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Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once
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I'm not an endocrinologist, but Lupron is associated with an increased risk of dementia. I think that's where people are getting the whole damaged brain thing, in combination with the social intelligence we get from typical hormonally driven adolescence.
I've wasted more time than I care to admit watching television, and Jazz doesn't strike me as intellectually disabled, just very anxious and depressed with low social intelligence. There are more qualified people in this thread who could answer your question, but who knows if they'll see your post or not?
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Good luck going through any form of puberty after they cut off the junk producing required hormones and having only substitutes for a real thing and even then it's ones not meant for your biology.
He's probably not actually retarded but I think he has missed out on insane amount of normal things associated with just growing up that he will never, ever be able to relate to any normal person, his entire life is a fucking script and any time he tries to ad-lib he gets told to STFU and play along.
How are you supposed to not be stunted in some way when your earliest memories are probably related to your parents telling you they'll make sure your dick gets cut off when you don't even comprehend what your dick is beyond maybe noticing that it's a thing girls don't have.
His entire existence is a televised socio/medical experiment and it's morbidly fascinating.
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Blockers at that age isn't too bad as she is the type of person that they should be for. Around the appropriate age she was allowed to have been weaned off them in a safe manner and her body could release their intended hormones in a natural manner.
Jazz didn't have that. At a crucial time of development he had blockers and was basically castrated before being pumped full of estrogen. Their is so much physical and mental developments that go on during those years that Jazz will never be able to recreate.
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I dunno. I've seen a few things indicating that depression (clinical depression) is correlated with a decrease in "performance IQ" but luckily it seems you gain it back when the depression is treated.
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I think it's really hard here to separate IQ, biochemistry, psych meds, personality, and environment.
In a cursory search of articles about neutering dogs, it says that neutered dogs lose interest in sex, become less aggressive, and are less likely to roam. It also says that weight gain is common, both from decreased activity level and changes in metabolism.
"It is widely – and falsely – believed that neutering “calms a dog down”. However, an adult or adolescent dog’s basic temperament is relatively independent of testosterone, and neutering won’t make any significant changes to his intelligence or personality. What it can do is affect his emotional state, and what behavioural options occur to him. The exact mechanism isn’t clear, but testosterone is also a major factor in determining a dog’s levels of self-confidence, so he may be more likely to start a fight because he’s more likely to believe that he can win it!
While it would be a nice story to say that dogs became anxious after castration because of the psychological trauma from the loss of their testicles, this doesn’t actually happen. What does happen is a fairly rapid drop in blood testosterone, the very hormone that was keeping them self-confident and relaxed in the presence of potentially threatening objects. So, we might well imagine that the dog’s thought process of “yes, that person’s a bit scary, but I’m sure I could take them so I don’t need to worry” changes to “oh no, that person’s scary, I need to drive them off before they can hurt me”. Without that confidence-boosting hormone, dogs who are prone to anxiety often get a lot worse."
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So just looking at the removal of Jazz's balls and blocking of any T, what do we see? No interest in sex, anxiety, lack of confidence, weight gain, and potential loss of interest in exercise.
A lot of these are also side effects of psych meds.
It's hard to pull apart intellectual and physical laziness here.
I agree that he seems dumb, but look who he's surrounded by.
Fucking Einstein would look at Sander and think that he's singlehandedly a refutation of the idea that Jews are smart.
In a cursory search of articles about neutering dogs, it says that neutered dogs lose interest in sex, become less aggressive, and are less likely to roam. It also says that weight gain is common, both from decreased activity level and changes in metabolism.
"It is widely – and falsely – believed that neutering “calms a dog down”. However, an adult or adolescent dog’s basic temperament is relatively independent of testosterone, and neutering won’t make any significant changes to his intelligence or personality. What it can do is affect his emotional state, and what behavioural options occur to him. The exact mechanism isn’t clear, but testosterone is also a major factor in determining a dog’s levels of self-confidence, so he may be more likely to start a fight because he’s more likely to believe that he can win it!
While it would be a nice story to say that dogs became anxious after castration because of the psychological trauma from the loss of their testicles, this doesn’t actually happen. What does happen is a fairly rapid drop in blood testosterone, the very hormone that was keeping them self-confident and relaxed in the presence of potentially threatening objects. So, we might well imagine that the dog’s thought process of “yes, that person’s a bit scary, but I’m sure I could take them so I don’t need to worry” changes to “oh no, that person’s scary, I need to drive them off before they can hurt me”. Without that confidence-boosting hormone, dogs who are prone to anxiety often get a lot worse."
My dog’s really nervous after neutering - what can I do?
It is widely - and falsely - believed that neutering “calms a dog down”. However, an adult or adolescent dog’s basic temperament is relatively independent of testosterone, and neutering won’t make any significant changes to his intelligence or personality.
vethelpdirect.com
So just looking at the removal of Jazz's balls and blocking of any T, what do we see? No interest in sex, anxiety, lack of confidence, weight gain, and potential loss of interest in exercise.
A lot of these are also side effects of psych meds.
It's hard to pull apart intellectual and physical laziness here.
I agree that he seems dumb, but look who he's surrounded by.
Fucking Einstein would look at Sander and think that he's singlehandedly a refutation of the idea that Jews are smart.
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Apparently all the TRA publicity about "pausing" puberty is fake. Exulansic has a great video on it.
Puberty Blocker Propaganda Parade
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Because he literally is. Retardation means to be delayed and Jazz hasn't had a normal development and he's about ten years behind.
On top of that, he's not been exposed to scenarios most kids his age are. These scenarios help them to learn how to properly behave and act in society.
Jazz acts like a 12 years old brat, male or female, doesn't matter. And he need attention in a way many kids don't, he's basically a child star.
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Puberty blockers have been linked to drops in IQ less than one standard deviation, so they don't make people retarded but they do seem to make them less than they could have been. Lost potential is harder to measure than outright damage, if you give a kid these drugs and they turn into a drooling vegetable that's pretty clear cut but if they grow up seemingly normal and have an unspectacular life, it's harder to point out where things went wrong. You can't prove they would have achieved more. That woman you know may have the same problem but she's still within the normal range so the difference isn't detectable. She also had the benefit of being allowed to go through natural puberty when it was appropriate, Jazz never did because his male body had to try to make do with horse piss estrogen.
I think Jazz's childishness is mostly due to Jeanette keeping him like that so he stays wrapped around her finger, and isn't helped by the blockers making him a bit dimmer than he would have been without them.
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Yeah, there's also the issue of him not having a lot of friends in high school. Prom was ruined because his troon friend had a scripted PTSD episode. He was home schooled instead of learning how to grow thicker skin. And now he just went from filming random commercials to being thrown into Harvard.
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To be clear, I was referring to Jazz and Sander, not you, when I said they should log off if they cannot grow a thicker skin.
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The difference is that your friend was allowed to go through puberty. The flush of estrogen / testosterone triggered by puberty are central to brain development in the areas of emotional regulation in particular, and also in terms of long term decision making and understanding the long term future consequences of immediate actions in the present. All traits that adults have, but children (and I dare say Jazz) do not.
You mention that your friends health hasn’t been the greatest. You don’t elaborate, but when Lupron was used for a while to treat endometriosis, and when it was used more frequently for precocious puberty, some of the long term health problems were found to include:
Bones not fusing properly
Damage to connective tissue
Migraine and chronic pain
Emotional dysregulation
Cardio / pulmonary issues
Chronic inflammation
Much longer term, suspected greater vulnerability to stroke and cancer
Now imagine being a troon kid and having your natural bodily and brain growth chemically stunted, and then being flushed full of dangerous levels of opposite sex hormones.
It’s a double whammy for major , life shortening health problems and doctors did it to Jazz and are doing it to other kids.
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No he's not, and AFAIK he started oestrogen and blockers at 13 and now he is on oestrogen pills and have to take them until he dies, if Jazz has brain rǝtardation it's because
1) Zero testerone, this hormone doesn't just make teenagers horny, it also helps to develop their brain, bones and blood, women also have testosterone, 16 times less than a man to be exact, Jazz does not have the same testosterone as cis woman, in fact he probably has very very low even, a biological woman with this same level of testoserone as Jazz would have severe health complication and would suffer the same things as Jazz (depression, fatness, lazyiness and fatigue). But unlike a cis woman, Jazz has a body with XY cells and inject artificial hormones, even if his body (try to) work with oestrogen, it wasn't supposed to.
2) Jazz cut off his balls, balls are where testosterone is produced, not only does he not have balls anymore, but those balls was never activated because of blockers (this is why he has a baby dick btw). Testosterone also have an impressive antidepressant effect has it produces a lot of dopamine, remember Jazz takes SSRI since the age he started oestrogen.
If Jeanette let Jazz's balls pump testosterone for at least a year BEFORE putting him on blocker+oestrogen, he would have enough "material" for his surgery and would have been way happier (and maye nothing would happen because he would detransition) .
3) Lupron
4) I read few years ago that a part of your brain (hippocampus) can shrink if you don't "use" them regularly, aside from neurodegenerative diseases, it's people with severe chronic depression who mostly suffer from hippocampus shrinking, as they can't do or produce thing for years, their brain literally treat their hippocampus as "useless" and let it slowly shrinks, it's fucking creepy and if Jazz end up chronically depressed this is the path he'll take.
edit: corrected mistakes here and there, please excuse my english
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I wish we could use this word more often because it's actually very helpful.
Someone who is developmentally re.tarded isn't really the same as someone who has a "cap" on their abilities, and you would need different therapies and teaching techniques to help them live a healthy life.
Jazz is re.tarded, but not completely hopeless. If given proper help, I think there's hope there.
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I feel the big overarching issue here is, if and when reality ever sets in and Jazz comes to grips with the fact that he's just been a walking experiment gone horribly wrong since he donned a pink t-shirt or whatever the fuck that made his mom decide to troon him out, where does he go from there? His dick and ability to get his rocks off is gone, and sex isn't the be all end all, but dammit if sexual intercourse and reproduction doesn't play an important role in most peoples lives. Just past the superficiality of sex in and of itself, it plays a role in bonding and relationships.
At that point, it's about finding purpose in life. I think we've seen he doesn't have a penchant for finding deeper meaning to life and instead just chimping out about little boys not being able to dominate girls sports, being that he's been mentally stunted and his brain is probably stuck on 15. The perfect age for being ignorant and naive might I add. Add to that, how will he go from pushing the troon propaganda and being firmly planted in the alphabet community, to taking such an extreme, polar opposite stance and losing every "friend" and "ally" he's ever had up to this point? And a nice paycheck, of course. Not to mention that his family and every other person in his bubble is fully complicit in creating this make believe world that's almost impossible for him to break out of.
Kid is fucked unless he's got big brained plays he's been hiding from us this entire time. I'm not so convinced. At the moment he's on course to get the bad ending to The Truman Show.
At that point, it's about finding purpose in life. I think we've seen he doesn't have a penchant for finding deeper meaning to life and instead just chimping out about little boys not being able to dominate girls sports, being that he's been mentally stunted and his brain is probably stuck on 15. The perfect age for being ignorant and naive might I add. Add to that, how will he go from pushing the troon propaganda and being firmly planted in the alphabet community, to taking such an extreme, polar opposite stance and losing every "friend" and "ally" he's ever had up to this point? And a nice paycheck, of course. Not to mention that his family and every other person in his bubble is fully complicit in creating this make believe world that's almost impossible for him to break out of.
Kid is fucked unless he's got big brained plays he's been hiding from us this entire time. I'm not so convinced. At the moment he's on course to get the bad ending to The Truman Show.
That's just one of the many things that is endlessly repeated on here (along with, did you know, Jazz is fat?), often without ever having watched the show.
He seems intelligent enough to me if somewhat lazy and emotionally immature, but that can be said about a lot of people whose puberty wasn't suppressed.
There would be plenty of people - on the other side - to support him if he ever woke up and smelled the coffee and detransitioned, to the extent possible (testostorone and a double mastectomy), and speaking out against the trooning of kids could become his reason d'etre. He may not be able to HELP waking up; I suspect that's what his "mental health struggles" are all about -- the struggle to repress what he subconsciously knows to be true. It's also why Jeanette is afraid to leave him alone with his own thoughts for five minutes ("Jazz shouldn't have much down time."), probably on the advice of cousin Debbie.
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"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." -- Mel Brooks
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She got breast cancer at the ripe age of 22. While nobody can prove her precocious puberty treatment had anything to do with it, it’s suspected. However, she’s a mature girl, very sweet and certainly average in intelligence.
The crazy thing is the treatment for her cancer subtype is suppressing estrogen again, and they have a very hard time doing it. She was on tamoxifen and another one that I forget the name of, then went back to Lupron, which she hates. She also has a regular infusion to strengthen her bones. Still, she got pregnant 4 times, some before, some during treatment. All healthy children. She was a dancer so bones/ligaments/weight were good but the treatment causes bone pain. Guess all cancer treatment does.
That’s enough powerlevelling about my friend but she is on a different therapy and doing as well as can be expected.
If I gave the impression that I thought hormone blockers were benign, I shouldn’t have.
To me, it also seems that people discount life experience and put everything on hormones. I’ve watched the show, I agree Jazz is very immature and delayed, but I also blame a lot of that on his family and being spoiled. Jeannette never seemed to allow him to face consequences of what he was doing. For example, once the surgery was done it’d be up to the kid to dilate or not and if it closed up, not my problem. But Jeannette seems to think she’s responsible for everything Jazz does, including getting up at the right time. Of course that’s going to keep a person immature, so at this point it’s hard to say what is physical and can’t be overcome, and what is mental and possible to get past.
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Re: IQ and puberty blockers - the only study that I've seen on this is that they suspected that the individual IQ score would've been around 10 IQ points higher; however if you're bang on average (100), dropping to 90 isn't a huge deal since the average intelligence is around 85-115. It's only when you drop below 70 that you're officially a tard. None of the Bloshinsky kids seem to have low IQs so I'd image that Jazz might end up being on the lower end of average (IQ wise, not in EQ or just being plain streetwise).