- Joined
- Jul 25, 2019
Some minor stuff. It's not really needed as nobody is disputing Kyle shot them.
Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….
- Thread starter Random Internet Person
- Start date
- Status
vulg
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2021
did you know rittenhouse's lawyer used to review star wars films on youtube?
- Joined
- Apr 15, 2021
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2016
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2019
Emotional responses. They're trying to make the jury -- made up of 11 white women, apparently, because the defense attorney did absolutely fuck all Jury prep according to Barnes on Nick's stream today -- emotionally disgusted with death and gore... and to then put that disgust on Kyle.
At the same time, if he not convicted it sets back the gun grabbing agenda by 20 years or more.
vulg
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2021
whats wrong with your biceeeeeeeeep
- Joined
- Dec 19, 2019
Kyle's attorney is apparently incompetent according to the people in this thread, however his case for acquittal is much stronger than Chauvin's was. That makes me think this will end in a mistrial or a hung jury possibly and I voted accordingly.
- Joined
- May 23, 2020
It's unfortunate that in both cases where the Prosecution was reemed out by Schroeder (first in the pre-trial and again today) the Jury was unable to be present for his most striking comments. It's nice for us on the outside, but kind of useless for the Jury, which is what matters most.
Even so, his speech today about the onslaught of Media misinformation combined with the current severe lack of public trust in our modern institutions, and his hope to restore it, was something that I greatly appreciated. His recognition of the weight this trial carries in how people will perceive the justice system moving forward was almost quaint, like it harkened back to another era. It was the most grounded thing I've heard in a long while.
Schroeder has done an exemplary job so far and has exceeded my expectations, and personally I don't have any huge issues with the Defense (aside from Jury selection). I've watched the entire trial raw, so I don't have the added commentary I'm sure a lot of people here are getting, but from my perspective the Prosecution has meandered aimlessly around the events of Kenosha to such an awful degree that the entire day would be wasted having to object to the entirety of their verbal diarrhea, and it would probably just piss the Jury off.
The Defense did the right thing; they started their opening statement off with the facts, and now the Prosecution has to try to color the narrative. They knew the Prosecution was going to run with the Media's current framing so they got ahead of it, and now is not the time to get bogged down in what they already established. Their time to strike will come, Jury attention is a limited resource.
Frankly, Rittenhouse is so obviously innocent that no matter how hard they try to work the footage, or try to slip commentary into their evidence, no matter what they do he always comes out looking good. I mean it's just SHOCKING how innocent Rittenhouse looks. The only thing close to damming would be his comments the few days(day?) prior to the shooting, and really at best that's all the Prosecution seems to have so far.
But throughout all of this I have to remind myself to try to see this through the eyes of the Jury, not my own, because the Jury either doesn't know the details or they have been primed to see Rittenhouse as an "active shooter" by the Media.
This is the eyes that are likely in the Jury, the eyes of my nightmares:
The dim, slightly drooped, nearly lifeless eyes we all know and hate.
We've all seen these eyes throughout our lives, we meet people with these eyes at work, at our schools, in our meetings, out on the street. These are the eyes of people who believe that their opinions are facts. The eyes of the people who prioritize public opinion or the "public good". When you show them the truth, their drooped eyes stare through the page or screen, and they say "I just feel like that's wrong".
If people with these fucking eyes are in the Jury, it won't matter what the evidence says.
Even so, his speech today about the onslaught of Media misinformation combined with the current severe lack of public trust in our modern institutions, and his hope to restore it, was something that I greatly appreciated. His recognition of the weight this trial carries in how people will perceive the justice system moving forward was almost quaint, like it harkened back to another era. It was the most grounded thing I've heard in a long while.
Schroeder has done an exemplary job so far and has exceeded my expectations, and personally I don't have any huge issues with the Defense (aside from Jury selection). I've watched the entire trial raw, so I don't have the added commentary I'm sure a lot of people here are getting, but from my perspective the Prosecution has meandered aimlessly around the events of Kenosha to such an awful degree that the entire day would be wasted having to object to the entirety of their verbal diarrhea, and it would probably just piss the Jury off.
The Defense did the right thing; they started their opening statement off with the facts, and now the Prosecution has to try to color the narrative. They knew the Prosecution was going to run with the Media's current framing so they got ahead of it, and now is not the time to get bogged down in what they already established. Their time to strike will come, Jury attention is a limited resource.
Frankly, Rittenhouse is so obviously innocent that no matter how hard they try to work the footage, or try to slip commentary into their evidence, no matter what they do he always comes out looking good. I mean it's just SHOCKING how innocent Rittenhouse looks. The only thing close to damming would be his comments the few days(day?) prior to the shooting, and really at best that's all the Prosecution seems to have so far.
But throughout all of this I have to remind myself to try to see this through the eyes of the Jury, not my own, because the Jury either doesn't know the details or they have been primed to see Rittenhouse as an "active shooter" by the Media.
This is the eyes that are likely in the Jury, the eyes of my nightmares:
The dim, slightly drooped, nearly lifeless eyes we all know and hate.
We've all seen these eyes throughout our lives, we meet people with these eyes at work, at our schools, in our meetings, out on the street. These are the eyes of people who believe that their opinions are facts. The eyes of the people who prioritize public opinion or the "public good". When you show them the truth, their drooped eyes stare through the page or screen, and they say "I just feel like that's wrong".
If people with these fucking eyes are in the Jury, it won't matter what the evidence says.
Ancient Pioneer
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 27, 2019
Who cares, its common for family to be heavily involved in politics and civil service. I don't believe the mayor was particularly responsible for "letting Kenosha burn." The real issue was the lack of manpower to enforce law and order, the Governor refusing to deploy the NG also played a major factor as well. The civic government of Kenosha was dealt a fucking shit hand and muddled through about as well as it could. That anyone is a cousin or nephew or related in any way is irrelevant to the case and this kind of alluding to some sort of conspiracy doesn't help anyone.
JoeBidenSniffMe
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 28, 2021
- Joined
- Apr 17, 2019
Not to be too big a faggot but that's actually what you would do.
Priority goes Upper Airway, Circulatory, Respiratory, Central Nervous, Outer Nervous, although I've forgotten the specific terms for this.
In wilderness rescue situations for example, if you had a patient with a unstable spinal injury, water in the lungs, and unstable femur fracture(likely to rupture femoral artery if you move them), and you can't find a pulse, you are literally supposed to rip them out of the water as soon as reasonably possible and start CPR because that artery means jack shit if there no heart to pump the blood. Sometimes they die. Oh well. They would have been dead anyway. Obvious mouth blockages because you can't do CPR if it's blocked.
Not that these idiots know better. There's a lot to medicine in these situations. You joke about neck tourniquets but they Israeli's apparently have some that actually work if you manage to get it on and inflated in like 8 seconds. I've tied a tourniquet to stop moderately heavy but non serious bleeding. You use it to stop the bleeding and clean the wound, apply the bandage, loosen it up, and make sure it stops.
I still can't believe slapping a medic badge on yourself and saying your a medic is fine, but if I approach a crying child with a broken leg and tell them I'm WFR instead of WFA they can sue me for impersonating someone of a higher rank. Fucking clown world.
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2020
The thing that gives me hope is seeing how quiet the jury has been. It's clear this judge isn't playing along with the media circus that might actually make this a fair trial. So far 95% in full aquittal on the charges. Sure the jury might be tampered but I'm doubting it. I'm saying this Kyle rittenhouse will probably get off and when he does it's going to be great for the online right.
- Joined
- Jul 25, 2019
Eh, after cooling down on it, it was 1 bad day with 2 witnesses who only exist to get video in the record. They were boring and let the prosecution walk all over them on minor things, but nothing BAD happened.
I also still contend that this was decided on jury selection. 1 good juror makes this. There are probably only a few percent of people that could be swayed either way.
- Joined
- May 23, 2020
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2021
I'm a defense lawyer and I think the defense really fucked up today.
That said the prosecution is equally as bad so it kind of cancels out.
That said the prosecution is equally as bad so it kind of cancels out.
- Joined
- Jul 25, 2019
95%? This case was all jury selection and something like 60% of Kenoshans presume Kyle guilty. Mistrial. Also the underage gun charge. I'm with Rackets that it doesn't apply, but the judge hasn't ruled that is and it's not been argued properly yet. If that gets to the jury it's likely a conviction, albeit on a misdemeanor.
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2020
The thing is Kenosha Wisconsin is a red city remember in 2020 Trump won in Kenosha county. Also the polls that says Kyle rittenhouse was in the wrong I gaurnetee you those were mainstream media push polls. If you talk to people in Kenosha themselves they will tell you most of the city is rooting for the kid. Remember polls can be manipulated and most times are often manipulated.
- Joined
- Jul 25, 2019
Nah, I'm drunkenly recalling Barnes's jury selection polls. I cannot give you the exact numbers, but if they were voting immediately after selection with a random jury it was an extremely high chance of mistrial. IDK what that means exactly in Wisconsin though.
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2020
- Joined
- Aug 28, 2018
Holy fuck it's so frustrating, Richards will take half an hour to get 3/4 of the way to making a decent point and then just change tacks for no reason whatsoever. He's just throwing half-baked arguments at the wall, in random and confusing sequences, instead of building a narrative and hammering the key points home.
If Kyle does get off, it's going to be in spite of his defense team, not because of it. A lawyer on par with Chauvin's would have made this practically a slam-dunk, but instead we're going to have to wait in suspense and hope the jury can put together the puzzle pieces for themselves at the end.
The prosecution's performance is understandable given their shit case, but with Kyle's lawyer it's like watching them miss shots on open net.
- Status