Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[Retired Junta Member]

How did those energies get misdirected into this parody of itself?

The world of dog (and cat) breeding, especially if it’s aimed at the creation of specimens to bring to shows and expositions, is a relatively closed world and very susceptible to the danger of hyper specialisation. You have too many people with too much time, money and ambition all set on creating the perfect dog/cat.

I’ve personally know a cat breeder who won several world competitions and imho breeders may even be worse than pageant moms.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

The world of dog (and cat) breeding, especially if it’s aimed at the creation of specimens to bring to shows and expositions, is a relatively closed world and very susceptible to the danger of hyper specialisation. You have too many people with too much time, money and ambition all set on creating the perfect dog/cat.

I’ve personally know a cat breeder who won several world competitions and imho breeders may even be worse than pageant moms.

Duh, pegeant moms are still dealing with another human who is going to do their own thing or at least stop being cute eventually. There simply is a time limit to that crap that somewhat keeps them in line.

Pets otherhand are forever babies and easier to get new ones than human babies. The competition doesn't need to consider pet feelings that much but do need to stroke breeder egos to keep them coming back plus just the general excitement of competition. It just has the perfect feedback loop for insane stage moms to get hooked on.

 

[Bisdejl]

Some more exceptional dogs from the gram

Spoiler: image dump

somehow a popular stud
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90% water, 10% brain
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Some of these poor things are starting to resemble Third Stage Guild Navigators.

 

[Micotil 300]

Great thread! I've long had an interest in intentional genetic abominations and the people who make them.

A friend of mine with a penchant for taking in strays of all sorts had a Boston Terrier. This supposedly purebred dog was abandoned at the vet's office due to the previous owners being unable/unwilling to pay after an operation to remove one of his eyes due to glaucoma (which is apparently obscenely common in Boston Terriers). He paid the vet bills and took the dog home after it was decided the former owners weren't coming back. It was determined that he was about four years old. By the time he was six, he had needed his remaining eye removed, was almost completely deaf, and suffered from sleep apnea and a heart condition. The poor creature died at seven or eight years old, but was at least given love and medical attention in his last few years.

Another friend of mine had a Shih Tzu from a "reputable Amish breeder" that had near-daily seizures, and was incredibly aggressive when it wasn't seizing, gasping for air or walking in circles. It also died young. They thought the dog they had gotten was a fluke thing and they'd just been unlucky enough to end up with the dud of the litter. Later on (when they tried to purchase ANOTHER PUPPY from the same breeder), they learned the operation had been shut down, and, due to rampant inbreeding, many of the animals recovered were The Hills Have Eyes-tier fucked up. I'll see if the news here ever covered it.

Apologies for rambling, but I am horrifascinated by this subject after witnessing it firsthand.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Great thread! I've long had an interest in intentional genetic abominations and the people who make them.

A friend of mine with a penchant for taking in strays of all sorts had a Boston Terrier. This supposedly purebred dog was abandoned at the vet's office due to the previous owners being unable/unwilling to pay after an operation to remove one of his eyes due to glaucoma (which is apparently obscenely common in Boston Terriers). He paid the vet bills and took the dog home after it was decided the former owners weren't coming back. It was determined that he was about four years old. By the time he was six, he had needed his remaining eye removed, was almost completely deaf, and suffered from sleep apnea and a heart condition. The poor creature died at seven or eight years old, but was at least given love and medical attention in his last few years.

Another friend of mine had a Shih Tzu from a "reputable Amish breeder" that had near-daily seizures, and was incredibly aggressive when it wasn't seizing, gasping for air or walking in circles. It also died young. They thought the dog they had gotten was a fluke thing and they'd just been unlucky enough to end up with the dud of the litter. Later on (when they tried to purchase ANOTHER PUPPY from the same breeder), they learned the operation had been shut down, and, due to rampant inbreeding, many of the animals recovered were The Hills Have Eyes-tier fucked up. I'll see if the news here ever covered it.

Apologies for rambling, but I am horrifascinated by this subject after witnessing it firsthand.

It's unfortunately important to do some detective work on breeders. I almost bought a breeding mill puppy. At first the add looked great for me, older puppy looking for a home because returned to breeder do allergies. Time line and other info made sense and the seller anwered my questions eagerly but as was talking about picking the dog it started sounded sketchy. I was allowed to come and pick him up but with summer traveling he could meet like half way rather me having to do the whole trip with clear hints that this what he prefered. I was young and this was my first dog so I didn't realize all the red flags but this still seemed odd. Then I noticed another add about different dog that could be from him (sama area similar dog) and little googling later it was clear that this guy was breeding and selling dogs with numerous different accounts because many people had picked up his fucked business model and were warning about it. So I didn't get that dog.

 

[derpi]

It's unfortunately important to do some detective work on breeders. I almost bought a breeding mill puppy. At first the add looked great for me, older puppy looking for a home because returned to breeder do allergies. Time line and other info made sense and the seller anwered my questions eagerly but as was talking about picking the dog it started sounded sketchy. I was allowed to come and pick him up but with summer traveling he could meet like half way rather me having to do the whole trip with clear hints that this what he prefered. I was young and this was my first dog so I didn't realize all the red flags but this still seemed odd. Then I noticed another add about different dog that could be from him (sama area similar dog) and little googling later it was clear that this guy was breeding and selling dogs with numerous different accounts because many people had picked up his fucked business model and were warning about it. So I didn't get that dog.

If they’re not willing to let you visit the home and check it out before getting the pupper it’s gonna be a puppy mill.
It’s good your instincts kicked in before getting a genetic disaster hoisted on you.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

I’ve been lurking Kiwifarms for years and never would have thought I’d see a thread regarding exotic bullies/frenchies but am glad to see this unethical bullshit being brought to light. I’ve been involved off and on with the bully community (American Bullies and AmStaffs) about 15 years.

I am not completely opposed to some DIY vet care like vaccines (excluding rabies), minor wound care, even sub q fluids. None of that’s a big deal.

These exotic people have taken the DIY to a whole new disgusting level. At first it was at home ear cropping and now it’s in home csections. This fool out of Norco Cali is posting pictures on his IG of him doing csections at home. You can pay him 1000 and his drunk ass will put down the modelos long enough to cut your dog open! A csection with a vet isn’t even much different in price depending on where you go and whether or not it’s an emergency or scheduled but these people cut costs any way they can. The greed is sickening.


Seriously fuck the people who breed exotic bullies and exotic frenchies .

Luckily the financial aspects really limit people even trying this. Acquiring studs is difficult/expensive. They need specialized car and diets, along with a drug bill that would be too steep for most of your "standard" rich equestrian people. The place I toured is owned by a billionaire that travels there in his private helicopter. All of his farms total well into the five figures for acreage acoss about a dozen states. Their whitetail program is pretty much for his personal trophy hunts about once a year, otherwise they finance other fun programs like his endangered/extinct-in-the-wild game. If you're going through the effort to actually breed them you will make sure it's with good genetics that will score well for a typical buck. Atypical trophies are a novelty but when "genetic material" runs $10K-50K per load you generally want to stick with the more desirable/bread-and-butter kind of option. Large bucks ranging with good diets and without much competition will naturally get you atypical bucks at about as good of a rate as you can hope for. Nature does a pretty good job of creating freaks on its own.

The biggest thing for a lot of game management is more likely to be your culls than your breeding selections. The farm I know of breeds about 10x fewer animals from AI every year than they kill due to deficient genetics. I can't overstate how important diet is either. You can have the best genes around but it is meaningless for producing trophies if the animals are malnourished. The game farm used "bulking" feed usually used to help build muscle in growing race horses. I can somewhat look past what this guy does to about a dozen captive studs annually for the benefit of thousands of other animals. I rank it about par on my rich asshole scale. His customers are something else though. I'd put them about the same as the bixnoods in this thread.

Speaking of which: A dog show was shut down after a mass brawl broke out. Footage shows attendees throwing chairs and hurling punches. Don't let the stock image up top fool you, this was at "The Miami Bully Takeover" and the video is about what you'd expect. If it weren't for the dogs and absent kids, it'd look a lot like your typical Chuck E. Cheese brawl video.

This shit happens all the goddamn time at these shows. I haven’t gone to a bully show in years but the first one I went to, two dudes started arguing and their wives got into it.

I don’t if this is low hanging fruit but here are some postings from Craigslist
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Sadly these ones aren’t “That bad”.

 

[Spennychu]

I’ve been lurking Kiwifarms for years and never would have thought I’d see a thread regarding exotic bullies/frenchies but am glad to see this unethical bullshit being brought to light. I’ve been involved off and on with the bully community (American Bullies and AmStaffs) about 15 years.

I am not completely opposed to some DIY vet care like vaccines (excluding rabies), minor wound care, even sub q fluids. None of that’s a big deal.

These exotic people have taken the DIY to a whole new disgusting level. At first it was at home ear cropping and now it’s in home csections. This fool out of Norco Cali is posting pictures on his IG of him doing csections at home. You can pay him 1000 and his drunk ass will put down the modelos long enough to cut your dog open! A csection with a vet isn’t even much different in price depending on where you go and whether or not it’s an emergency or scheduled but these people cut costs any way they can. The greed is sickening.
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Seriously fuck the people who breed exotic bullies and exotic frenchies .
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This shit happens all the goddamn time at these shows. I haven’t gone to a bully show in years but the first one I went to, two dudes started arguing and their wives got into it.


Sadly these ones aren’t “That bad”.

Welcome officially to the forums! Nice find with the DIY cesareans, I've been been trying to track down that shit on ig because it's definitely happening but no luck. We'd love to hear any more anecdotes of the community.

I firmly believe we need to have this stuff taught in schools for any change to happen. Teaching children it's be unsafe to pet strange dogs, canine body language, how to play appropriately, which dogs are too unhealthy to function and how to avoid a puppy scam and what questions a good breeder will have answers to. It's a pipe dream with the current education system, but it's very clear that the majority of parents have no clue what the fuck they're doing with animals.

anyway

Spoiler: more of instagram's finest

Puppy waterboarding
There are proponents for neurological stimulation for very young puppies which can include gently placing them on a warm damp towel for no more than 3 seconds, not fucking this. It's like they want pneumonia.

Bragging about your dysplastic dog, seriously it looks like 2 toes are bearing all the weight on that hind leg.

I've posted these frenchie frogs before but this kennel never ceases to amaze me

Phrenology is back in vogue?

Not a breeder of frogs but why would you stick a baby rabbit in there.

#quality!

From the same breeder, bilateral cherry eye. Somehow sold in this condition.

derp

Our furbaby needs treatment, better dress him up and post it for the gram!

And finally some photoshop funnies.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

I firmly believe we need to have this stuff taught in schools for any change to happen. Teaching children it's be unsafe to pet strange dogs, canine body language, how to play appropriately, which dogs are too unhealthy to function and how to avoid a puppy scam and what questions a good breeder will have answers to. It's a pipe dream with the current education system, but it's very clear that the majority of parents have no clue what the fuck they're doing with animals.

Uhh it would make more sense to just introduce some system of licensure, at least for breeding. I'm not a rulesfag by nature but it's almost impossible to combine "freedom" with mass scale society. As the society scales, pathology increases, and cohesion dissipates, it requires more and more laws to patch it together. In current year, I would actually support a license system for dog ownership because it's getting pretty fucking stupid on the ground (evidenced painfully in this thread). For every demonic mutant breeder there's a dozen idiots purchasing multiple unruly dogs and stuffing them in their closet apartments, if not into crates. Maybe have an exemption for people with acreage, which would account for virtually all rural residents and farmers.

I gotta say the funniest (?) thing about these dogs, and what stands out to me almost as much as the physical deformity, is how they're all (visibly) mental rejects. It's pretty bad when you can tell just by looking at an animal that there's nothing going on upstairs, not that dogs are genius to begin with, but half of these are practically catatonic. All of these videos show animals that either barely react to stimuli or react in purely reptile-brain fashion when they do. Compare to a high-functioning collie or shepherd and you can tell the difference just by the eyes.

 

[Muttnik]

I plan on getting a new dog sometime next year (another hound in all likelihood). This thread has actually been really helpful in prepping for the long-run. The last thing I want is some poor, suffering inbred goblin without lungs, legs, or a muzzle.
So thank you, OP. This thread has made me angry, incredibly sad, and a lot more savvy when it comes to looking for the best quality pupper.

 

[Kelly's Yeeted Legs]

I plan on getting a new dog sometime next year (another hound in all likelihood). This thread has actually been really helpful in prepping for the long-run. The last thing I want is some poor, suffering inbred goblin without lungs, legs, or a muzzle.
So thank you, OP. This thread has made me angry, incredibly sad, and a lot more savvy when it comes to looking for the best quality pupper.

Look closely at the nose. The nostrils should be shaped like an "O" not an "I". The restricted breathing starts there on short-muzzled breeds.

For humans, breath control is a kink. For dogs, it's torture.

 

[contradiction of terns]

Someone brought up Amish puppy mills and since it seems to fit with the thread theme of unethical breeders I figured I'd throw out some more information about puppy mills in general and specifically Amish puppy mills.

The Dog Factory: Inside the Sickening World of Puppy Mills - Great deep dive into puppy mills in general.
Amish Puppy Mills - Not a lot of info, but plenty of photos.
Amish Puppy Mills (Different source) - More info.

Spoiler: Amish Puppy Mill photos

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Someone brought up Amish puppy mills and since it seems to fit with the thread theme of unethical breeders I figured I'd throw out some more information about puppy mills in general and specifically Amish puppy mills.

The Dog Factory: Inside the Sickening World of Puppy Mills - Great deep dive into puppy mills in general.
Amish Puppy Mills - Not a lot of info, but plenty of photos.
Amish Puppy Mills (Different source) - More info.

Spoiler: Amish Puppy Mill photos

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I read their explanations of what to do instead and those were naive as fuck. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not for this but it's not great when what they promote as good practices aren't reasonable.

Basically they say just get a shelter puppy, it's like so much better. If you absolutely have to have specific breed, then you can go a breeder or better breed specific rescue but really you should be getting a shelter dog. There can be issues with some breeds anyway so a puppy without any genetic information is exactly as good, no better. Ugh.

Yeah, that's not really not the full solution. Let's ignore that mixed breeds aren't automatically healthier than pure breeds and a well bred dog is much more predictable in every aspect so it's easier find a pet that fits your life. No, my main issue is there alot unethical shit is going on with shelters and resgues too. Especially now it fashionable to the point that getting a dog from any breeder for any reason is seen as selfish and with no kill movement fueling many bad aspects. There even are lot same shit going on with pet brokers moving dogs around, lying about breeds, health and personality, "oopsies litters" and is increasingly used to cover traditional puppy mills because of course people want cute puppies and ask alot less questions about them. If you need to paint them rescues to sell them that's what you're going to do when it's so easy. Just be clear I'm not against getting a rescue, shelter or otherwise rehomed dog, mutt or pure breed, I'm just for informing people about pitfalls that route.

What's the best way to get a dog depends on where you live and how things are there. Where I live the best practice is getting a contact with a local breeder you can visti multiple times and can ask around to get some gossip if they are legit. If there are no breeders near that specializes breeds you want then go further of course but be aware it's easier to put on fake front like that so do extra research. In general just promote and support quality breeding efforts and what it takes to do it probably, rather than cleaning up efforts that are likely to result in a subpar family pet and fuel more mess.

Also doesn't sell over the intrenet is absolutely ridiculous advice. It's our main form of mass and casual communication and how most if not all breeders give out information about their animals. This how people find out about most things nowadays and isn't a sign of anything.

 

[Gaz Norfman]

I read their explanations of what to do instead and those were naive as fuck. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not for this but it's not great when what they promote as good practices aren't reasonable.

Basically they say just get a shelter puppy, it's like so much better. If you absolutely have to have specific breed, then you can go a breeder or better breed specific rescue but really you should be getting a shelter dog. There can be issues with some breeds anyway so a puppy without any genetic information is exactly as good, no better. Ugh.

Yeah, that's not really not the full solution. Let's ignore that mixed breeds aren't automatically healthier than pure breeds and a well bred dog is much more predictable in every aspect so it's easier find a pet that fits your life. No, my main issue is there alot unethical shit is going on with shelters and resgues too. Especially now it fashionable to the point that getting a dog from any breeder for any reason is seen as selfish and with no kill movement fueling many bad aspects. There even are lot same shit going on with pet brokers moving dogs around, lying about breeds, health and personality, "oopsies litters" and is increasingly used to cover traditional puppy mills because of course people want cute puppies and ask alot less questions about them. If you need to paint them rescues to sell them that's what you're going to do when it's so easy. Just be clear I'm not against getting a rescue, shelter or otherwise rehomed dog, mutt or pure breed, I'm just for informing people about pitfalls that route.

Agree, shelters can be shady when it comes to getting dogs adopted. There’s a city near me that has a pit bull ban, and because of that, you never see pit bulls in a lot of shelters. You do, however, see “terrier,” “hound” and “boxer” mixes that look suspiciously like pit bulls. And I get that you can’t necessarily figure out the breed of every dog that wanders in there, but it seems disingenuous to call them boxer mixes when you know damn well it’s not.

I also feel like “no kill” shelters lead to a lot of dogs getting adopted out who probably should not have been. For example, about 5 months ago slate put out a story called When Bonnie Came Home that became pretty infamous across Twitter because people thought she put the dog down for misbehaving when it was actually a threat to pretty much everyone it encountered.

Spoiler: Tl;dr for article

Woman adopts beagle from shelter after having previously owned beagles. Beagle bites her, her boyfriend, strangers, a trainer, and generally behaves so unpredictably that the woman doesn’t feel safe in her own home. Woman suspects the shelter did not disclose dog’s history of aggression. After trying anxiety drugs and training with the dog, she tries to rehome it, but the shelter won’t take it back with the bite history and no one wants the dog after she discloses it’s issues, so she puts the dog down.

But that story isn’t really unusual. There are plenty of dogs out there with aggression issues who get adopted out even though they really shouldn’t be. A friend of mine adopted a pit mix that ended up biting several people and getting my friend sued. She had tried medication and training with the dog after the first bite, but ended up getting the dog put down after bite 3 or 4. The shelter didn’t mention anything about anxiety or aggression when they let my friend get the dog.

Shelters can be great, lots of shelter dogs are awesome, but some dogs in them need way more help than the average person can give them. The dog world isn’t better off for letting naive, optimistic people rescue unpredictable or aggressive dogs.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

Welcome officially to the forums! Nice find with the DIY cesareans, I've been been trying to track down that shit on ig because it's definitely happening but no luck. We'd love to hear any more anecdotes of the community.

I firmly believe we need to have this stuff taught in schools for any change to happen. Teaching children it's be unsafe to pet strange dogs, canine body language, how to play appropriately, which dogs are too unhealthy to function and how to avoid a puppy scam and what questions a good breeder will have answers to. It's a pipe dream with the current education system, but it's very clear that the majority of parents have no clue what the fuck they're doing with animals.

anyway

Spoiler: more of instagram's finest

Puppy waterboarding
There are proponents for neurological stimulation for very young puppies which can include gently placing them on a warm damp towel for no more than 3 seconds, not fucking this. It's like they want pneumonia.
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Bragging about your dysplastic dog, seriously it looks like 2 toes are bearing all the weight on that hind leg.
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I've posted these frenchie frogs before but this kennel never ceases to amaze me
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Phrenology is back in vogue?
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Not a breeder of frogs but why would you stick a baby rabbit in there.
#quality!
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From the same breeder, bilateral cherry eye. Somehow sold in this condition.
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derp
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Our furbaby needs treatment, better dress him up and post it for the gram!
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And finally some photoshop funnies.
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I know there are absolutely more people doing the at home c-sections but I think most of the people are “smart” enough to understand what they are doing is actually super illegal. This guy is the only person I’ve actually seen (so far) posting the c-sections like it’s not big deal.

There was a news story months ago about some guys performed a csection while the owner’s teenage daughter streamed it to tik tok

TikTok video shows Lake County men performing C-section on pregnant dog, deputies say

French Bulldog was half-awake while owner performed illegal surgery, authorities say.

www.clickorlando.com

I agree that some sorts of education and licensure are a good idea but at the same time, the only people who would comply would be the people who are already doing things correctly. I feel like someone like George with the bullycamp would just pay his way to get a license or would relocate somewhere that doesn’t enforce those regulations (FYI he’s cloned Miagi to continue to use him as a stud).


Lmao @ the stack on that dog…and angulation! What angulation, you can’t even tell if it has any (doubtful he does anyway) when he’s over stretched like that. I bet that dogs movement is great too.

Ughhh The frogs, I can’t even tell the difference any more between a lot of frenchies/EB and exotics any more. I have to check to see if the ears are cropped.

I follow Kanpol kennels on IG, and completely missed the rabbit picture. I’m guessing s/he didn’t make it because there’s no more pictures of it.

Do people really look at dogs like those EB and think they look good or healthy..? They have to know they’re not, right? My friend somehow got suckered into taking a blue tri OEB from a bully breeder some years ago, he had some skin issues due to food allergies (or so she thought) and asked if I wanted to take him, he was a sweet dog and I wanted a chill apartment dog. She took him to the vet just to make sure that’s ALL his issues were before I took him, this dog was barely two with glaucoma, was pretty much allergic to EVERYTHING and had severe bladder stones. She told me everything she found out and that she would not feel right giving him to me because his issues were bad. He ended up with a woman who owns several special needs/hospice bulldogs…compared to these EBs posted as “quality” he looked phenomenal. I can’t imagine everything going on with those dogs.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

Agree, shelters can be shady when it comes to getting dogs adopted. There’s a city near me that has a pit bull ban, and because of that, you never see pit bulls in a lot of shelters. You do, however, see “terrier,” “hound” and “boxer” mixes that look suspiciously like pit bulls. And I get that you can’t necessarily figure out the breed of every dog that wanders in there, but it seems disingenuous to call them boxer mixes when you know damn well it’s not.

I also feel like “no kill” shelters lead to a lot of dogs getting adopted out who probably should not have been. For example, about 5 months ago slate put out a story called When Bonnie Came Home that became pretty infamous across Twitter because people thought she put the dog down for misbehaving when it was actually a threat to pretty much everyone it encountered.

Spoiler: Tl;dr for article

Woman adopts beagle from shelter after having previously owned beagles. Beagle bites her, her boyfriend, strangers, a trainer, and generally behaves so unpredictably that the woman doesn’t feel safe in her own home. Woman suspects the shelter did not disclose dog’s history of aggression. After trying anxiety drugs and training with the dog, she tries to rehome it, but the shelter won’t take it back with the bite history and no one wants the dog after she discloses it’s issues, so she puts the dog down.

But that story isn’t really unusual. There are plenty of dogs out there with aggression issues who get adopted out even though they really shouldn’t be. A friend of mine adopted a pit mix that ended up biting several people and getting my friend sued. She had tried medication and training with the dog after the first bite, but ended up getting the dog put down after bite 3 or 4. The shelter didn’t mention anything about anxiety or aggression when they let my friend get the dog.

Shelters can be great, lots of shelter dogs are awesome, but some dogs in them need way more help than the average person can give them. The dog world isn’t better off for letting naive, optimistic people rescue unpredictable or aggressive dogs.

This is the reason I don’t get shelter dogs and stick with breeders. I have small children and it really isn’t worth the risk to me to get a dog with severe issues and an unknown past. I like to have a good idea of temperament and health.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

This is the reason I don’t get shelter dogs and stick with breeders. I have small children and it really isn’t worth the risk to me to get a dog with severe issues and an unknown past. I like to have a good idea of temperament and health.

Another problem with shelters and the like is that volunteers notoriously lie even about more benign details like the age of the pet, minor health issues and usually tend to sugar coat chronic conditions. And depending on the area and the shelter adopting can be a nightmare of formalities, before and after the adoption.

While I understand the need to make sure that the pet is safe and that they often lie for a greater good, I still try to avoid situations where I can find myself stuck with a pet I can’t afford (economically and emotionally).

Treating with vita volunteers is often nightmarish too, or at least in my experience it was.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

Another problem with shelters and the like is that volunteers notoriously lie even about more benign details like the age of the pet, minor health issues and usually tend to sugar coat chronic conditions. And depending on the area and the shelter adopting can be a nightmare of formalities, before and after the adoption.

While I understand the need to make sure that the pet is safe and that they often lie for a greater good, I still try to avoid situations where I can find myself stuck with a pet I can’t afford (economically and emotionally).

Treating with vita volunteers is often nightmarish too, or at least in my experience it was.

That’s another good point.

 

[Random_Numbers140097]

I bought my most recent dog from a breeder. The nearest shelter to me usually has only two or three dogs at a time and they are almost exclusively large dogs that would probably try to eat my cats.

In some parts of the US, there isn't so much a dog overpopulation problem as there is a serious pit bull overpopulation problem.

Example: Check out this shelter in Philadelphia

Available Dogs | ACCT Philly

www.acctphilly.org

It's > 95% pit bulls, as of the time I am looking at it.

As for "Exotic bullies," I haven't the slightest clue why anyone would want one. Most can barely walk or breathe. If you look at youtube videos of exotic bully shows, a lot of the dogs are pulled around in wagons because they can't walk very far.

 

[Dunkleosteus]

Getting a pup from a working farm is also a pretty good way of getting a healthy, pure-bred for relatively cheap. The puppy won't have papers but since it's bred for function, it's a lot less likely to be a genetic fuckup than with the show versions of the breed.

That's how we've gotten our last 2 dogs and a new puppy we're getting in a few weeks. Farmers who have bred for some more dogs but found a pup or two just didn't have the right temperament or drive for the job (our kelpie was scared of horses and no amount of exposure improved it and our border collie is extremely people focused and basically ignored the sheep).

Of course you need to have some knowledge or connections to find these farmers because a lot will only advertise locally or by word of mouth but the effort is well worth it imo.