Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Michael Janke]

Binger would hem and haw and demand a mistrial. And wouldnt you know it? Kenoshas other judge is a personal friend of his.

what if Binger fell for the bait and read it to him?
what would happen?

 

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SHUT IT DOWN, REKIETA KNOWS THE FARMS

I think the only reason Nick isn't a regular poster here is so he can legally state he doesn't have a farms account if it ever comes up.

In fact, if he was sneaky, he could have someone ELSE create the account for him and then it wouldn't be "his" account.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

what if Binger fell for the bait and read it to him?
what would happen?

He cant ask for a mistrial for something he did without it being with prejudice. It would effectively enter all of the pedo stuff into evidence.

 

[Gehenna]

what if Binger fell for the bait and read it to him?
what would happen?

Inadmissible evidence, deeply prejudicial, and suddenly the prosecution is pushing for a mistrial without prejudice.

Wait, if -Binger- read it... well, he can't argue against his own fuckup.

Addendum: Ironically, part of the request for mistrial covers this. A prosecutor deliberately fucking up is grounds -only- for a mistrial with prejudice.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

So does anyone know the actual legal ramifications of a willful Brady violation to the prosecutors themselves?

From what I've seen from looking at a few pages online, it says disciplinary action is possible, but doesn't list many specifics. I see a few prosecutors have been dismissed for it, but there's just not a ton of info I'm seeing on what discipline would actually be possible. Like would it be disbarrment, or could they fave actual criminal charges?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460853184356929537

The clip of lunchbox saying "our version is much clearer."

That quote is pretty important, because that proves that sending them a low resolution copy was intentional from the get go, or at the very least they knew about the issue and didn't correct it. They possibly could have weaseled their way out of it by claiming it was an accident if Tons of Fun hadn't said that.

 

[Gehenna]

So does anyone know the actual legal ramifications of a willful Brady violation to the prosecutors themselves?

From what I've seen from looking at a few pages online, it says disciplinary action is possible, but doesn't list many specifics. I see a few prosecutors have been dismissed for it, but there's just not a ton of info I'm seeing on what discipline would actually be possible. Like would it be disbarrment, or could they fave actual criminal charges?

Immediate motion for disbarment, if proven to occur it's automatic. Then a long slow grind through several Wisconsin laws about prosecutor misconduct, which would be done by the state Attorney General. Sadly a democrat, though a Brady violation on something this high profile might just make him do it because... well, free win come election time.

 

[TheClappening]

Binger would hem and haw and demand a mistrial. And wouldnt you know it? Kenoshas other judge is a personal friend of his.

"Friend."

We all know Binger is the catcher and that other judge the pitcher.

 

[dinnuffindu]

if Hernandez read that aloud, Binger would probably find a way to sneak in a mistrial to try again.
thats why Hernandez was baiting Binger to read it to him.

It was ruled inadmissible. Kyle didn't know it when he shot him, so the jury shouldn't consider it when determining if Kyle is guilty.

Binger would hem and haw and demand a mistrial. And wouldnt you know it? Kenoshas other judge is a personal friend of his.

Thanks. I misunderstood a few pages back:

Binger was pressing him to read a particular tweet, and I think that was the one saying that Kyle killed a pedo.

I don't think it would've mattered because of how Binger formulated the question. But possible, Drew appeared on Tim Pool's show again yesterday and they talked about this specifically, he consciously chose to avoid it in case it's a trap, smart dude.

Because those seemed to me to imply that Binger actually was trying to get Drew to read them, so I'm not following how it'd be a trap. If Binger specifically asks for a particular tweet to be read where Drew stated Kyle killed a pedo, ... then wouldn't that have put it into evidence?

It's just a real shame the jury didn't get to be privy to the sort of "heroes" these gentlemen were (and, are, I suppose, in Gage's case.)

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

I think the only reason Nick isn't a regular poster here is so he can legally state he doesn't have a farms account if it ever comes up.

In fact, if he was sneaky, he could have someone ELSE create the account for him and then it wouldn't be "his" account.

He's too much of a boomer to be here among us.

 

[Gehenna]

Thanks. I misunderstood a few pages back:




Because those seemed to me to imply that Binger actually was trying to get Drew to read them, so I'm not following how it'd be a trap. If Binger specifically asks for a particular tweet to be read where Drew stated Kyle killed a pedo, ... then wouldn't that have put it into evidence?

It's just a real shame the jury didn't get to be privy to the sort of "heroes" these gentlemen were (and, are, I suppose, in Gage's case.)

The issue is that it is deeply prejudicial to the jury, and offlimits by the judge. There is juuuust enough plausible deniability to avoid disciplinary action.

 

[Dirty Larry]

I was really hoping to see Kyle off with time served for the minor with a firearm charge at the most, but considering we didn't get a decision after an entire day makes me think they'll tie him up on some kind of lesser charge. Shame that this case was ever brought to trial in the first place.

 

[FlappyBat]

Because those seemed to me to imply that Binger actually was trying to get Drew to read them, so I'm not following how it'd be a trap. If Binger specifically asks for a particular tweet to be read where Drew stated Kyle killed a pedo, ... then wouldn't that have put it into evidence?

Please read this Tweet. I DIDN'T SAY READ IT OUT LOUD. Mistrial Mistrial I demand a mistrial! Twitter, CNN, New York Times the defense's witness introduced prejudicial evidence that was ruled off limits.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

So does anyone know the actual legal ramifications of a willful Brady violation to the prosecutors themselves?

From what I've seen from looking at a few pages online, it says disciplinary action is possible, but doesn't list many specifics. I see a few prosecutors have been dismissed for it, but there's just not a ton of info I'm seeing on what discipline would actually be possible. Like would it be disbarrment, or could they fave actual criminal charges?

If and thats a big if it gets called a brady violation in open court by Schroeder. One if not both da's are fucked in a case this big and public. Criminal charges are unlikely (accidentally sent the wrong file they will claim)

Odds of that are very low. Everyone seems to forget that Binger has done hundreds of cases with Schroeder. The judge isnt going to go thermonuclear on what are effectively coworkers unless theres history there we dont know about.

That said this is a pretty slam dunk appeal which the judge wont like unless the prosecutors can argue they sent it to kyles old attorney or something of that nature.

 

[HumanHive]

So does anyone know the actual legal ramifications of a willful Brady violation to the prosecutors themselves?

From what I've seen from looking at a few pages online, it says disciplinary action is possible, but doesn't list many specifics. I see a few prosecutors have been dismissed for it, but there's just not a ton of info I'm seeing on what discipline would actually be possible. Like would it be disbarrment, or could they fave actual criminal charges?

Disbarment is the ultimate consequence of prosecutorial misconduct, but bringing actual charges against the prosecutor is difficult even in ideal circumstances. There’s a lot of leeway because “it’s a tough job with a big caseload, sometimes they make mistakes uguu~” But of course if you or I make a mistake in court, our ass is grass. It’s an unfair system that favors the state.
The real prize is on appeal. If the Judge has been threatening a mistrial throughout the actual case, then the appeal makes throwing out a guilty verdict so much more likely - especially in cases where evidence was withheld or falsely used.

 

[Gehenna]

Please read this Tweet. I DIDN'T SAY READ IT OUT LOUD. Mistrial Mistrial I demand a mistrial!

Or "Nooooo, not that tweet. I meant the other one. Your honor, we need a mistrial", then queue one of his sleazy grins.

 

[TheClappening]

Thanks. I misunderstood a few pages back:




Because those seemed to me to imply that Binger actually was trying to get Drew to read them, so I'm not following how it'd be a trap. If Binger specifically asks for a particular tweet to be read where Drew stated Kyle killed a pedo, ... then wouldn't that have put it into evidence?

It's just a real shame the jury didn't get to be privy to the sort of "heroes" these gentlemen were (and, are, I suppose, in Gage's case.)

Hard R kind of mentioned this during Shroeder's rage mode on Wednesday. Shroeder was quite adamant that before you attempted to explore a banned line of questioning, you motion for it first. Littlebinger tried to sneak in Kyle's alleged "shoot the shoplifters" video, and got yelled at by Shroeder.

 

[Michael Janke]

but there's just not a ton of info I'm seeing on what discipline would actually be possible. Like would it be disbarrment, or could they fave actual criminal charges?

knowing how cucked things are, probably some kind of disciplinary action
not disbarment
though having that on your record fucks up your prospects of running for DA and you'd like he'd likely get fired from his position as assistant DA
any attempt to run for DA would have your oppenents using that disciplinary act against you in a smear campaign.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

knowing how cucked things are, probably some kind of disciplinary action
not disbarment
though having that on your record fucks up your prospects of running for DA and you'd like he'd likely get fired from his position as assistant DA
any attempt to run for DA would have your oppenents using that disciplinary act against you in a smear campaign.

The people Binger wants to get him elected would view getting discplined as a plus not a minus.

 

[TheClappening]

I was really hoping to see Kyle off with time served for the minor with a firearm charge at the most, but considering we didn't get a decision after an entire day makes me think they'll tie him up on some kind of lesser charge. Shame that this case was ever brought to trial in the first place.

The firearm charge was dropped Monday morning. So all Kyle is facing right now are charges actually involving shooting.