everything is on a separate layer meaning they had to find every specific animation by watching the old show (or just skimming through) and isolate it so it can be chroma keyed. This isn't including the subtle edits or down right new drawings/frames.
Long story short, they cared.
I'm glad you understand this! Those guys really knew their craft.
 
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