Gorl World + Haydur Nation reaction channel discussion - Come sperg about the Reactmosphere, right here

Is it just me or is she thrusting her ass out? Or is her body/skeleton so warped from weightlifting that she can't straighten her back?
 
Leech is streaming. I dunno what is going on. You Angey historians will have to clear this up. @Goal Tendie
Good they are tired of fighting. I am tired of it too.
Aaaaand all the evidence has been yeeted into the either. I have a clip or two that I could include but other then that this is wht happened.
SWMNBN goes on Leeches stream. Conversation is cordial until Bounty comes in. MT tells him to shhhh and Bounty goes off on him an leaves.
Then I see a 7 HOUR tail end of Candy's stream - which is where Leech apparently said. According to SWMNBN the causes of Leeches meltdown could be in this order:
Us.
Misunderstandings,
and or trolls.
Candy seems to think it is MT. (I am inclined to agree).
FYI is any of these parties reads this - no you all are backup material when the main cast is quiet/ or as a pallet cleanser.
Also SWMNBN is blaming the eeeeevil Kiwi Farmers. Especially when the next day she comes in here to shit on Angey or Candy or whoever she decides to have a slap fight with.
Stream stopped suddenly. Was it the fault of those EVVVVVVIL Kiwi Farmers again?
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Then Candy streams aaaand it's all MT's fault?
 
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Tonight on Drag Rants | Worst Christian Youtuber : ShannyForChrist Documentary | Phasmophobia


We get some nice Callie simping, thanks to Kitty K.

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"Well, I think there's a way to communicate to people that... um... they may be a bit more sensitive than others, but I've yet to see that effectively communicated to people... uh... that... uh... specifically Callie... uh... but the funny thing is that I've heard acknowledge that she does sort of knee jerk... uh... a bit too often, and I think she's aware of that, so... um... I'm not really sure what, like... I understand people don't like Callie and Charlie and other black creators for some reason, uh, but my thing is, I don't understand what the end goal is exactly. I guess that's sort of what I'm confused with, because I dabble into different communities..." Insert long spiel about the great debate community, and other boring shit.

"I ended up doing reactions because the people that I would talk to no longer wanted to talk to me, because guess what? We have the same fucking conversations for hours, every single fucking day, for years and it goes nowhere." Insert even MORE boring shit. "But then it got into the gorl community where there's an entire... like there's entire factions of people surrounding fat chicks eating food, then they have like these fucking blood feuds, and I'm just like most of y'all are fucking like housewives and fucking former crackheads. What are you fighting over?"
"I'm not trying to demean anybody! Like, you're not actually doing anything other than being upset with fucking people whoa re reviewing fat chicks online. Like, I don't actually understand what you're trying to get at. This is just fucking fun for me. This is entertainment, like, I'm playing a fucking game, watching people fucking like just have shitty lives and make it worse."

"There is plenty of criticism that can be given towards any content creator, no matter how much I like them, um, but like I don't understand the people who have these fucking blood feuds with them."

"I understand why Shanny and Rev don't like me. Like we have a history. But if you don't have a personal history with lyfeofafreespirit, like that's a whole lot of energy into people who you've never actually interacted with, and I'm just like... did she just... did she not fucking kiss your ass when you were in her chat?"

"Here's the fascinating part, like for me all the people who don't like them used to be former fans and so they all formed a collective against it and then again, they're LARGELY black creators, which says something to me, but anyway."

"This person is more sensitive than others. So what? The best part for me is the people saying that are usually pretty sensitive themselves. "

"I have a policy that if I talk about you, you get to come on my channel and interact. Two of them have tried. We talked to Tragic, and I tried to talk to the little drunk guy, what's his name? GG... Gaining Ground, there we go, that guy. Pathetic and it didn't go like they thought it would. I guess I'm not a fucking idiot and so I can bullshit. Why would you want to talk to me if you know that's what I do, but it's like, I don't get it."

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IGNORED!!

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"Yeah, because that's her channel. That's her channel, like that's actually... she has a channel and that's her content right, but the people who are in the live chats that are forming discords and shit because they don't like her right and they're just going to other people's chats who may like her saying crazy shit."

"When you're a content creator and you're actually making money off this shit you kind of have an incentive to do that and I guess Kitty K, you're not smart enought to actually see what I'm getting at here, so I'll explain it. If it's not actually doing something for you in real life, why put forth the effort to it?"

"If your content is a series about a person then you're incentivized to continue to do that and I'm contrasting that against people who don't have lives and you're not gaining anything from it. Does that make more fucking sense? Obviously you're not smart enough to see what I'm getting at here. I shouldn't have had to explain that to you, but then again you're doing what you're doing because you're not that smart in the first place."

"Notice you're not blocked here. I like interacting with you. I'm not like Negz or those other people."

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"Again, you're not... there's nothing you're actually gaining from this, at least monetarily. I could be wrong, correct me, so I mean... I can criticize Callie and she can criticize me. I don't know how... that's... I mean, did you miss that? I don't guess... I don't know."


More rambling. Basically, the only reason to talk about someone else is if you're making money from it. Money is the ONLY incentive in life. If you're doing it for any other reason, you're a housewife/racist/crackhead loser with no life.

He can also show Kitty K how much money Callie makes from doing what she is doing, but he wants to know how much Kitty K is making from doing what she is doing. If she isn't making money, he suggests that she questions her life goals.

He says he doesn't look to make money off of his youtube, but it is cathartic to him. Is what Kitty K does cathartic or is she just trying to make Callie concede to some greater point that he doesn't understand?

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"I don't know what FFG has to do with anything if we're talking about Callie."

"That doesn't tell me anything. That tells me you can't communicate. You can't stay on topic, because you're bring up people who are fucking irrelevant and that the information is out there. Great. You have made such a cogent point, I'm going to block Callie right now and I'm going to spit in her vagina, just because of what salient points you've offered tonight. I hope you don't get hit by a bus tomorrow."

It carries on this way awhile longer, but I tap out. He refuses to back down, and his chat is begging him to get to Shanny, but he refuses, because he has been really looking forward to interacting with these people who no one could possibly understand unless they've fallen down a flight of stairs first.
 
So quoting is borked but I will do this a different way @Catsy Cline Phenomenal work btw. It gives us insight to what a true piece of shit Drag is.
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"And other black creators"
No Drag it has FUCK ALL to do with your skin color. I watch YoungRippa, Gothix, MyThoughtsWIllProbably offend you and etc. Yes, they range from libertarian's to conservative. I watch them because they do not spend their ENTIRE stream telling me how better they are or just being a bitch like Charlie and Callie do. In other words:
Charlie nd Callie are stereotypes of their race because they use YouTube as their therapy. They both tacitly admitted it. Also way to admit you do not watch them.
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I wonder why Drag? I cannot be your illustrious personality.
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No Drag. She LITERALLY singles people out who do not agree with her. Case and point her last race pimping stream she PINNED a comment from a young lady that merely stated her disappointment. Charlie went off on a woman who just wanted some comradery. She told her "No one cares, listen and shut up to how you are racist."
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No you didn't. You demeaned him by "putting on your grown up voice." You do it in this very response.
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Great tacit admission you get off on it. I hate Shanny for what she does to her children. For me it stops there. You get secret recording from people who see them in the gas station. You make BIOPICS about Shanny. Hours and hours and hours. You get off on it. Just like dog toys.
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No you are worse. Negz never demeaned his watchers. You CANNOT take criticism. A sign of true masculinity is taking criticism from anyone. At least listening.
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SUPERIOR IQ all.
Again superior work @Catsy Cline
Edit: on the other hand I popped into G-ma's stream and saw this:
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That entire Angey Lee community is a shit stew. Try to pick out the ugliest, stupidest one. I never saw a more two-faced bunch of lying, ugly bitches in my life. They will go for the jugular, say the most horrible things about each other and everyone else, and then suddenly they cuddle up. Disgusting.

So now she's doing the responsible thing and she's drinking again because...the meanie trolls are talking about her? She doesn't have enough sense to get her ass of YouTube and do something worthwhile. She is supposed to be the master of "coping skills" and "self-care," which consist of getting baked, having imaginary sex with losers, and now she's added alcohol to the mix when she is an admitted alcoholic. And she does it live and in color, as though she's getting revenge. You go girl.

This is a woman who has a young son who is totally dependent on her.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't engineer all those texts that she was showing where she was being taunted.
 
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Leech is streaming. I dunno what is going on. You Angey historians will have to clear this up. @Goal Tendie
Good they are tired of fighting. I am tired of it too.
Aaaaand all the evidence has been yeeted into the either. I have a clip or two that I could include but other then that this is wht happened.
SWMNBN goes on Leeches stream. Conversation is cordial until Bounty comes in. MT tells him to shhhh and Bounty goes off on him an leaves.
Then I see a 7 HOUR tail end of Candy's stream - which is where Leech apparently said. According to SWMNBN the causes of Leeches meltdown could be in this order:
Us.
Misunderstandings,
and or trolls.
Candy seems to think it is MT. (I am inclined to agree).
FYI is any of these parties reads this - no you all are backup material when the main cast is quiet/ or as a pallet cleanser.
Also SWMNBN is blaming the eeeeevil Kiwi Farmers. Especially when the next day she comes in here to shit on Angey or Candy or whoever she decides to have a slap fight with.
Stream stopped suddenly. Was it the fault of those EVVVVVVIL Kiwi Farmers again?
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Then Candy streams aaaand it's all MT's fault?
Cute that Alanna is going to blame the farms and also make claims that she doesn't want anything to happen to poor ol' Angey, after spending weeks railing against Angey and going on about how awful she is.
This group is enough on their own; nobody from the farms cares enough to do more than document their goofy hill-people shit, and as most here can tell, that's sporadic at best. Alanna spends tons of time either lying about so many things she can't keep them straight, or being Chantal-class delusional to the point that she believes everything that comes out of her own wordhole. Keeping track of her and her untruths is impossible if you want to have a life of your own.

These people have livestreams for 3+ hours most days - hell, Bounty had an almost 7.5 hour one and then a half hour one yesterday. That's a full day's work. And all of these pussies are serial deleters. Nobody has time to sit and watch and capture all of this shit except the weirdos in their community, so skipping around and looking when people jump off panel (often because butthurt happened) is the best way to view them.

They absolutely should be blaming MT/Mukbang Terminator/Ricky/name of the day for a lot more than they do. A bi man in his 20s, HIV+ with children he only sees occasionally, who randomly allows his unfixed mutts to make more unfixed mutts - who has repeatedly squeezed himself into clades of menopausal fat women - should be severely side-eyed by everyone he tries to shoehorn himself in next to. He is not a smart person, and the only thing that scratches his pleasure center is chaos. He has admitted to trying to make threads here on people but he's too dumb to follow rules or type legibly so they got removed. Instead of watching Netflix like a normal human, he makes a bunch of troll accounts and stirs the pot in these incestuous little communities.

Angey Lee is so far up his ass - because, like Chantal, any male attention, no matter how bad for her, is good attention - she will stand up for him as long as he texts her a few times a day. She absolutely knows what he's like, because like Nader and Chantal, MT has verbally abused Angey in the past. She keeps coming back to him because it's attention.

Anyway, here's some fucking creepy ass shit from Bounty's stream last night. He drunkenly showed how he keeps his children in lockstep. (Loud noise warning near the beginning. You won't like it if you're using headphones.) Angey, a Canadian, bizarrely fell into lockstep as well.

And here's even drunk-ass Bounty recognizing what a little snake MT is.

Highlights:
*Angey's creepily put-on, near-Shmorkylike voice repeating, "who accused you of this."
*Angey popping back into face cam to act mad about a gay joke when Bounty's entire channel and pretty much any livestream I've checked in on has someone cracking gay jokes, with her grinning away on panel.
*Angey getting an insulting text (she shows it clearer today, and it says "we are stealing your friends") and Alanna trying to prove it wasn't from her by waving a single chubby paw in the air.

Other tidbits from the last 24: Bounty called out Angey for shit-talking her ex-boyfriend Vince as a lousy lay; one with less Angey lore knowledge would wonder why Angey felt it was an appropriate topic for her to have with a married man, or why she was talking badly about one of the few people that bother to support her in her own livestream. Lore states: it's because she's a messy bitch with no acknowledgement of boundaries.


Boomhauer Bounty eloquently telling people how Angey makes him (and honestly, anyone that comes into contact with her) feel.
 
@Catsy Cline

I understand people don't like Callie and Charlie and other black creators for some reason

"For some reason." But Dognuts is happy to provide a reason via a rhetorically loaded statement that entrenches and reaffirms the Haydur Nation party line that the only absurd, odious thing these HN YouTubers do is be "black creators."

No wonder this lemming is into dogs; they're the only pack animals he might have a chance of rising from zeta to beta male in.
 
Is it just me or is she thrusting her ass out? Or is her body/skeleton so warped from weightlifting that she can't straighten her back?
According to her, the "wellness" category that she is now competing is, is all about the legs and butt. She's definitely thrusting her arse out during the posing. Must be devastating for such a competitive piece of work to only come second, even though she'd been out of the game for a while. She threw a ton of cash at this competition,, and no way did her YouTube series pay for it given the lack of interest most of her subscribers had in it.
 
I'm no judge of these body building competitions, other than I think those extreme physiques are revolting, but the one obvious difference to me is Ilona's tattoos. Other than looking filthy, they obscure a lot of the muscular delineations and definitions. Her competitors don't have those self inflicted issues and continue to kick her ass because of it.
 
I'm no judge of these body building competitions, other than I think those extreme physiques are revolting, but the one obvious difference to me is Ilona's tattoos. Other than looking filthy, they obscure a lot of the muscular delineations and definitions. Her competitors don't have those self inflicted issues and continue to kick her ass because of it.
That's what I have always thought. I don't know anything about bodybuilding, but I understood that oiling the body and tanning were to enhance definition, but it would seem as though excessive tattoos would obscure all that.

I also wonder how these bodies age...I'm not knocking it. I don't think it is attractive at all, but to each his/her own...I just don't see how you could realistically maintain it, and then what happens?
 
It was a dull evening, but one with a theme, at least.

”Let’s make money off Chantal.”
Sara is trying to re-up her figures by dipping a toe back into the Canadian drama but it is very obvious she hasn't got a clue about what’s been happening and hasn’t been following in any detail. She has two points and two points alone:
1. Chantal bought a ring called the ‘Jafar’. Racist. Much pearl clutching.
2. The Egyptian is giving out erroneous body-building advice.

Thats it. Honestly, that’s it. If those were the only two problems going on up there, there’d be no more videos.


I present this face without comment.

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DC Also appeared and announced that she doesn’t want to be here. She wants to do True Crime videos (good luck with that) but that she knows her audience wants Chantal. So we’re doing Chantal.
DC is crabby.
DC has a tantrum when Chantal lets us know she’s never heard of Fire-Marshall Bill.
DC manages to disparage both her ex-husbands in one fell swoop. They both bait-and-switched her by turning into toddlers as soon as she had a ring on. The bitterness is real.
DC asks why Chantal doesn’t talk more about authors and books. …


So it hasn’t been an entertaining evening but I have added to my collection of ‘moments of over-sharing’ from the chat.

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There used to be a question of whether tattoos influenced judge's appraisal of physique decades ago but tattoos, even heavy tattooing, are so common now that they're functionally a non-issue. Any judge who can't read a physique for tattoos in this day and age is...not competent to be a judge and would be understood to be incompetent in that capacity.

@Captain’s Coffee

2. The Egyptian is giving out erroneous body-building advice.

You mean Nader? Why would that scrawny guy be giving out bodybuilding advice and why would our doughy little pierogie think she's competent to evaluate it given that her entire training routine involves misting herself to mimic sweat and selecting filters for her Instagram posts from the gym? The last time I saw her claiming to be knocking out leg day she was literally posing in a way that literally does nothing except strain your lower back.

DC asks why Chantal doesn’t talk more about authors and books.

Not everyone can rock a stream flipping through gossip rags, wallowing in crude, culturally illiterate Anglophilia and dazzling their audience with shallow takes derived from non-fiction bestsellers aimed at the barely literate layman, I guess.

@Rasputin's Side Piece

I just don't see how you could realistically maintain it, and then what happens?

You can't. As with most competitive sports — like cycling, for example — peak competition conditioning isn't meant to be maintained year round or for a lifetime. It's not healthy to constantly be at peak competitive form in bodybuilding (or almost any sport) and no one pretends it is. In fact, it always cracks me up when fat activists casually conflate "health" and "the expectation that we all be bodybuilders." Literally no one, let alone bodybuilders themselves, claim that bodybuilding is healthy. Nor is any other high level competitive sport healthy or even aimed at health as a good in itself, for that matter. It just reveals how little familiarity most FAs have with both 1. actual fitness and 2. real athletics (no, their Fat Activist bowling league that met for one photo op, ate pizza and disbanded doesn't count).
 
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You mean Nader? Why would that scrawny guy be giving out bodybuilding advice
I do, and although I find it difficult to decode his erratic mumbling, it would seem there was a conversation that happened with Chantal.
Chantal (desperate to not have to do cardio) asks him if she can get fit without doing cardio and just lifting weights instead. (I’d be up for seeing that.).
Nader responds “no. You cannot lose weight without cardio because you can’t bulk up your muscles if they’re surrounded with fat. You need to do cardio first before you can bulk up.”
Its funny to me that he has a vision of her little muscles not being able to expand under the huge, crushing blanket of fat that covers everything.

Sara is horrified and assures us that he is speaking vile untruths, but fails to offer her audience any actual fitness advice. I reckon, in her head, she’s become an ultimate vegan influencer and we should take her at her word.

And since I am almost double-posting (apologies) I’ll add a further comment.
I think life has broken Rose Thorn.
She spent the afternoon spamming her subscribers sub-boxes with five, hour long videos of static camera/ASMR - type soundtracks..
OK, but this is on the back of last week where the same thing happened everyday and we reached the point of real trouble, I think when we were gifted with this
which is an hour of black screen and white noise. Black screen + white noise.
Chantal broke Rose Thorn and this is the result.
None of these bizarre videos are getting more than 20 views in their first week.

Also, she’s done a couple of lives lately musing that her cat, Booger is pregnant by her other cat, Sparky. She took a little heat from ‘trolls’ who rightly chastised her for having un-neutered cats and adding to the overpopulation of strays/ adoptees. She immediately blocked these ‘trolls’.
I do feel like this was her plan to save her channel. What’s cuter than your cat having kittens?v She‘ll use all of it to film, I’m sure.
Not going to sperg too much, but we know she already has two full cats. A couple of months ago Sparky (being full tom) wandered off and got lost for a while. He’s probably spreading his seed all around that neighbourhood too. Not just to Lady Booger.
She knows that most of her audience are middle-aged cat ladies. I’m feeling cynical about your decisions, Rose.
 
And since I am almost double-posting (apologies) I’ll add a further comment.
Have you met me? LOL
Anyway GORLS I would like to share something that might perk you up.
Chuck is saaaaad and since it is HER I have NO sympathy.
No one CARES Chuck you have been ESPECIALLY cruel to Chantal.
YouTube is not a The-Ra-PIST
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Edit: I was looking for one where she tell Chantal to get therapist but this one will do. Oh man I have GOT to stop going through your timeline Chuck.
I think you should take Yaba's advice YOU re-tweeted.
 
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Sara is horrified and assures us that he is speaking vile untruths

Oh, so it's one of those "a stopped clock" situation type deals where what he says is such obvious bro science that even Pierogi can manage to figure out that it's bullshit.

(I know this isn't the Chantal thread but this all reminds me of the time she found some female bodybuilding mukbanger who Chantal says claimed to offset any impact the mukbangs had on her weight and leanness through lifting. So Chantal's plan was to become a bodybuilder, because she truly believed she'd develop a normal-weight, lean physique while exceeding her TDEE by hundreds and thousands of calories. And even if that were possible and not obvious bullshit: as if Chantal — the human incarnation of impulsive self-indulgence and sloth — would ever have the discipline to lift regularly).

None of these bizarre videos are getting more than 20 views in their first week.

I've been wondering where Rose is sourcing her white noise sounds and ambient music from.

Some of the top ambient sounds/white noise channels get millions of views per videos and probably do rake in decent adsense if they're monetized (I don't allow ads on my computers and devices so idk who is or isn't monetized). They tend to have minutely different sound mixes incorporating different crisp, clear but naturally subtle sounds — all of which requires sensitive equipment to record well. I doubt that Rose's broke ass has money for the sort of equipment to produce her own sounds. They also use visual artists to create nice, cozy animated scenes as video background (i.e., they rarely just use the sort of still images Rose uses, though some do use blackscreen for people who use these videos as white noise machines as they sleep).

Rose Thorn is also posting lofi and ambient music videos. I think she might be drawing the music indiscriminately from whatever source she stumbles upon. The first one I clicked on opens with a piano plinking shrilly, repetitively, unpleasantly and a little discordantly. (Aside: softer and warmer tones are usually preferred for these videos (again, for a calming or cozy feel)). It's so discordant and oddly repetitive (like a series of notes on a loop), maybe she is using a program to produce some of the ambient "music" herself. I think I recognized one song from another video as being from the YT free library because I've heard it often enough on other channels to recognize it. But I doubt that she's composing and producing all her own music the way a channel like Yellow Brick Cinema does. The rate at which she uploads alone seems to preclude that.

So she's not recording and producing the ambient sounds and the ambient music herself. Is she just recycling public domain sounds and music? Is there a free-to-use database for that sort of thing somewhere (outside of YT, whose library seems too limited to build a long-term channel of diverse music on)? And even if there is, is that database fine with her monetizing their white noise and/or ambient music?

If she isn't using free, publicly available sources, is she paying licensing fees or does she have explicit working agreements with artists the way channels like ChilloutDeer or BLUME seem to? I see her crediting artists in some of her dropboxes but are all these artists actively, explicitly working with her (and if they are, why are they allowing her to capitalize on their ambient music, given her pitifully low viewership)? Is she pulling any ambient music from any other YouTube channels (including but not limited to bigger ambient sound/white noise or ambient music channels)? But if it's copyrighted or unlicensed work, how far does she expect to take the grift? Ambient sounds/white noise and ambient music are both pretty niche; she can't keep stealing work forever.

TL;DR: I have a feeling that Rose Thorn is using a lot of copyrighted or unlicensed work without the agreement of the original sound artists and musicians to pad her channel, hoping to get in with the algorithm and pull in the sort of Adsense that Relaxing White Noise, BLUME or Ambient (or even smaller channels like Cryo Chamber or SpaceWave) pull in. If so, building a channel on stolen content seems like a bad idea.

EDIT: @Oliveoil

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Well that's all a far cry from "Muh doctor told me uh can't discuss muh weightloss and health jurney on teh Utoobz."
 
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Oh, so it's one of those "a stopped clock" situation type deals where what he says is such obvious bro science that even Pierogi can manage to figure out that it's bullshit.

(I know this isn't the Chantal thread but this all reminds me of the time she found some female bodybuilding mukbanger who Chantal says claimed to offset any impact the mukbangs had on her weight and leanness through lifting. So Chantal's plan was to become a bodybuilder, because she truly believed she'd develop a normal-weight, lean physique while exceeding her TDEE by hundreds and thousands of calories. And even if that were possible and not obvious bullshit: as if Chantal — the human incarnation of impulsive self-indulgence and sloth — would ever have the discipline to lift regularly).



I've been wondering where Rose is sourcing her white noise sounds and ambient music from.

Some of the top ambient sounds/white noise channels get millions of views per videos and probably do rake in decent adsense if they're monetized (I don't allow ads on my computers and devices so idk who is or isn't monetized). They tend to have minutely different sound mixes incorporating different crisp, clear but naturally subtle sounds — all of which requires sensitive equipment to record well. I doubt that Rose's broke ass has money for the sort of equipment to produce her own sounds. They also use visual artists to create nice, cozy animated scenes as video background (i.e., they rarely just use the sort of still images Rose uses, though some do use blackscreen for people who use these videos as white noise machines as they sleep).

Rose Thorn is also posting lofi and ambient music videos. I think she might be drawing the music indiscriminately from whatever source she stumbles upon. The first one I clicked on opens with a piano plinking shrilly, repetitively, unpleasantly and a little discordantly. (Aside: softer and warmer tones are usually preferred for these videos (again, for a calming or cozy feel)). It's so discordant and oddly repetitive (like a series of notes on a loop), maybe she is using a program to produce some of the ambient "music" herself. I think I recognized one song from another video as being from the YT free library because I've heard it often enough on other channels to recognize it. But I doubt that she's composing and producing all her own music the way a channel like Yellow Brick Cinema does. The rate at which she uploads alone seems to preclude that.

So she's not recording and producing the ambient sounds and the ambient music herself. Is she just recycling public domain sounds and music? Is there a free-to-use database for that sort of thing somewhere (outside of YT, whose library seems too limited to build a long-term channel of diverse music on)? And even if there is, is that database fine with her monetizing their white noise and/or ambient music?

If she isn't using free, publicly available sources, is she paying licensing fees or does she have explicit working agreements with artists the way channels like ChilloutDeer or BLUME seem to? I see her crediting artists in some of her dropboxes but are all these artists actively, explicitly working with her (and if they are, why are they allowing her to capitalize on their ambient music, given her pitifully low viewership)? Is she pulling any ambient music from any other YouTube channels (including but not limited to bigger ambient sound/white noise or ambient music channels)? But if it's copyrighted or unlicensed work, how far does she expect to take the grift? Ambient sounds/white noise and ambient music are both pretty niche; she can't keep stealing work forever.

TL;DR: I have a feeling that Rose Thorn is using a lot of copyrighted or unlicensed work without the agreement of the original sound artists and musicians to pad her channel, hoping to get in with the algorithm and pull in the sort of Adsense that Relaxing White Noise, BLUME or Ambient (or even smaller channels like Cryo Chamber or SpaceWave) pull in. If so, building a channel on stolen content seems like a bad idea.
Oh, you’re in luck. Please contain your excitement. Rose has made a video telling you exactly how to make these videos.
She indicates that everything she uses is from copyright free sites. She may slide in the odd one or two things that she hopes will slide under the radar, but to be honest, the soundtracks (especially the white, brown, red noises) all sound harsh and unpleasant. They sound free, in other words. I haven’t watched the whole thing but eat your heart out with her special tutorial video.
 
Oh, you’re in luck. Please contain your excitement. Rose has made a video telling you exactly how to make these videos.
She indicates that everything she uses is from copyright free sites. She may slide in the odd one or two things that she hopes will slide under the radar, but to be honest, the soundtracks (especially the white, brown, red noises) all sound harsh and unpleasant. They sound free, in other words. I haven’t watched the whole thing but eat your heart out with her special tutorial video.

I know this might come off as nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking but this video makes me wonder what Rose Thorn thinks makes her white noise videos stand out from the bigger established white noise channels that pull in respectable numbers with better, original sounds and video. Because, let's be real, Rose Thorn doesn't care how "relaxed" people are (as she says early in the video). She wants to pull in some Adsense but she's only averaging 40 or 50 views per video with borrowed, recycled content.

Also, this could explain the white noise/ambient sounds (which I suspected could genuinely be from a free to use database), but I don't know if I believe it accounts for all the ambient music she's been uploading. She does talk about using YT audio library for this and I do recognize some music in her videos from others' videos. But then in other videos she also links to ambient musicians and credits them. I still wonder if they're aware her tiny channel with its dozens of views is using their music; Rose Thorn's dropbox shoutouts aren't paying their bills (and wouldn't be even if she had a bigger channel).

YT audio library also has a pretty limited selection compared to the output Rose Thorn has. Maybe she's just repeating the relatively limited selection YT has over and over in different combinations in her videos. That would be fine in terms of copyright but that still brings me back to the point that she's trying to break into a niche arena with subpar, run-of-the-mill videos derived from a limited, borrowed, recycled and public database.

If she's all clear with copyright and licensing, then that's good and it is what it is. But if she's just drawing exclusively on public databases, I guess I'm just (yet again) underwhelmed by the lack of effort that goes into a Haydur Nation alumni's offering — even when the content has nothing to do with HN. Putting out the sort of videos Rose Thorn describes is the equivalent of selling spiral-bound copies of The Great Gatsby on Amazon now that it's in the public domain.

God, these people are all so fucking lazy and uncreative. They all want to make a lot of coin but they never want to put in the work and effort to create an excellent and original product that's really worth clicks.
 
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It was a dull evening, but one with a theme, at least.

”Let’s make money off Chantal.”
Sara is trying to re-up her figures by dipping a toe back into the Canadian drama but it is very obvious she hasn't got a clue about what’s been happening and hasn’t been following in any detail. She has two points and two points alone:
1. Chantal bought a ring called the ‘Jafar’. Racist. Much pearl clutching.
2. The Egyptian is giving out erroneous body-building advice.

Thats it. Honestly, that’s it. If those were the only two problems going on up there, there’d be no more videos.


I present this face without comment.

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DC Also appeared and announced that she doesn’t want to be here. She wants to do True Crime videos (good luck with that) but that she knows her audience wants Chantal. So we’re doing Chantal.
DC is crabby.
DC has a tantrum when Chantal lets us know she’s never heard of Fire-Marshall Bill.
DC manages to disparage both her ex-husbands in one fell swoop. They both bait-and-switched her by turning into toddlers as soon as she had a ring on. The bitterness is real.
DC asks why Chantal doesn’t talk more about authors and books. …


So it hasn’t been an entertaining evening but I have added to my collection of ‘moments of over-sharing’ from the chat.

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I..... thought you was kidding.
Like I really, really thought you were just being dramatic.
But what the fuck. You were not kidding. A young white girl is lecturing a middle aged colored man that has lived in the Egypt what he's suppose to find racist. Chantal is a racist, because she bought a jafar ring, and eats his Egyptian food, and enjoys his Egyptian music, and spreads her legs for his Egyptian dick. Like goddamn. Chantal is laying on a dirty mattress, listening to Egyptian music, eating Egyptian food, and contracting STDs from an Egyptian dick because she's such a raging racist against.... Egyptian men?
Yes, young white girl. Continue to pity Nader (a colored man) that he's too fucking stupid to know he's scamming and fucking a racist that pays his rent.
....
Even in their most violent online spats Nader called Chantal crazy, liar, whore, fat, buffalo, ect..
nader called chantal everything BUT a racist when they were fighting. Because, ironically, despite how gross and disgusting chantal is she seems to be everything but a racist.
 
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