Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Matt Damon]

Big shout out to Mark Richards for how gracefully he's handled interviews the last couple of days. He may not have managed the case as aggressively as many (including myself) wanted, but he's proven to be a really down-to-earth guy with a good head on his shoulders.

A lot of lawyers in his position would be doing everything possible to jockey for his moment in the spotlight, but Richards doesn't seem at all interested in promoting himself or a moral crusade or turning Rittenhouse into a public spectacle.

Hopefully Kyle will be smart enough to do the same.

I recall that misshapen Kike Nadler harping on that the DoJ "must" investigate, though I don't know if he personally has power to see that through.

He doesn't - the DoJ is an executive agency. All Nadler can do is throw a tantrum on Twitter.

 

[Mike Stoklasas Spock Ears]

I didn't actually expect this thread to still be going at quite such a clip after the verdict, though in retrospect it does make sense, given that Kyle is unfortunately likely to be embroiled in autism for the forseeable future. Did I miss any news regarding an alleged Federal case being brought up? I recall that misshapen Kike Nadler harping on that the DoJ "must" investigate, though I don't know if he personally has power to see that through.

I recall Rekieta saying that because of double jeopardy, the only thing that would make federal charges likely is if there were civil rights issues at hand. But since everyone that got shot was white… not likely.

Not sure if I relayed that totally accurately but you get the gist.

 

[St.Davis]

Nothing, nor is there likely to be. There is just no hook to mallow the feds to even claim they have jurisdiction. Not just "Outside their range" but straight up "nonexistent". You can't stretch if there is nothing to stretch.

That's pretty much how I saw it. Given that everything that happened was intra-state I didn't expect them to even keep talking about it... So when I saw "officials" still speaking on the subject I thought perhaps there was something I must have missed. Thanks.

 

[Gehenna]

To them the violent psychopaths are the militia. Who else will stand up for racial justice?

I'm still not expecting much in the way of riots mostly because the opportunists that would jump in are dissuaded by the weather and the fact that no blacks were actually shot, and they're too dumb to pick up on the disingenuity from the media that implies some might have been. Meanwhile the organized core that does plan these things spent too much time blackpilling themselves ahead of time harder than any of the BBCposters earlier in the thread and are too demoralized to do anything but eat each other in public for being a bunch of rapist abusers, and there's no funding or direction from above because The Democrats That Be no longer want rioting at the moment.

I am of mixed thoughts on whether there will or won't be. Boss has us all working from home for the next week just to be safe though, and our own analysis says the Democrats -have- to riot if they want to preserve anything at all from this. So it's going to be a driving need from up top meets total apathy from the bottom.

 

[Matt Damon]

I recall Rekieta saying that because of double jeopardy, the only thing that would make federal charges likely is if there were civil rights issues at hand.

It's not because of double jeopardy - it's simply that a standard homicide is prosecuted by the state.

The feds have no business dealing with murders except in particular circumstances, usually related to the commerce clause (a clause that's used to justify all sorts of total bullshit overreach, but I digress).

 

[Slap47]

I recall Rekieta saying that because of double jeopardy, the only thing that would make federal charges likely is if there were civil rights issues at hand. But since everyone that got shot was white… not likely.

Not sure if I relayed that totally accurately but you get the gist.

They could go for anti-semitism.

 

[Gehenna]

It's not because of double jeopardy - it's simply that a standard homicide is prosecuted by the state.

The feds have no business dealing with murders except in particular circumstances, usually related to the commerce clause (a clause that's used to justify all sorts of total bullshit overreach, but I digress).

To expand, the federal government can usually get you if:

A: You did something between the states; or
B: You are in some way an actor of the state.

The actual color of the victim is irrelevant to this. Rittenhouse in no way is an actor of the state, but if you recall the Chauvin verdict this is the section they'd have stretched to get him on. The reason the left focuses so much on "he crossed state lines!" is because they think it will get Rittenhouse on the first criteria. The problem is that merely crossing state lines is purely an interstate issue, no federal jurisdiction. Now, if the gun had been bought in Illinois but brought to Wisconsin, the ATF might have been able to do something. Sadly for that narrative, the gun was bought in Wisconsin, by a Wisconsinite, and used in Wisconsin. No border crossing was involved.

 

[Sithis]

Rereading that thread was a fucking blast in the past. Can't believe it's a year already.

Bonus mode: spot how many are saying Kyle would be found guilty

EDIT:
For those of you who wanted the best unedited video of the second shooting, it's this one:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/u-s-riots-of-may-2020-over-george-floyd-and-others.70231/post-7207744

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/u-s-riots-of-may-2020-over-george-floyd-and-others.70231/post-7207809

EDIT2:
First shooting:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/u-s-riots-of-may-2020-over-george-floyd-and-others.70231/post-7207947

Watching Pedobaum expire with fear in his eyes never gets old. Damn it's crazy to think it's been over a year, I still remember catching up with the thread here and all the pol threads. Thanks for posting the direct links lol

I heard some talk last night about the Pantifa family members could still file civil suits against Kyle for wrongful death. How likely is it that such bullshit would succeed?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Another rally in Kenosha by niggers and workers against "fascism" whatever the fuck that means at this point.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I am of mixed thoughts on whether there will or won't be. Boss has us all working from home for the next week just to be safe though, and our own analysis says the Democrats -have- to riot if they want to preserve anything at all from this. So it's going to be a driving need from up top meets total apathy from the bottom.

I figured the Democrats wouldn't want riots anymore but I'm genuinely curious as to your reasoning for why they need them now. Devil's advocate I'd guess it's because they need to keep their activist base fired up about white supremacy instead of letting them stew in the ineffectual, terminally online rage they currently are?

 

[Gehenna]

Watching Pedobaum expire with fear in his eyes never gets old. Damn it's crazy to think it's been over a year, I still remember catching up with the thread here and all the pol threads. Thanks for posting the direct links lol

I heard some talk last night about the Pantifa family members could still file civil suits against Kyle for wrongful death. How likely is it that such bullshit would succeed?

They can try, but the burden of proof would be pretty god damn high on a wrongful death suit here. Self-defense is in fact a defense in that.

 

[St.Davis]

Another rally in Kenosha by niggers and workers against "fascism" whatever the fuck that means at this point.

Here we go. My money's on something "interesting" happening during this "protest". I'm aware that's rather vague.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

I stumbled across this as I was organizing one of my unsorted archive folders. Obviously less relevant now, but it's a decent one to put in your folders.

"The Truth in Eleven Minutes"

 

[Matt Damon]

Another rally in Kenosha by niggers and workers against "fascism" whatever the fuck that means at this point.

Another very low energy rally. Many such cases.

 

[Michael Janke]

They can try, but the burden of proof would be pretty god damn high on a wrongful death suit here. Self-defense is in fact a defense in that.

i think its actually illegal to sue someone for wrongful death if that death was ruled self defense.
someone like OJ obviously didnt kill his wife in self defense.

 

[St.Davis]

Another very low energy rally. Many such cases.

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It's still earlyish in the day, none of the more meaningful stuff is likely to happen until after dark, I'd wager.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

The pedophiles defending Rosenbaum got so absurd its trending!

 

[Gehenna]

I figured the Democrats wouldn't want riots anymore but I'm genuinely curious as to your reasoning for why they need them now. Devil's advocate I'd guess it's because they need to keep their activist base fired up about white supremacy instead of letting them stew in the ineffectual, terminally online rage they currently are?

They don't want them, but want and need are two separate things. The ability to threaten riots, to in a broader sense use intimidation to get what they want is their most powerful tactic.

Give us the right verdict, or we will riot.
Give us the policy we want, or we will attack you.
Suck the girl dick, transphobe, or we will beat you.

It is everywhere if you consider it.

And with this verdict, their golem which enforces this intimidation now realizes it is vulnerable, that it can be hurt, that its members can be killed. And the person who did it will face no consequences. What is worse beyond that, now everyone they'd intimidate -sees the same thing-.

If they do not make good the threat, it utterly destroys their ability to intimidate. The threat was made, the bluff was called, and if they do not make it a reality the single most powerful, most omnipresent tactic of the Left is utterly, irreparably damaged.

 

[AnOminous]

Further, consider the potentiality that rationalizing away your instincts is tantamount to spiritual suicide. Mull over the hypothetical that this is known, in various capacities, by a particular subset of people, who readily, as if by an instinct of their own, rationalize to death that which resists their pestilence, while leaving that which enables them unquestioned and without investigation.

You can use logic and rationality to think about ethics but you can't really derive a priori essential principles from them. Eventually at some point you need to assume at least some basics. Some are so universal that they seem as if they actually must be categorical imperatives, things like the prohibition on murder.

Utilitarianism, for instance, can be useful, but taken too far, can lead to what amounts to moral nonsense, like that murdering one person is somehow more moral than inconveniencing a lot of people. There aren't very many of these basic principles. Almost all of Christianity is encapsulated in just ten basic ones.

Such principles should be such that there is no "greater good" that justifies violating them.

There's a legal doctrine called necessity where breaking the law is justified if there is no lawful way to achieve the same end and the end avoids greater harm than violating the law causes. For instance, driving drunk because you are the only person who can take an injured person to the hospital. By comparison, intentionally killing someone who poses you no threat is never considered justified.

 

[Sithis]

I figured the Democrats wouldn't want riots anymore but I'm genuinely curious as to your reasoning for why they need them now. Devil's advocate I'd guess it's because they need to keep their activist base fired up about white supremacy instead of letting them stew in the ineffectual, terminally online rage they currently are?

From a human psychology perspective, it's because they know they are losing/have lost the momentum. Now that Kyle has been acquitted they have lost the fear bludgeon they were using to keep the masses from springing up. But the big one is the momentum, their entire platform relies on convincing people they have to get pissed and burn shit down because SOMETHING is wrong.
But most people, even among the professional activist class, get wearied out after a while, especially after so many setbacks.
If there's no riot in response to Kenosha Kid verdict, it sends the message that the momentum is gone, and they can't afford that heading into 2022 because it's all they have, the "screeeeeeeeeech, everything is white supremacy, screeeeeeeeeech!"

It's hilarious how badly they shot themselves in the feet without any prodding when they banned Trump from social media, because Orange Man Bad was their most effective rallying cry to get everyone whipped up in a frenzy. Without Trump being able to shitpost constantly and stay in public view though, they're not as easily able to make their pet creatures afraid of him and stir them into doing stupid shit.