Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

What do you think will happen?

  • Guilty on all charges

    Votes: 282 8.8%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 1,077 33.7%

  • Mistral

    Votes: 264 8.3%

  • Mixture of verdicts

    Votes: 479 15.0%

  • Minecraft

    Votes: 213 6.7%

  • Roblox

    Votes: 132 4.1%

  • Runescape

    Votes: 203 6.3%

  • Somehow Guilty Of Two Mutually Exclusive Actions

    Votes: 514 16.1%

  • KYLE WILL SUBMIT TO BBC

    Votes: 35 1.1%
  • Total voters
    3,199
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Meat Target said:
Well, Binger isn't stupid. Would he really bring him on if there was even a slight chance of him becoming a hostile witness.
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He probably has to is the problem. You generally have to present the alleged victim in court. There can be both confrontation clause issue and corpus delecti problems if you don't.
 
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AnOminous said:
Mistrial is when the case has been hopelessly derailed, or "rendered invalid through an error in the proceedings," although it also encompasses deliberate misconduct. Dismissal is the result, but can be with or without prejudice. The default is without prejudice, and the case can be brought again, but with prejudice amounts in effect to an acquittal as the case cannot be tried again.

If the prosecution merely absolutely fails to prove their case, that's a different thing called a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. The defense can file a motion for this (or the court can rule it sua sponte) at the end of the prosecution's case, and if they have done so, again after the verdict. This is a different result and is not a dismissal, but outright counts as an acquittal.
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That's interesting, I'm pretty sure you keep your case number on a mistrial here, so I don't really think of it as a "dismissal" because it's treated more like a motion for new trial. I actually didn't know they did it differently other places.
 
waffle said:
He probably has to is the problem. You generally have to present the alleged victim in court. There can be both confrontation clause issue and corpus delecti problems if you don't.
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Why even pursue the reckless endangerment charges when the complaining witness to them could jeopardize the murder charges? Unless Binger is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.
 
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This defense is fucking terrible holy shit.
Are they holding their family ransom or something, is that why they purposely fuck it up?
 
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What would the pros and cons be of Kyle firing his attorney right now?
 
catpin said:
This defense is fucking terrible holy shit.
Are they holding their family ransom or something, is that why they purposely fuck it up?
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Attorneys are a circlejerking clique. They all know each other.
thismanlies said:
What would the pros and cons be of Kyle firing his attorney right now?
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Pros: there's a chance Barnes and Einstein will swoop in, knock Binger on his ass, get Kyle acquitted on all charges, and everyone will clap.

Cons: he could get a worse attorney who is not familiar with the case, he probably can't afford one, and it would complicate things.
 
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thismanlies said:
What would the pros and cons be of Kyle firing his attorney right now?
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Pro: He doesn't have a retard traitor attorney.
Con: His new one might be doubly retarded and traitorous.

The obvious solution is to hire this thread as his new counsel, we can guarantee loyalty at least. (Plus we have some dank memes to enter as evidence.)
 
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thismanlies said:
What would the pros and cons be of Kyle firing his attorney right now?
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Pros: replacing him with a different attorney that can object and actually does his job

Cons: that attorney has to read/watch upon 3/4 court dates to be totally in the loop
 
Meat Target said:
Why even pursue the reckless endangerment charges when they could jeopardize the murder charges?
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Pigs get fat, but hogs get slaughtered.

He's probably thinking that it's an opportunity to get a bunch of extra shit in to cloud the issue more. The prosecutors only real chance is to confuse the jury and he's prob thinking it's an extra chance to confuse them, but it's risky.
 
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JohnDoe said:
Pro: He doesn't have an exceptional individual traitor attorney.
Con: His new one might be doubly exceptional and traitorous.

The obvious solution is to hire this thread as his new counsel, we can guarantee loyalty at least. (Plus we have some dank memes to enter as evidence.)
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Did something new and awful happen, or just more of the same?
 
Heh, the sleepy lawyer finally perked up enough to object.
 
I'm watching it with Nick commentary, so I'm behind. But, I'm kind of starting to wonder if Richards primary strategy is angling towards a dismissal for prosecutorial misconduct (which is insane as a plan A). His primary focus seems to be on the phone and FBI stuff.
 
waffle said:
I'm watching it with Nick commentary, so I'm behind. But, I'm kind of starting to wonder if Richards primary strategy is angling towards a dismissal for prosecutorial misconduct (which is insane as a plan A). His primary focus seems to be on the phone and FBI stuff.
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That seems like a long shot. All he needs is to stick to the law and the facts. The law and the facts will trump all of Binger's oily shenanigans.
 
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I'm watching it with Nick commentary, so I'm behind. But, I'm kind of starting to wonder if Richards primary strategy is angling towards a dismissal for prosecutorial misconduct (which is insane as a plan A). His primary focus seems to be on the phone and FBI stuff.
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I’m at the point of wondering if Richard hasn’t been paid off or threatened to throw the case. This seems just so incredibly bizarre.
 
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waffle said:
That's interesting, I'm pretty sure you keep your case number on a mistrial here, so I don't really think of it as a "dismissal" because it's treated more like a motion for new trial. I actually didn't know they did it differently other places.
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The prosecution can immediately move to retry but if they don't, the defense can bring a motion to dismiss which is generally automatically granted. I think it's usually something like 10 days. So you're right, it isn't just instantly a dismissal (unless it is).
 
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waffle said:
I'm watching it with Nick commentary, so I'm behind. But, I'm kind of starting to wonder if Richards primary strategy is angling towards a dismissal for prosecutorial misconduct (which is insane as a plan A). His primary focus seems to be on the phone and FBI stuff.
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That would be absolutely fucking stupid. He's got a great set of facts, he's got the law on his side, he has the video and a friendly eye witness. He's got such a strong case that making it should be his first, second and third priority. Making a motion to dismiss is always risky, you can't depend on such a thing, and you damn sure can't sacrifice your main case for it.

It's like spending all your money on deluxe ultra airbags when your brakes desperately need an overhaul.
 
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