Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[namelesstacotruck]

Kenosha is owned by the antaramian family. Schroeder knows he can't touch binger or lunchbox, he's not going to blow up national news with how corrupt binger and lunchbox were.

This may help Kyle if it goes to mistrial without prejudice sense that family probably wants the national spotlight to go the fuck away on them and what they have going on.

 

[Evilronald]

Courtesy of @zachs fair , we have the notes https://kiwifarms.net/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-legal-proceedings.103034/post-10502555

Now, basic thing for any evidence, the more interpretations and further apart said interpretations are, the less reliable something is. So if I can get two separate interpretations of a piece of evidence with diametrically opposed readings... its useless by itself. So, can we do that with this? Yes!

Starting on the first note: "Can we have..." this indicates passiveness, a desire to please. It's also worded politely, not as a demand but as a request. The lack of punctuation would indicate hesitancy, insecurity of how to phrase something,

Second note: Already had one request, now for the others. Still no punctuation but more forceful. The writer feels they are more used to their role, they have grown into it.

Third note: Two writes, but the main one remains consistent. Continues to be questions, finally has punctuation showing an increased familiarity with the role but questions continue to be polite, and even supremely differential with caring about what the judge needs to know. This shows a lack of self-centeredness.

Fourth note: Second one is still questioning, no demands, no imperiousness. First is a clear issue, but notably, it is the clearest example of grammatical incorrectness. This shows a lack of college education as the writing level is around middle-high school. We can deduce the writer has not been to college.

Fifth note: "Please prepare" Pleading, quiet, gentle. They want it but want to make sure that its clearly a request not a demand. This person is overly polite, if anything. it even makes sure the judge knows he will be forwarned to avoid imposition.


From this, I conclude this person is most likely a mid-western mother, likely married, and who has never been to college. She probably has a working-class background given the strong deference to authority and therefore is likely a gun owner.

The most ideal group for Rittenhouse.



And just like that the idea this proves it's a Karen just dies. We now have two equally legitimate conclusions from it, with diametrically opposed conclusions. This is why handwriting analysis is bullshit.

This woman knew one of the witnesses, which are considered to be the worst group for rittenhouse. Only a few witnesses that night were pro-rittenhouse (the reporters from outside town mostly) the rest were social justice assholes or criminals. This woman seems highly educated and wealthy, so very likely she’s a social justice asshole just like the people there but would not be part of rioting since that’s not what rich old people generally do.

 

[Gehenna]

This woman knew one of the witnesses, which are considered to be the worst group for rittenhouse. Only a few witnesses that night were pro-rittenhouse (the reporters from outside town mostly) the rest were social justice assholes or criminals. This woman seems highly educated and wealthy, so very likely she’s a social justice asshole just like the people there but would not be part of rioting since that’s not what rich old people generally do.

And what are you basing this off of? What is your evidence?

 

[Several Goats]

I still recall the taste of your tears
Echoing your voice just like the ringing in my ears

 

[Roybertitos]

This woman knew one of the witnesses, which are considered to be the worst group for rittenhouse. Only a few witnesses that night were pro-rittenhouse (the reporters from outside town mostly) the rest were social justice assholes or criminals. This woman seems highly educated and wealthy, so very likely she’s a social justice asshole just like the people there but would not be part of rioting since that’s not what rich old people generally do.

Wouldn't knowing any of the witnesses or victims automatically boot you outta the jury pool? Unless the defense is just that retarded or this chick lied on jury selection, I'd find it pretty unlikely that she knows anybody related to the trial.

 

[Gehenna]

Wouldn't knowing any of the witnesses or victims automatically boot you outta the jury pool? Unless the defense is just that exceptional or this chick lied on jury selection, I'd find it pretty unlikely that she knows anybody related to the trial.

Correct, such a personal connection would exclude someone from being impartial.

Edit: Specifically, she'd have to have either not mentioned it on the jury questionnaire, or failed to alert the judge when the witness came up. It's not even something the defense has to -ask-.

 

[Neanderthal Guru]

Courtesy of @zachs fair , we have the notes https://kiwifarms.net/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-legal-proceedings.103034/post-10502555

Now, basic thing for any evidence, the more interpretations and further apart said interpretations are, the less reliable something is. So if I can get two separate interpretations of a piece of evidence with diametrically opposed readings... its useless by itself. So, can we do that with this? Yes!

Starting on the first note: "Can we have..." this indicates passiveness, a desire to please. It's also worded politely, not as a demand but as a request. The lack of punctuation would indicate hesitancy, insecurity of how to phrase something,

Second note: Already had one request, now for the others. Still no punctuation but more forceful. The writer feels they are more used to their role, they have grown into it.

Third note: Two writes, but the main one remains consistent. Continues to be questions, finally has punctuation showing an increased familiarity with the role but questions continue to be polite, and even supremely differential with caring about what the judge needs to know. This shows a lack of self-centeredness.

Fourth note: Second one is still questioning, no demands, no imperiousness. First is a clear issue, but notably, it is the clearest example of grammatical incorrectness. This shows a lack of college education as the writing level is around middle-high school. We can deduce the writer has not been to college.

Fifth note: "Please prepare" Pleading, quiet, gentle. They want it but want to make sure that its clearly a request not a demand. This person is overly polite, if anything. it even makes sure the judge knows he will be forwarned to avoid imposition.


From this, I conclude this person is most likely a mid-western mother, likely married, and who has never been to college. She probably has a working-class background given the strong deference to authority and therefore is likely a gun owner.

The most ideal group for Rittenhouse.



And just like that the idea this proves it's a Karen just dies. We now have two equally legitimate conclusions from it, with diametrically opposed conclusions. This is why handwriting analysis is bullshit.

A good analysis, but thwarted by the fact that she capitalizes the letter K and draws the tail of some of her letters below the line, indicating her blood is full of yellow and perhaps black humourous bile.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

It is 6:15 A.M.

Bullshit! It's 6:30!

 

[Evilronald]

Correct, such a personal connection would exclude someone from being impartial.

It was disclosed to the defense and I think knowing witnesses isn’t always an issue if the person can be impartial and depending on how they knew the person. Being related to a witness is different than having taught the person 10 years before or going to the same church. It also depends on which witness and how that person fit into the case. Source on juror 54

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Are they awake in Wisconsin yet?

I'm up, and I don't work.

I gotta assume they're up.

 

[Gehenna]

A good analysis, but thwarted by the fact that she capitalizes the letter K and draws the tail of some of her letters below the line, indicating her blood is full of yellow and perhaps black humourous bile.

I know this is a joke, but seriously... what the fuck was that 'analysis'? It's so obviously fucked from the word go that I am surprised any purportedly sane mined adult would push it.

It was disclosed to the defense and I think knowing witnesses isn’t always an issue if the person can be impartial and depending on how they knew the person. Being related to a witness is different than having taught the person 10 years before or going to the same church. It also depends on which witness and how that person fit into the case. Source on juror 54
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You know what, I'll accept that as far better evidence than some fucking handwriting voodoo magic.

 

[Evilronald]

You know what, I'll accept that as far better evidence than some fucking handwriting voodoo magic.

I think just the fact that she wears a mask every day for hours at a time tells you exactly where her leanings would be. I have no idea why they wouldn’t try to boot this Karen off the jury earlier. I feel like the likelihood of someone being anti-rittenhouse if they wear a mask is massively higher. The defense would’ve been smart to find unvaccinated people, because they’re an extremely right wing group of people in general. In VA, Youngkin and the republicans won that group by 78 points, so they’re very likely to be exactly the demographic you want on the jury. It also would’ve scared the shit out of Karens to know unvaccinated people were on the jury.

 

[Gehenna]

I think just the fact that she wears a mask every day for hours at a time tells you exactly where her leanings would be. I have no idea why they wouldn’t try to boot this Karen off the jury earlier. I feel like the likelihood of someone being anti-rittenhouse if they wear a mask is massively higher. The defense would’ve been smart to find unvaccinated people, because they’re an extremely right wing group of people in general. In VA, Youngkin and the republicans won that group by 78 points, so they’re very likely to be exactly the demographic you want on the jury. It also would’ve scared the shit out of Karens to know unvaccinated people were on the jury.

To explain something I think everyone here misses. The Defense and Prosecution both have a limited number of times they can strike. Six for an offense like this.

They couldn't just keep striking for every single possible bad thing, they had to pick and choose.

 

[thyme's up]

This thread is a hot mess so pardon if this has been discussed before--saw in Poso's feed last night that Richards thinks its a 6-6 split? And it's based on him seeing the jury before they left?

I was of the mind when I read 54's note that it leaned toward demanding/Karenesque, but I think that's due to where I live and that requests are often made here with a little sugar on top.

 

[TitchBitties]

Saw this very cool article this morning about Huber's girlfriend. I'm convinced she's not even really a person.

 

[Gehenna]

This thread is a hot mess so pardon if this has been discussed before--saw in Poso's feed last night that Richards thinks its a 6-6 split? And it's based on him seeing the jury before they left?

I was of the mind when I read 54's note that it leaned toward demanding/Karenesque, but I think that's due to where I live and that requests are often made here with a little sugar on top.

I think Richards is reading a little too much into the expressions of jurors after 3 days of deliberations. If any -don't- look some level of grim I'd be surprised.

 

[Neanderthal Guru]

To explain something I think everyone here misses. The Defense and Prosecution both have a limited number of times they can strike. Six for an offense like this.

They couldn't just keep striking for every single possible bad thing, they had to pick and choose.

When I was looking at the notes for the K thing, I came up with my own nonsense theory about note 4.

You can see an erased line in note 4, over which was written 'mr.' (Rittenhouse). But immediately below that is the K from Grosskreutz and they're both very similar in angle! Hence the foreman was initially writing 'Kyle', being sympathetic to him and naturally having him on a first name basis, but corrected herself so as to appear unbiased, and instead wrote 'mr.'

Case closed - we have a fascist sympathizer running the jury deliberations.

 

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I know it's very optimistic, but it'd be funny if the juror who took the instructions home came in today and started talking about how they looked up some terms in the instructions on the internet, only to be hauled away for breaking the law

If Richards is paying attention, he'll demand her copy of the instructions be replaced with a fresh blank one when she arrives -- bye bye any notes she took overnight. And if I was in the jury and deadlocked because of a Karenzilla pulling this shit, the second she made any mention of outside research I'd be raising hell until the Ballif assigned to tard-wrangle them in deliberation knew, who would be required to take that info to the judge even if the Jury Foreman wasn't asking.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

I think Richards is reading a little too much into the expressions of jurors after 3 days of deliberations. If any -don't- look some level of grim I'd be surprised.

Richards is an idiot and a clown. Just likr Schroeder he doesnt seem to know how the modern world works and he clearly is valuing keeping his relationship with Schroeder good over defending Kyle (unless he really is this mega incompotent)

But remember he had jury consultant lady who does this kind of shit for a living who might be reading the room for him and is telling him this.

While she is also a dumb boomer who didnt seem to understand to avoud landmines she also seemed to have gotten at least a few people fighting for Kyle. If she can help cause a any form of mistrial Kyle got his moneys worth with her.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

Richards is an idiot and a clown. Just likr Schroeder he doesnt seem to know how the modern world works and he clearly is valuing keeping his relationship with Schroeder good over defending Kyle (unless he really is this mega incompotent)

But remember he had jury consultant lady who does this kind of shit for a living who might be reading the room for him and is telling him this.

While she is also a dumb boomer who didnt seem to understand to avoud landmines she also seemed to have gotten at least a few people fighting for Kyle. If she can help cause a any form of mistrial Kyle got his moneys worth with her.

And if push comes to shove she can always just eat the jury.