Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Tombigbee]

Particularly insulting how as of late, whenever there's long quotes, he just 'bla bla bla's them and piles them 'comedically' all over the screen, like, you dont have to worry about that, AbiGaOuL will think it all out for you.

Lol, right? I couldn’t believe that nonsense when I saw it. It’s condescending to his audience but it’s also so fucking lazy. I don’t even think he reads all the shit he claims to. Like, I’ve never read a page of Foucault, but I have a general sense of some of his writings. How easy would it be for me to talk about Foucault’s ideas while Power/Prisons/Sexuality/AIDS/PostModernism or random quotes I didn’t read flash on the screen all jumbled to signal that I know what I’m talking about? That’s pretty much what Oliver does. It’s unreal. Oh also I guess he would don a bald skull cap and a leather jacket while he does it too. Then collects 50K or whatever. Douche.

But anyway I quoted your post cause I wanted to say that Oliver did actually disavow the technique you describe (in one of the live streams). He said many in his audience felt like they were being talked down to. Uh duh. It must have been enough people commenting negatively for him to acknowledge that the Trans Princess made a mistake.

For those who don’t know, Oliver has three criteria to judge his artistic creations (shitty YouTube videos) and he pretentiously recites them in each live stream.

1). Was the video made out of intellectual curiosity?

2). Was it made out of kindness towards others and himself?

3), I forget the third one. Did the video give “Abigail” a boner or further his craven ambition and megalomaniacal aims probably.

And anyway how obnoxious is Number 2? His “we go high” Michelle Obama cosplay is so phony. He made a big to-do in his coming out video that people should be kind to everyone, even those who aren’t kind to him. Maybe you all remember. He said it in the most dramatic fashion possible. It’s such an obvious facade because even on his degenerate podcasts he shit talks people and generally belchs and farts and acts like a little smug fuck. Then when he makes his next PT video he returns to his genteel lady shtick. It’s so fucking disingenuous. I wish his fans would comment something like “you know we can see your non-Phiolsophy Tube content, right?”

 

[AfghanBlue]

He made a big to-do in his coming out video that people should be kind to everyone, even those who aren’t kind to him. Maybe you all remember. He said it in the most dramatic fashion possible. It’s such an obvious facade because even on his degenerate podcasts he shit talks people and generally belchs and farts and acts like a little smug fuck. Then when he makes his next PT video he returns to his genteel lady shtick. It’s so fucking disingenuous. I wish his fans would comment something like “you know we can see your non-Phiolsophy Tube content, right?”

He personally isnt even kind to people who ARE kind to him. See: every interaction he has with his fans on tumblr and reddit.
Flippant, using them as unwilling straight men in his flat jokes at best, or chiding them for some pronoun infraction / mistake on the finer details of Tubexistence, and making them feel like a tit.

Its the classic, sucking up /trying to sell himself to people who dont gaf about him or who he admires, Vs ... well, I cant work out wether its treating em mean to keep em keen-or- the little social outcast's thrill at getting to be cruel- or- he flat out just doesnt give a shit once people are onside, just moves on to the next.

Likely he deep down knows how much he sucks and so anyone who likes him must suck too. The ol' groucho marx.

 

[Tombigbee]

This an excerpt from Men. Abuse. Trauma. I guess Oliver was self aware once upon a time, lol:

I had very few friends. Which was my fault. I mean, I alienated them. I was just a colleague, to most. I can’t think of a single person who looked forward to seeing me. In fact, frequently it was the opposite. Professionally I was replaceable. Artistically I was invisible. My YouTube channel was deeply immoral. It betrayed a deep character flaw in me and it was the kind of trash that really only someone without a creative soul can even make. If you ran an infrared scanner over me I wouldn’t show up. Dogs ignore me in the street. And the reason they do is because I don’t have a soul. I’m just a horrible, fleshy, English robot that’s gradually breaking.

 

[AfghanBlue]

This an excerpt from Men. Abuse. Trauma. I guess Oliver was self aware once upon a time, lol:

now you see, it’s when i see old stuff like that, that i get the flash of pity for him and remember why i even watched some of his videos at one point. seriously what the fuck happened to him.

 

[ooooooooookie]

It's such a stark contrast, but it also seems very in line with his character.
He can recognize that something is wrong. He knows that he feels like a fraud, he knows his acting skills are not up to par, and he knows that he alienates people somehow. All of those things can be fixed.
But instead of addressing those actual things, he sees it as deeply personal flaws that prove something is wrong with him. It makes him feel bad, but he doesn't address the issues, instead he tries to fix his feelings.
He could train to be a better actor, but instead the narcissism steps in and says "No, you need to fix how people perceive you as an actor!", because the acting is not as important as how people see him as an actor. Then he can feel better, but comes back to the issues and gets upset once again when they have not magically gone away.

The Men. Abuse. Trauma. video felt like a good video because the conclusion should have been "it's time to move on from feeling worthless", but instead he is back to square one.
The difference is that before he was blaming himself for everything, but now he has become trans, and has a scapegoat he can blame for not letting him be trans enough and live to the fullest.
I'm sure the whole "trans=happy"-thing must feel great, but if you can blame everything on being trans, how are you ever going to fix your actual problems? The trans people who could succeed would be the ones who accept being trans and move on.
But instead here is the same pattern again, and it's him tweeting and blaming other people for not letting trans people "live".

 

[PennyAni]

now you see, it’s when i see old stuff like that, that i get the flash of pity for him and remember why i even watched some of his videos at one point. seriously what the fuck happened to him.

I guess he started to believe his own hype. And ofc wanted to be Contra.

This "Abigail" is just so fake and wrong, every word is calculated and people are obvs. picking up on it. I think before, there used to at least be a bit of what seemed like humility. Some self-deprecating humor. He cant do that anymore; itngoes against hisbweird ethos of "no negative things ever" because that will give the transphobes ammunition or whatever. The logic is insane. I still remember the livestream where he stopped one swoony atmospheric song to skip another swoony atmospheric song because "it's not happy". Wtf is that? There's natural wholesome, which people like....then there's this falsetto Micky Mouse-voiced "we are all happy all the time life is just Disneyworld" weirdness that NOBODY likes and NOBODY believes. It's just freaking people out, Olly. Stoppit. Try and be real for a fucking second.

 

[narcissistic injury]

 

[AfghanBlue]

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Home Alone: Buzz, your girlfriend... woof!

The photo is actually of a boy made up to look like a girl. The producers thought it was too cruel to use a photo of an actual girl.

www.youtube.com

Edit- HAH I didnt even see that little description a the bottom. Poetic.

Edit 2.
Lol, BTFO again.

Poor fucker probably was about to sink a grand on flights from Teaboo, Indiana

 

[The Mad Pirate]

There is no way he would do that debate, ironically it would have possibly given him the leverage, if he'd done a good job, of propelling him further, making him like a pro trans Jordan Peterson, but he frankly knows his arguments dont hold water.

That's assuming he has actual rational counter-arguments or even evidence to rebuke and defeat the opponent's arguments. Frankly, I do not think he has either. In the end, he would end up being crushed and humillated by the Likes of Jordan Peterson ( who humiliated Cathy Griffin LIVE ) or Ben Shapiro ( as much as I dislike the RINO, I admit he is a masterful debater ). Heck even Kathleen Stock probably has enough knowledge and experience to mop the floor with in on a live debate.

For those who don’t know, Oliver has three criteria to judge his artistic creations (shitty YouTube videos) and he pretentiously recites them in each live stream.

1). Was the video made out of intellectual curiosity?

2). Was it made out of kindness towards others and himself?

3), I forget the third one. Did the video give “Abigail” a boner or further his craven ambition and megalomaniacal aims probably.

The most important things analyzing the artistic value of something are : a) The "Philosophy of Life" the artist embedded in their art and b) the style used in the creation of their art.
That being said, point 1) is ridiculous, he is imposing a "Philosophy of Life" on the artists for narcissistic reasions, the art doesn't need to be created to "make an intelectual point", the art only needs to showcase the "Philosophy of Life" of the artist ( their values, worldview, ethics, morality, etc ) but it doesn't need to make an explicit exposition of it. So there is no need for "intellectual curiosity", only the need for the artist to pour a part of his soul in the art.
Point 2) is absurd. Again, this is just one of Olly's moronic narcissistic impositions over the artist. You have great art out there, art that inspires, art that reaches the deepest parts of the human soul....that was created out of sheer selfishness ( and in some cases, even greed ). Rejecting art because it was not "created out of kindness" is idiotic. You might end up cheering for lazy, crappy art that lacks substance and even a soul because the artists does it "out of kindness". Geeze, it reminds the people who thinks that the awful shitty art of Jean Micheal Basquiat is good because Basquiat "was a kind guy".
Point 3) takes the cake. FFS, this is pure solipsism. Art doesn't need to be created to "speak to you". That's not what art is created for. Art is created to showcase the soul of the artist to the world, if those values speak to you or not, that's irrelevant. If you make it all about yourself, you can just go fuck yourself, that's no what art is about.

I am gonna a make a prediction here :
I am going to predict that Olly's next "Kill James Bond" podcast will be about how the new James Bond novel are getting "woke" and also will also have Olly demanding that Sherwood's new triology has 007 banging a trans woman on it for "representation".

Sherwood told the BBC she hoped to modernise and expand the Bond canon with a "feminist perspective".
She promised an "ensemble cast of heroes who we can all identify with".

Her partnership with Ian Fleming Publications comes as the book franchise - which is the basis of the hugely successful film series - aims to reflect shifting attitudes to representation.
Sherwood, an award-winner for her 2018 novel Testament, told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour that Bond has "remained an evergreen symbol for Britain because he can change with us".

That's my prediction.

 

[narcissistic injury]

View attachment F4BE0CB3-1536-48C1-AA4B-0D37313053B2.webpliterOlly whube?

@narcissistic injury lmao americans always calling going for a walk “hiKiNg!”
get the fuck over your journey off the couch, lol.

the credits- Claire Michelle in every single frame!- are VERY Tubular aren’t they. I still cut her more slack cos i feel she’s stupid enough not to be expected to know why this is cringe and narcy.

LMAO excellent jab at Americans. I laughed. Journey off the couch.

To even out my disdain, here’s an example of an ugly Brit - pippa middletons husband

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Soooooo pale and wrinkly why? If he was in North America I feel like he’d just look better. His face is not bad he just has that awful sickly look I’ve been trying to describe

(For context I was googling royals bc I’m listening to the Red Scare podcast episode about Meghan Markle
Maybe I’ll be able to ask fewer stupid questions about the UK now? Jk that’ll never happen)

I think my pic is not working. Forum illiterate

Pic here is what I was looking at https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.usm...and-james-matthews-relationship-timeline/amp/

 

[fax machine]

This an excerpt from Men. Abuse. Trauma. I guess Oliver was self aware once upon a time, lol:

I had very few friends. Which was my fault. I mean, I alienated them. I was just a colleague, to most. I can’t think of a single person who looked forward to seeing me. In fact, frequently it was the opposite. Professionally I was replaceable. Artistically I was invisible. My YouTube channel was deeply immoral. It betrayed a deep character flaw in me and it was the kind of trash that really only someone without a creative soul can even make. If you ran an infrared scanner over me I wouldn’t show up. Dogs ignore me in the street. And the reason they do is because I don’t have a soul. I’m just a horrible, fleshy, English robot that’s gradually breaking.

now you see, it’s when i see old stuff like that, that i get the flash of pity for him and remember why i even watched some of his videos at one point. seriously what the fuck happened to him.

Nothing.

That passage is from the part of the video where he hammed up his self-loathing to set up the reveal that — aha! — I loathed myself because my GIRLFRIEND made me feel like a piece of shit. It was her abuse, her psychological distortion, that beat him down into believing himself nothing more than a soulless flesh robot. When he escaped her grasp, he was his old self again: sunny, popular, creative, full of spirit.

hmm.

The purpose of this putdown in context is to deliver the narrative that, under non-abusive conditions, he isn't any of those horrible things. It's not self-awareness. It's the same old hi I’m Olly Thorn and I'm great. The only twist is the people weeping in the comments, covering him in flowers for being so brave and tragic and maligned. Nooo, she's a monster, don't believe her, you're an artiste!

Not to reignite the “did Olly’s girlfriend really abuse him” debate, but it's hard not to notice that the tales he tells about himself always represent him as the underdog hero, righteous and sympathetic, impossible to root against without guilt. We've seen how much he lies to advance his preferred narratives of late. That behavior doesn’t emerge ex nihilo.

This is not to say that narcissistic liars can't be abused — victims are people, and people are flawed — just that the story is constructed on the same frame as many of his stories in the Abigail era. "I struggled with [this part of myself] until I realized I'm actually great and [an external evil] is to blame for my suffering." That's the logic of his transness, his eating disorder, and his abuse. Has he ever confessed a personal failing that didn't martyr him? that left him with a little dirt on his face, a flash of ugliness, like normal people have all the time in life?

Frankly this fucker has given me bad vibes since 2018, and I don't see any essential change. Just an increased boldness in being who his phony ass has always been.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Nothing.

That passage is from the part of the video where he hammed up his self-loathing to set up the reveal that — aha! — I loathed myself because my GIRLFRIEND made me feel like a piece of shit. It was her abuse, her psychological distortion, that beat him down into believing himself nothing more than a soulless flesh robot. When he escaped her grasp, he was his old self again: sunny, popular, creative, full of spirit.

hmm.

The purpose of this putdown in context is to deliver the narrative that, under non-abusive conditions, he isn't any of those horrible things. It's not self-awareness. It's the same old hi I’m Olly Thorn and I'm great. The only twist is the people weeping in the comments, covering him in flowers for being so brave and tragic and maligned. Nooo, she's a monster, don't believe her, you're an artiste!

Not to reignite the “did Olly’s girlfriend really abuse him” debate, but it's hard not to notice that the tales he tells about himself always represent him as the underdog hero, righteous and sympathetic, impossible to root against without guilt. We've seen how much he lies to advance his preferred narratives of late. That behavior doesn’t emerge ex nihilo.

This is not to say that narcissistic liars can't be abused — victims are people, and people are flawed — just that the story is constructed on the same frame as many of his stories in the Abigail era. "I struggled with [this part of myself] until I realized I'm actually great and [an external evil] is to blame for my suffering." That's the logic of his transness, his eating disorder, and his abuse. Has he ever confessed a personal failing that didn't martyr him? that left him with a little dirt on his face, a flash of ugliness, like normal people have all the time in life?

Frankly this fucker has given me bad vibes since 2018, and I don't see any essential change. Just an increased boldness in being who his phony ass has always been.

I agree, I felt repulsed by this video. No sympathy at all - only bad vibes. I don’t believe that story is true (or at least, certainly not the ENTIRE truth). It sounds like what a borderline/narcissist/both would tell a therapist

 

[Tombigbee]

It's not self-awareness. It's the same old hi I’m Olly Thorn and I'm great.

Oh totally.

I was just being silly saying he was self aware once upon a time. I called up that scene to rewatch because I remember how cringe and manipulative it was. Dramatic camera pan and all. Your whole post was spot on. I just thought that passage was funny in hindsight, given that he is trying to literally skinwalk women now. Fleshy English robot indeed.

Actually I looked up that scene more specifically because I remember him confessing that he had no real friends. I think that part is true. I’m sure most people who are around him for any length of time cobble on to what and who he is and head for the hills. See Contra (of all people) for Exhibit A. However “Abs” or “Abigail” probably has a cadre of troon “friends” now - but only united in their troondom. See Muslim hijab wearing degenerate “Alice” for Exhibit B. I’m sure the tranny community accepts all troons unless they go Jessica Yaniv-level insane, or deviate too far from TRA group think. I suspect this influenced Oliver’s decision to transition - presto he has an instant friend circle of trannies. And not only that he will be “the most recognizable” among them, so he’s Cinderella at the tranny ball.


Here’s the latest Lulu compilation. (Trigger warning - tons of tongue protrusions.)

 

[AfghanBlue]

Nothing.

That passage is from the part of the video where he hammed up his self-loathing to set up the reveal that — aha! — I loathed myself because my GIRLFRIEND made me feel like a piece of shit. It was her abuse, her psychological distortion, that beat him down into believing himself nothing more than a soulless flesh robot. When he escaped her grasp, he was his old self again: sunny, popular, creative, full of spirit.

hmm.

The purpose of this putdown in context is to deliver the narrative that, under non-abusive conditions, he isn't any of those horrible things. It's not self-awareness. It's the same old hi I’m Olly Thorn and I'm great. The only twist is the people weeping in the comments, covering him in flowers for being so brave and tragic and maligned. Nooo, she's a monster, don't believe her, you're an artiste!

Not to reignite the “did Olly’s girlfriend really abuse him” debate, but it's hard not to notice that the tales he tells about himself always represent him as the underdog hero, righteous and sympathetic, impossible to root against without guilt. We've seen how much he lies to advance his preferred narratives of late. That behavior doesn’t emerge ex nihilo.

This is not to say that narcissistic liars can't be abused — victims are people, and people are flawed — just that the story is constructed on the same frame as many of his stories in the Abigail era. "I struggled with [this part of myself] until I realized I'm actually great and [an external evil] is to blame for my suffering." That's the logic of his transness, his eating disorder, and his abuse. Has he ever confessed a personal failing that didn't martyr him? that left him with a little dirt on his face, a flash of ugliness, like normal people have all the time in life?

Frankly this fucker has given me bad vibes since 2018, and I don't see any essential change. Just an increased boldness in being who his phony ass has always been.

oh, this was from the “abuse” one? never mind.
i meant sympathy in as far far as, as a person, not like, for his clearly bullshit stipulations,
ironically it was this video where i first noticed his lies, where he does a kind of.. bad job at acting like he’s going to cry at one point.
i was taking this passage as about him, like just about him.
not about him like- and now i’m all better! i thought it was an honest thing about how he was in general.

it was actually around this video that he stated getting fucked up.. the big Reveals started, and never stopped

 

[Lalalara]

oh, this was from the “abuse” one? never mind. [….] it was actually around this video that he stated getting fucked up.. the big Reveals started, and never stopped

Made an account to agree that this was indeed a clear point of unravelling for him. I had watched him irregularly for the philosophy content and had reasonably enjoyed it. The abuse video made my skin crawl as this was the storytelling of a narc abuser who received a narcissistic injury by his victim. The victim probably cut herself loose and was no longer accessible as narcissistic supply. The only way for him to come to terms with this, was to loudly proclaim that he had been the victim all along. I’ve seen it all, it’s precisely that. This narcissistic injury must have been so grave that he spiralled out of control and became completely uninhibited in his hatred for women. I’m convinced that his latent misogyny is fuelled by the narcissistic injury this girlfriend caused. Most likely she did nothing other than finally waking up to how much better she could do and left. He lost his mind over this perceived slight and began to fetishise skin walking women as anything short of stealing a female identity and space would not have been strong enough retaliation in his eyes. That ex-girlfriend can be glad he is too repressed and cowardly to actually murder her.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Made an account to agree that this was indeed a clear point of unravelling for him. I had watched him irregularly for the philosophy content and had reasonably enjoyed it. The abuse video made my skin crawl as this was the storytelling of a narc abuser who received a narcissistic injury by his victim. The victim probably cut herself loose and was no longer accessible as narcissistic supply. The only way for him to come to terms with this, was to loudly proclaim that he had been the victim all along. I’ve seen it all, it’s precisely that. This narcissistic injury must have been so grave that he spiralled out of control and became completely uninhibited in his hatred for women. I’m convinced that his latent misogyny is fuelled by the narcissistic injury this girlfriend caused. Most likely she did nothing other than finally waking up to how much better she could do and left. He lost his mind over this perceived slight and began to fetishise skin walking women as anything short of stealing a female identity and space would not have been strong enough retaliation in his eyes. That ex-girlfriend can be glad he is too repressed and cowardly to actually murder her.

Welcome! I also joined KF solely for this thread. Narcissistic injury, indeed. Glad I’m not the only one that sees it

Lmaooooooo at 21:27 of the men trauma vid “it came as quite a shock to my mum. She said ‘it’s hard to imagine you as being terrified of anyone’”

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Lmaooooooo at 21:27 of the men trauma vid “it came as quite a shock to my mum. She said ‘it’s hard to imagine you as being terrified of anyone’”

PT's mummy knows her son is a big boy.

 

[esmeggs]

(archive)
AS A TRANS WOMAN AND A LESBIAN

 

[Ophelia Jones]

AS A TRANS WOMAN AND A LESBIAN

I know he isn't, but he sounds like someone who's trolling trans people by being as insufferable of a trannie as possible.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

I know he isn't, but he sounds like someone who's trolling trans people by being as insufferable of a trannie as possible.

Just entertain the thought - what if he is? Wouldn't that mean he's actually an outstanding actor?
Here's your way to success, Olly!