Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

Should the title be re-worded to expand the scope of the thread?

  • The US Trucking Crisis of 2021 works fine

    Votes: 25 9.4%
  • The US Logistics Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 30 11.2%
  • The US Transportation Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 7 2.6%
  • The US Supply Chain Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 35 13.1%
  • Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021

    Votes: 206 77.2%

  • Total voters
    267
  • Poll closed .
It's disingenuous of them to say urea is made from coal. Urea is made by reacting ammonia and carbon dioxide, which are made from air using electricity. Coal is used to make electricity. Saying urea is made from coal is exactly as valid as saying hydrogen is made from Uranium.


Fwiw DEF isn't really consumed all that quickly, in my experience. It's obnoxious, but you need at most a few gallons a day, versus dozens of gallons of diesel.

I both respect and like you, so please do not take this the wrong way. I will also preface this by saying I took a biology major and chemistry is not a strong point for me, so I'm presenting you the results of an hour or two of research on the subject.

Coal to urea plant construction bid - Opens by walking the reader through the methodology for extracting urea from coal via gasification.

[Newsmaker] [KH Explains] Korea’s urea crisis - The Koreaboos give some good additional information about different types of urea and its production, as well as the gravity of the situation (from their perspective).

Why this is a problem for India specifically:
India is on the brink of an energy crisis, as coal reserves hit critical lows (Discusses their coal use and issues).
India’s fertiliser drain: Urea of darkness (Discusses how the Indian gov. subsidizes urea and fertilizer production).

You aren't wrong and there are other ways to get urea, but the quality of the urea is different from the urea produced by coal gasification. Coal is indeed used to provide carbon for the conversion process (if I understand what they are saying correctly).
 
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Lukashenko is just another tyrant, like with North Korea he just bluffs and bluffs. Unless you're one of his citizens you have nothing to fear from him, he answers to Putin and both of them rely on selling gas to Western Europe to make a living, he's just stoking this fire to gain more leverage considering he just pissed them off with the refugee crisis he made up!
Lukashenko is copying Erdogan by using "refugees" as leverage, which as we know from how successful Turkey is at dealing with the rest of Europe, a successful tactic.
Every politician does this to some degree, but this is what makes me think that while Brandon is certainly senile he isn't demented, just absurdly out of touch. Obama would be probably be doing the same but at least he would handle this better by pulling out the marketing work to soften the blow, right now there isn't either good communication or good policies coming from the White House!
Obama definitely would've handled this better when he was president because he was good at reading the teleprompter and sounding charismatic. He looked the part of an educated, intelligent president instead of a guy they dragged in from a nursing home.
They could simply make a call to the Governor of California and make them open up some exemptions to that exceptional law of theirs and help in meeting the demands for shipping, but apparently doing nothing about it and blaming everyone else is clearly the wise course of action lol!
That would make too much sense!
India’s fertiliser drain: Urea of darkness (Discusses how the Indian gov. subsidies urea and fertilizer production).
Aren't there literally entire subcastes whose job is collecting a substance called "nightsoil" that is commonly found on the streets of India?
 
This benefits Putin by inducing desire for the Nordstream project, its likely Belarus and Russia are working this from both ends and Putin actually desires Belarus to cut the gas flow. Natural Gas prices are insanely high right now and cutting it off entirely prior to winter would literally drive the population insane with rage that they cannot do anything about because Belarus cannot be invaded and any sanctions would clearly deepen the lack of fuel.
It comes down to if Putin has the balls to do that which I'm not sure he has. He talks big to reporters but would he really butt fuck Europe?
 
You aren't wrong and there are other ways to get urea, but the quality of the urea is different from the urea produced by coal gasification. Coal is indeed used to provide carbon for the conversion process (if I understand what they are saying correctly).
To meet American Petroleum Institute (and ISO) spec for DEF, the urea has to be very high purity. In the land of Natural Gas (the US) nobody uses coal gasification to make ammonia feedstock for urea and ammonia nitrate. That's probably what threw @Sped Xing for a loop.
 
It comes down to if Putin has the balls to do that which I'm not sure he has. He talks big to reporters but would he really butt fuck Europe?
He doesn't have to do anything other than publicly state that Belarus is protected by Russia from military invasion because of long standing pacts. Belarus can either get suffocated slowly via perpetual sanctions from EU cretins or they can punch back and put these pricks flat on their asses with a single stroke. If there is ever a time to humble these dipshits it is right now, Belarus likely will not get a more perfect time to pull a stunt on the pipeline, the longer they dotter around on the issue the worse it is for them.

The EU is currently in a very precarious state with the COVID restrictions causing deep divisions in the populations and the spiking gas prices are going to make this even worse. Belarus will suffer far less than the EU will if it cuts off the gas during the winter. An entire continent freezing to death like Texas did last winter will cause some serious fucking rage at the governments because most of these dipshits nations have bought in deeply to that green energy bullshit and this stuff WILL NOT hold the line without natural gas power plants, most of the nuclear power plants were offlined so Europe could go into fucking blackouts during the winter if Belarus plays their cards properly.
 
To meet American Petroleum Institute (and ISO) spec for DEF, the urea has to be very high purity. In the land of Natural Gas (the US) nobody uses coal gasification to make ammonia feedstock for urea and ammonia nitrate. That's probably what threw @Sped Xing for a loop.

I'm neither a chemistry wiz nor a trucker, so I'll be honest; trying to provide information about how trucks function makes me deeply uncomfortable and I'm going to mostly try and excuse myself from the task from now on.

@Sped Xing is a smart cookie even if we don't see eye to eye sometimes. No harm, no foul in my book.

Aren't there literally entire subcastes whose job is collecting a substance called "nightsoil" that is commonly found on the streets of India?

People responsible for the disposal of night soil were considered untouchables in India. The practice of untouchability has been banned by law since India gained independence, but the tradition widely persists as the law is difficult to enforce. This "manual scavenging" is now illegal in all Indian states. - per Google

Like most things in India it's illegal and continues to happen.
 
So may not be totally related so feel free to delete if need be
But has any chaps got any recomendations for clothing, tools and food to buy?
I have been looking at some surplus stores for quality boots (I walk alot and the cheap chink stuff breaks down in mere months) and other clothing but I am not sure how to get the actually good stuff compared to copies and repros that will cost me an eye and break down all the same.
I am in Italy and I've heard the swiss and german stuff is decent but italian para's boots may be great.

Also the government decided to fuck up our shit increasing the fuel prices.
And while I know that some of it is due to the supply chain most of the cash we fork out is due to taxes on fuel.
Methane went from 0.40 cents or less to 1.89
LPG shot up from 0.30 to 0.80 and we are approaching
2 euros for regular and diesel
This is of course reflecting on prices and attitudes, lots of people with defeated looks going around and anger everywhere.

Of course if you watched the news here you would be inclined to think the gays and the migrants are our only concern along with the (((Enviroment))) which is codewords for "Fuck my shit up fam"

We were one of the leading countries in nuclear, then chernobyl happened and the greens went into a tizzy and now we import 79% of our energy from france and the rest of the E. U.

Said greens are also responsible for introducing foreign species in our ecosystem fucking up some areas beyond repair.

And lets not talk about infrastructure.
 
I both respect and like you, so please do not take this the wrong way. I will also preface this by saying I took a biology major and chemistry is not a strong point for me, so I'm presenting you the results of an hour or two of research on the subject.

Coal to urea plant construction bid - Opens by walking the reader through the methodology for extracting urea from coal via gasification.

[Newsmaker] [KH Explains] Korea’s urea crisis - The Koreaboos give some good additional information about different types of urea and its production, as well as the gravity of the situation (from their perspective).

Why this is a problem for India specifically:
India is on the brink of an energy crisis, as coal reserves hit critical lows (Discusses their coal use and issues).
India’s fertiliser drain: Urea of darkness (Discusses how the Indian gov. subsidizes urea and fertilizer production).

You aren't wrong and there are other ways to get urea, but the quality of the urea is different from the urea produced by coal gasification. Coal is indeed used to provide carbon for the conversion process (if I understand what they are saying correctly).
LIB. I only know about the Fisher-Price process or whatever.

Well, they should learn from AOC that coal is inherently evil.
 
I'm neither a chemistry wiz nor a trucker, so I'll be honest; trying to provide information about how trucks function makes me deeply uncomfortable and I'm going to mostly try and excuse myself from the task from now on.

@Sped Xing is a smart cookie even if we don't see eye to eye sometimes. No harm, no foul in my book.
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I don't know shit about trucks; I just drive them. What little I know about urea comes from my interest in it as fertilizer and a feed additive. Did you know you can actually feed ruminants partly urea to cheap out on protein? I have livestock guardian dogs, so I don't want to poison them, but I think it's interesting.


For what it's worth, I see how it could have come across as me calling *you* disingenuous, which was not my intent. I figured it was the journos who were wrong. Turns out it was me not knowing anything.
 
When I was ripping the DEF system out of my car I was underneath it disconnecting the tank to remove it and it dumped ALL OVER ME. That shit is rank let me tell you.
It's the primary constituent of urine, if that wasn't obvious from the name.
 
LIB. I only know about the Fisher-Price process or whatever.

Well, they should learn from AOC that coal is inherently evil.
I thought you were pulling my leg so I looked it up and now I can confidently say I understood that reference.

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I don't know shit about trucks; I just drive them. What little I know about urea comes from my interest in it as fertilizer and a feed additive. Did you know you can actually feed ruminants partly urea to cheap out on protein? I have livestock guardian dogs, so I don't want to poison them, but I think it's interesting.


For what it's worth, I see how it could have come across as me calling *you* disingenuous, which was not my intent. I figured it was the journos who were wrong. Turns out it was me not knowing anything.
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It's all good, bruv. I can't blame you for not trusting journos, plus now you're speaking my language. Have you tried ditch liquor or poultry house litter ?

Also, because I suck, I'm taking this opportunity to throw out a few items I found of interest. Sorry, not sorry.

Goldman just figured out why the labor shortage will last for a long time: 60% of the missing workers retired, many for good Dude just figured it out, but I think I made this point roughly 40 pages ago.

The Truck Driver Shortage Doesn’t Exist. Saying There Is One Makes Conditions Worse for Drivers Rate this hot take for me, trucker bros.

'Puzzling' diesel shortages -- a third of owner-operators report experiencing outages, limitations This is a good sign, right?
 
I thought you were pulling my leg so I looked it up and now I can confidently say I understood that reference.


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It's all good, bruv. I can't blame you for not trusting journos, plus now you're speaking my language. Have you tried ditch liquor or poultry house litter ?

Also, because I suck, I'm taking this opportunity to throw out a few items I found of interest. Sorry, not sorry.

Goldman just figured out why the labor shortage will last for a long time: 60% of the missing workers retired, many for good Dude just figured it out, but I think I made this point roughly 40 pages ago.

The Truck Driver Shortage Doesn’t Exist. Saying There Is One Makes Conditions Worse for Drivers Rate this hot take for me, trucker bros.

'Puzzling' diesel shortages -- a third of owner-operators report experiencing outages, limitations This is a good sign, right?
I never heard of ditch liquor. Pigs are so weird.

Poultry litter feed has been explained to me as "chicken shit and saw dust." I was told, "some cows will eat it; sell the ones that won't." I have goats, who are, despite what cartoons say, extremely picky animals, so I haven't tried.

To wrap that around to be more relevant to the thread, I've been moving away from high-input land use and exploring more stable pasturing options, including native grasses (little bluestem is ice cream to goats,) improved bermuda-clover mixes (I already have nitrogen-hungry coastal, but maybe I can get a winter self-reseeder to feed it, and provide high-protein winter forage) and no-till winter forage planting.

All because why? Because inflation is really helping with my land expenses, while at the same time making fertilizer, herbicide, seed, protein supplements, and concentrates far less efficient. I stand to do better with fewer animals on the same property. How's that for a knock-on effect? Farms become less productive, because they're more profitable when squeezed less hard under current economic trends. Lower electricity prices and a stronger dollar mean I bring more kids to market in order to make the same money.

It's sixes and half dozens to me, but the consumer feels the pinch.


As for the "trucker shortage not real" article, some random notes.

There is a dearth of *competent* truckers. Holy guacamole but are there a lot of narnars these days. It's noticeably worse than just two years ago. Not just old man gripes like CDL holders who can't drive standard, which means they drive incredibly expensive autoshift transmissions which require a team from NASA to fix. It's shit like "I can't back up to a dock" and worse.

My company had to reject 20 tons of meat recently, because of some bunkleyutz who didn't want to wake up until after he was unloaded. Rather than wait in his truck until it was time to unload, he opened his barndoor trailer and backed in in the middle of the night. Well, guess what! A reefer won't keep meat cold when the fucking doors are open! So yeah turnover is high, and it would be nice to retain more people.

Part of the retention problem is a lot of the people who quit or get fired SHOULD. You can't fix stupid. Not to say OTR conditions are great, and finding somewhere to sleep is a big problem, exacerbated by the dumbass hours system which usually has the perverse effect of robbing you of rest rather than ensuring it. There's nowhere near enough truck parking in much of the US, so you see people parked on the side of on-ramps, and, worse, on the side of off ramps or on the shoulders of highways.

The pay is great for OTR, and if you're not getting paper, you're lazy, stupid, or need to change companies. That said, the 85 plus a year I could be making as a company driver isn't worth it to me compared with my much less stressful job.

"Debt peonage." Top kek. It's like maybe 5.or.6 grand to pay your own way through a trucking school, or you can hook up with one of many companies that will train you to get your CDL if you sign on to drive for them for a year or so. If that puts you in "debt peonage" in an industry where you're easily making that in one month, I dunno, man. Consider suicide.

Poor truckers are in a gig economy. Oh woe what will they do when their pay is directly correlated to what the company makes, rather than a wage that the companies can collude to suppress? Who wrote this, a shipping exec?

I never recommend women drive trucks. Truck stops are not nice places. Many truckers are bad people, and you're far from any sort of support. Thankfully I can say such things on kiwifarms, where recognizing reality isn't taken as "rape apology."

Truck expenses HAVE skyrocketed, and that's the fault of all the retarded gee-whiz elon musk type bullshit they've crammed in. None of it, from autoshift to adaptive cruise to collision warning, is necessary. Indeed, much of it just makes drivers complacent. Mirrors and a clear mind are what you need. Special baby amenities in the sleeper are less of a problem, but still dumb. Why do you have satellite TV? Go the fuck to sleep. Oh OK now I'm doing old man bitching.

All this focus on toys reminds me of boot camp. They brought in a geezer from Chosin to talk to us, and one of the recruits asked him, "how did you keep up your morale?" He blinked, then said, "well, by killing the enemy."

Oh my fuck, simping for California's owner-op ban. Throw this article into Cumbre Vieja.
 

And employers can now legally require their employees to be innoculated against the COOF.
Serious question how many of those " vaccinated " have paid under the table . Also what are the reaction of the people in there?
 
Serious question how many of those " vaccinated " have paid under the table . Also what are the reaction of the people in there?

Mostly ambivalent. The gas prices are the big problem. The vaccination hesitance is a western thing, and there is extremely little reply from anybody to this, save for the fringe very conservative nationalist-christian Mi Hazánk party, but they are tiny, and think Vaccines are made by Satan and Jews.
 
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Your post lost the reply feature (I'm guessing because the site's still being DDOS'd), but I wanted to say...

Ditch liquor is a viable avenue of cost-cutting for ruminants and poultry as well. I know the study said pigs, but I did check around and it's done for other types of livestock. The idea, in it's most basic form, is that pure water will remove nutrients as the body processes it, but providing a shit protein shake to drink returns more nutrients than it removes.

Personally, I wouldn't do it for my poultry because that sounds like inviting a mass cull once they all get coccidiosis.

Pigs are walking garbage disposals, so it's most commonly seen in pig farming operations. The manure solution actually improves their immune system, and a mixture of feces and water is often sprayed into their nostrils as a form of 'vaccine' since vaccination for pig gastrointestinal diseases is ineffective. I could draw some parallels to covid, but I've sperged enough.

Also glad to know the trucker article was as exceptional as I originally thought it was. 👌

In other news, here's an interesting coincidence:

China, circa 13 days ago: China taps oil reserve, refiners ramp up output to stave off diesel shortage
United States, circa today: Biden must tap oil reserves to lower gasoline prices, Schumer says

The reserves are in primarily in Texas and Lousiana, so... come and take it, I suppose.
 
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