US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[thismanlies]

Feds going after Project Veritas. The Department of Justice literally said 'Dont talk about this or else'...And immediately the NYT contacted Veritas about the search warrant. How did NYT know about the search warrant when the DoJ literally said 'Dont talk about this' to Veritas?

I also noticed that new york times published their article about the same time this was published.

The glowies probably leaked it themselves so they could run to a judge and say "Your honor, here's a list of people we need to get search warrants for because someone told the press about our super-duper secret investigation."

 

[Oxous]

After House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said 2 hours ago he didn't know if there would be a vote, Pelosi has announced a vote. And this time it seems like the infrastructure bill might actually get passed?

Meanwhile:

Jayapal is saying apparently that she won't support it. The wording is really confusing on this.
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Yeah this is just really confusing shit atm. My best guess is that inbetween a shuffling of cards/loyalties behind the scenes and this surprise vote announcement, there's a lot of tripping up happening right now over who's supporting, who's against and on what terms.

Jayapal is saying two things here.

1. Infrastructure bill and BBB still need to pass together.
2. BUT if the centrists in the Blue Dog Coalition want to wait until Thanksgiving for a CBO score, she's fine with that and the progressives will wait until the CBO score comes out.

So the progressives and centrists have seemingly formed an unholy alliance. This is my best reckoning of the situation.

 

[Salubrious]

After House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said 2 hours ago he didn't know if there would be a vote, Pelosi has announced a vote. And this time it seems like the infrastructure bill might actually get passed?
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Jayapal is saying that, as unofficial interim leader of the Progressives, she will support what is essentially an effort by the centrists in the Blue Dog Coalition to get BBB stalled in the house until Thanksgiving. Confusing stuff.

There's two separate bills: Infrastructure and Build Back Better

Others can comment if I am wrong, but the hold up to the Infrastructure bill is that the Progressive Democrats say they won't vote for it unless Manchin and Sinema get on board with the $3.5T BBB bill. So if the Infrastructure bill passes, that's basically the Progressives bending the knee to Pelosi. That's why Jayapal, who has taken the reigns from AOC on the Progressive side now, is still demanding that both bills pass at once.

Also, archive just in case.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

This is why Cher is not on my list of beloved older women. She has lost it.

If you of all people say she’s too crazy to be around, then I’m genuinely afraid of ever meeting her.

 

[Scale Smerch]

Jayapal is saying apparently that she won't support it. The wording is really confusing on this.

I'll be incredibly surprised if the progressives fold on this and vote for the infrastructure package separately. There's been a lot of messaging since Tuesday out of them insinuating how the public is turning against the Dems because they aren't going full throttle into woke economics. Plus decoupling the removes any remaining leverage they have - and they have a good deal right now.

Until more comes out this screams like Pelosi believing third time is the charm when it comes to progressive bluff calling.

 

[Oxous]

I'll be incredibly surprised if the progressives fold on this and vote for the infrastructure package separately. There's been a lot of messaging since Tuesday out of them insinuating how the public is turning against the Dems because they aren't going full throttle into woke economics. Plus decoupling the removes any remaining leverage they have - and they have a good deal right now.

Until more comes out this screams like Pelosi believing third time is the charm when it comes to progressive bluff calling.

I think the problem going on here is that the progressives were previously signalling for some inexplicable reason that they might be willing to pass Infrastructure first. So Pelosi thinks it's now than never and announces a third vote, although she hasn't given a date on when it's going to happen yet.

And then Jayapal has just now come out and reiterated their original demand: Infrastructure and BBB must be voted on together. But then she adds a bombshell: she says "if our six colleagues still want to wait for a CBO score, we would agree to give them that time after which point we can vote on both bills together."

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

I think the problem going on here is that the progressives were previously signalling for some inexplicable reason that they might be willing to pass Infrastructure first. So Pelosi thinks it's now than never and announces a third vote, although she hasn't given a date on when it's going to happen yet.

And then Jayapal has just now come out and reiterated their original demand: Infrastructure and BBB must be voted on together. But then she adds a bombshell: she says "if our six colleagues still want to wait for a CBO score, we would agree to give them that time after which point we can vote on both bills together."

The Progs are really sticking the knife in the Admin gut and twisting it. The Admin has had their talking heads out all day today spreading the “GOP are obstructing the bills” narrative. Now the Progs have set up a situation where they very visibly are the ones obstructing. So the Admin is denied the passage of anything, thereby denying the Admin a win they badly need, PLUS it shows the Nation and the World that although Pelosi may still be Speaker, she no longer runs the House.

I may be wrong, but that’s what it looks like to me. Progs are feeling their oats and the Establishmentarians are knocked back on their heels

 

[Scale Smerch]

I think the problem going on here is that the progressives were previously signalling for some inexplicable reason that they might be willing to pass Infrastructure first. So Pelosi thinks it's now than never and announces a third vote, although she hasn't given a date on when it's going to happen yet.

Might be the case, Zerohedge brought up a nugget of analysis from ACG Analytics indicating just that:

This week´s election results may, however, have accelerated a process that was already beginning: divorcing the $1.2 trillion bipartisan Senate-passed infrastructure bill from the woes of the Reconciliation bill. This week, in a seemingly inexplicable change of position, House Progressives signaled that they were ready to pass the infrastructure bill without “ironclad” assurances of the Reconciliation framework (still being negotiated) being acceptable to all 50 Senators.
Less than a week ago, the same House Democrats refused to back down from their position, embarrassing President Biden internationally, and buttressing critics of Democrats in Washington, D.C.—Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe included—who argue that the Party is governing in a dysfunctional manner.
As House Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) put it: “The President says he can get 51 votes for the bill. We are going to trust him...We’re tired of continuing to wait for one or two people.” What a difference 3 days makes.
In the face of Tuesday night’s election results, moderates are already calling again for passage of infrastructure bill. But if the votes are not yet there for the Reconciliation bill, many Democrats will have to decide whether a morale-improving legislative victory is worth breaking their promise that both bills would move more or less simultaneously.

IMO this is definitely another bluff, but we'll just have to wait and see if it actually works this time.

 

[Salubrious]

Plus decoupling the removes any remaining leverage they have - and they have a good deal right now.

Do they really have leverage though?

I mean, they are demanding that the BBB be voted on, in its $3.5T entirety. That's never going to happen, especially now that Virginia has gone red. Even if they can follow Sinema into enough bathrooms, Manchin is never going for this.

So instead of taking their "leverage" and doing something productive with it, they are wasting it on something that is never going to happen.

I mean, they have "leverage" in the sense that they can blame Manchin for "ruining the country" I guess, but good luck with that one year from now.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

So instead of taking their "leverage" and doing something productive with it, they are wasting it on something that is never going to happen.

So, par for the course for the progressives, then?

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Might be the case, Zerohedge brought up a nugget of analysis from ACG Analytics indicating just that:

IMO this is definitely another bluff, but we'll just have to wait and see if it actually works this time.

It’s going to be interesting.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I'm surprised it was the same Matt Walsh who appears on Tucker. Then again he does host folks of that sort, who think Trump needs to just disappear.

I kind of can: If Trump gets back into power this creates an issue for their subscribers. When democrats or those in the republican party who are limpwristed get into power it gives drama to talk about which fuels their subscribers. Keep a constant pattern of "Trump is awesome and does more awesome." It starts to cause a decline in the viewership and partially threatens their job long terms.

When democrats cause issues, Dailywire and more get constant subscribers, when Trump solves those issues it creates a soft comfort and lowers it. In a sense people weren't lying when they said Trump was the enemy of the entire press, his existence threatens all of them including the likes of Matt Walsh ad they know it, and they'd rather maintain such a job even if it means the states are in a precarious situation. Journalists are scum.

 

[Salubrious]

I kind of can: If Trump gets back into power this creates an issue for their subscribers. When democrats or those in the republican party who are limpwristed get into power it gives drama to talk about which fuels their subscribers. Keep a constant pattern of "Trump is awesome and does more awesome." It starts to cause a decline in the viewership and partially threatens their job long terms.

When democrats cause issues, Dailywire and more get constant subscribers, when Trump solves those issues it creates a soft comfort and lowers it. In a sense people weren't lying when they said Trump was the enemy of the entire press, his existence threatens all of them including the likes of Matt Walsh ad they know it, and they'd rather maintain such a job even if it means the states are in a precarious situation. Journalists are scum.

That's a good point actually. Look at what's happened to CNN and MSNBC since Biden took office.

I'd bet, MSNBC especially, is praying that the Democrat bloodbath next year will bring their numbers back up.

 

[Stoneheart]

I think the problem going on here is that the progressives were previously signalling for some inexplicable reason that they might be willing to pass Infrastructure first. So Pelosi thinks it's now than never and announces a third vote, although she hasn't given a date on when it's going to happen yet.

OR the got enough GOP votes to push ahead and realy want that succes more than they fear the commies in their party...

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Do they really have leverage though?

I mean, they are demanding that the BBB be voted on, in its $3.5T entirety. That's never going to happen, especially now that Virginia has gone red. Even if they can follow Sinema into enough bathrooms, Manchin is never going for this.

So instead of taking their "leverage" and doing something productive with it, they are wasting it on something that is never going to happen.

I mean, they have "leverage" in the sense that they can blame Manchin for "ruining the country" I guess, but good luck with that one year from now.

They have a lot of bodies they can throw. That’s leverage in itself, especially when shit’s this fractured on their end.

 

[Oxous]

I think the problem going on here is that the progressives were previously signalling for some inexplicable reason that they might be willing to pass Infrastructure first. So Pelosi thinks it's now than never and announces a third vote, although she hasn't given a date on when it's going to happen yet.

And then Jayapal has just now come out and reiterated their original demand: Infrastructure and BBB must be voted on together. But then she adds a bombshell: she says "if our six colleagues still want to wait for a CBO score, we would agree to give them that time after which point we can vote on both bills together."

Also, Blue Dog Ed Case claims there are more moderates that oppose the current plan for BBB but haven't publically expressed it yet. There's that Fifth Column...

 

[Scale Smerch]

Do they really have leverage though?

I mean, they are demanding that the BBB be voted on, in its $3.5T entirety. That's never going to happen, especially now that Virginia has gone red. Even if they can follow Sinema into enough bathrooms, Manchin is never going for this.

They definitely have leverage in the sense of holding control over the fate of House legislation much like Manchin (and Sinema) do for the Senate. I think they know full well they won't get what they want, but giving in now removes any sort of power. If Pelosi can get the infrastructure bill through after all that stonewalling, the progressives are a lame duck who will be mocked and ridiculed for any further obstinance on other legislation (and Pelosi won't waste such an opportunity).

And all that's before touching on midterm season kicking off in a few months. Guaranteed a lot of these moves are being made in relation to next November and shoring up voter support. Doesn't really matter if the progressives don't get what they want out of this, they can use any failure on it to bash the moderate opposition during their primaries and structure their midterm messaging.

 

[Salubrious]

Also, Blue Dog Ed Case claims there are more moderates that oppose the current plan for BBB but haven't publically expressed it yet. There's that Fifth Column...
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The rats are all abandoning the sinking ship.

 

[Oats12345]

So how many announce democrat retirements are there wait now

 

[Blackhole]

So how many announce democrat retirements are there wait now

hey man you need some aspirin?