Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Tree]

That is the logical conclusion of what you're suggesting.

I don't think it is. Reminds me of leftists calling something benign fascist. Just because it isn't the furthest possible thing away from acting on crazy impulse doesn't mean it is acting on crazy impulse.

I would argue that leftists are already doing exactly what you described, relying on their rationality that Kyle Rittenhouse is indeed a white supremacist instead of referring to the empirical video evidence to see everyone shot was in fact a white man attempting to kill a Spanish minor out of criminal impulse & herd psychology. It's the reason they keep banging on the white supremacy drum even harder since his acquittal & are now calling for a Communist revolution. These people live in a deluded fantasy world concocted out of pure rationality instead of empirical evidence.

Perhaps there's some semantic disagreement here, but I'd argue that they are only superficially "rational". In the end it's them creating a worldview that justifies their use of power. I believe we agree they willfully ignore empirical evidence that would oppose this purpose, though I believe there are actors for which "rationality" was never their honest aim at any point, who use the flaws of the "rational" mind to manipulate those enamored with it. A significant part of what I was saying was to recognize many modern "rational" criticisms of instinct are laced with malice, and are intentionally designed to disarm, domesticate, and atomize people, if not worse.

This including what I originally was replying too: the rational idea that people shouldn't be instinctively apprehensive of faggotry.

 

[Xarpho]

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I don't know how to fully explain my disgust for this man THING as I do now.

edit: looking at the responses from Zodiac killer's retweet of this vid, I just don't know. I can't debate with these people, even in my head. They don't have the correct facts.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1463192633900158982

No shit he’s not a legal expert by his own admission.

So what exactly does he want? Borders are important now? Self defense is illegal? White people shouldn’t have any rights? Rioters dindu nuffin? These “people” keep making vague threats about how the legal system ought to operate but they never say how it should be done.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

I feel like the 2nd one is a joke but I’m honestly not sure yet. It sounds too much like Kamala Harris type or Hillary Clinton kind of lies.
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I'm fairly certain it is a joke. "My 3 year old gay son" feels like something Jim might shitpost.

 

[pwnest injun]

If Antifa starts arming up for protests, it's probably for the best. Here's why.

Their natural habitat is a murky gray area at the boundary between protest, inciting violence and self defense. Their mission is to violently intimidate their political opponents and kill a few when they can, everyone who's paying attention knows this. But their strategy is based around obscuring their real tactics with their violent street operatives hiding behind the facade of a peaceful protest.

That's why they do things like throwing frozen water bottles and hurling bricks from behind umbrellas. They hide their faces and ambush people from behind, always leaving themselves an out where they can say "that wasn't us!"

If they come to protests armed, the whole equation changes. One reason Kyle's case is so damaging to them is that both the prosecution and defense agreed that if you bring a gun to a protest, start a fight and shoot someone, you're responsible. Kyle had to shoot Pedobaum because he was trying to grab his rifle. People have told me that when they carry, they're much less confrontational than they would be otherwise, because if they get into a fight and someone punches them out, that person can take their gun. When carrying, they'd avoid so much as getting into an argument, because when you have a gun any confrontation is potentially lethal.

This turns their whole game upside down. They can bluff and make excuses for violence by masked people, but if those people are armed it takes on a whole different level of severity. If they get into a fight with a "chud" and it's going badly for them, they may be faced with a choice between shooting someone or having their gun fall into the hands of an enemy. If they charge at police while carrying guns those police have a strong justification for opening fire on them. National Guard troops would have to be deployed with live rounds if the Antifa crowd are all carrying guns.

Antifa's model was imported from Europe and it made more sense there because no one can go to a protest carrying rifles in Germany. In a society that allows armed self-defense, their cowardly attacks are a non-starter. If the protest crowd is armed, Eric Clanton's bike lock shenanigans don't work. Michael Reinoehl was a good example of what happens when you add guns to Antifa tactics - they commit brazen murders and then get taken out in a hail of police bullets, because once you start shooting people you can't hide behind "tee hee, we're mostly peaceful."

And the best move for counterprotesters is to start wearing body cams, particularly ones that can be hidden. If Antifa doesn't know which of the people walking around could be recording them, they'll be even more scared to try anything. If there was livestreamed video of them taking the first shots at someone their entire operation would collapse.

There's usually a dozen or so AntiFA armed with rifles and twice as many with pistols at any Portland demo for the past year or so. They stay away from the smashy burny types and mostly watch roads to limit access to the core of the mob.

 

[TheClappening]

If Antifa starts arming up for protests, it's probably for the best. Here's why.

Their natural habitat is a murky gray area at the boundary between protest, inciting violence and self defense. Their mission is to violently intimidate their political opponents and kill a few when they can, everyone who's paying attention knows this. But their strategy is based around obscuring their real tactics with their violent street operatives hiding behind the facade of a peaceful protest.

That's why they do things like throwing frozen water bottles and hurling bricks from behind umbrellas. They hide their faces and ambush people from behind, always leaving themselves an out where they can say "that wasn't us!"

If they come to protests armed, the whole equation changes. One reason Kyle's case is so damaging to them is that both the prosecution and defense agreed that if you bring a gun to a protest, start a fight and shoot someone, you're responsible. Kyle had to shoot Pedobaum because he was trying to grab his rifle. People have told me that when they carry, they're much less confrontational than they would be otherwise, because if they get into a fight and someone punches them out, that person can take their gun. When carrying, they'd avoid so much as getting into an argument, because when you have a gun any confrontation is potentially lethal.

This turns their whole game upside down. They can bluff and make excuses for violence by masked people, but if those people are armed it takes on a whole different level of severity. If they get into a fight with a "chud" and it's going badly for them, they may be faced with a choice between shooting someone or having their gun fall into the hands of an enemy. If they charge at police while carrying guns those police have a strong justification for opening fire on them. National Guard troops would have to be deployed with live rounds if the Antifa crowd are all carrying guns.

Antifa's model was imported from Europe and it made more sense there because no one can go to a protest carrying rifles in Germany. In a society that allows armed self-defense, their cowardly attacks are a non-starter. If the protest crowd is armed, Eric Clanton's bike lock shenanigans don't work. Michael Reinoehl was a good example of what happens when you add guns to Antifa tactics - they commit brazen murders and then get taken out in a hail of police bullets, because once you start shooting people you can't hide behind "tee hee, we're mostly peaceful."

And the best move for counterprotesters is to start wearing body cams, particularly ones that can be hidden. If Antifa doesn't know which of the people walking around could be recording them, they'll be even more scared to try anything. If there was livestreamed video of them taking the first shots at someone their entire operation would collapse.

TLDR: An armed society is a polite society.

 

[LaxerBRO]

This is a brainlet take, to be quite honest.

I know you don't like Trump, but I respect you so I'm gonna ask, can you at least be objective about the things Trump has accomplished?

Your TDS is by far your only flaw. Didn't North Korea have nukes all throughout the Bush Jr. & Obama presidencies? What country doesn't have nukes at this point? You do know North Korea's nukes are incompetently built and are more likely to hit the ocean than any intended target, right? What's NORAD?

The instant they fire a nuke, everyone will know & everyone will be on their ass like African Bees. North Korea has next to no allies & will be obliterated in retaliation if they actually fire a nuke. Why would North Korea bother to fire a nuke at the United States anyway & not at a closer rival like South Korea or Taiwan?

Let's be real, you hate Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-un not because of what he did while he was there, but because it was Donald Trump doing it. If it were Obama, Hillary or Biden, there'd be no material difference except you'd be singing a different tune because they're establishment Democrats instead of an outsider Republican.

Mainland China has given the US a green light on full scale retaliation if North Korea nukes the United States in a first strike.

China would not come to North Korea’s aid if it were to launch missiles that threaten U.S. territory and prompt a U.S. retaliation, the editorial said.

The idea is simple. Current North Korean ICBM technology can only reach the West Coast and parts of the remote North East.

Likely targets would include Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, etc. The immediate economic loss will be in the hundreds of billions with overall long term losses in the trillions. Such an attack would send the US and the world into global recession.

This recession would affect the Chinese as well, perhaps even more so as their nations economy is built on a house of cards. This is not even counting the loss of life of Chinese Nationals in the West Coast cities in addition to diplomatic officials.

Could China counter strike the US if NK launches? Sure but they don't have enough nukes for a successful crippling first strike against the U.S. By the time the the Chinese issue the launch codes our missiles, bombers, and subs will be at DEFCON 1 a be able to launch in a minute or so. They could take out our major cities but we would annihilate them.

China will not permit that to happen. They already have people installed in the NK regime that will assassinate Kim if he orders a strike. After all, we make them more money in a week than NK probably generates for them in a year.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Perhaps there's some semantic disagreement here, but I'd argue that they are only superficially "rational". In the end it's them creating a worldview that justifies their use of power.

I am using the Ancient Greek definition of rationality of "I know it in my gut." Rationality is supposed to be the diametric opposite of empirical evidence.

This including what I originally was replying too: the rational idea that people shouldn't be instinctively apprehensive of faggotry.

By the Ancient Greek standard (irony lol) the disgust response to gay sex would be considered a facet of rationality because it has no basis in empirical evidence, you are listening to your instincts, to be informed from within rather than without.

Leftists do this shit in spades, & the Rittenhouse trial is the perfect model of it. How many people still think Rosenbaum, Huber & Grosskreutz were black men? How many people still think that Rittenhouse is white? How many of them abjectly refuse to acknowledge the video evidence of Kyle defending himself? How many people still think Grosskreutz was pulling out his phone when he was shot, despite his testimony confessing to pulling a gun?

That fits the Greek definition of rationality to a T.

No shit he’s not a legal expert by his own admission.

So what exactly does he want? Borders are important now? Self defense is illegal? White people shouldn’t have any rights? Rioters dindu nuffin? These “people” keep making vague threats about how the legal system ought to operate but they never say how it should be done.

That's because they don't care about the exact framework, they want it to work like a club where the clique decides everything so they all get their preferred outcome. At least that's my best guess.

 

[Black Light Red Panic]

This is a brainlet take, to be quite honest.

I know you don't like Trump, but I respect you so I'm gonna ask, can you at least be objective about the things Trump has accomplished?

Your TDS is by far your only flaw. Didn't North Korea have nukes all throughout the Bush Jr. & Obama presidencies? What country doesn't have nukes at this point? You do know North Korea's nukes are incompetently built and are more likely to hit the ocean than any intended target, right? What's NORAD?

The instant they fire a nuke, everyone will know & everyone will be on their ass like African Bees. North Korea has next to no allies & will be obliterated in retaliation if they actually fire a nuke. Why would North Korea bother to fire a nuke at the United States anyway & not at a closer rival like South Korea or Taiwan?

Let's be real, you hate Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-un not because of what he did while he was there, but because it was Donald Trump doing it. If it were Obama, Hillary or Biden, there'd be no material difference except you'd be singing a different tune because they're establishment Democrats instead of an outsider Republican.

It's funny because even in that scenario he still wouldn't be a real lawyer.

 

[DumbDude42]

This is a brainlet take, to be quite honest.

I know you don't like Trump, but I respect you so I'm gonna ask, can you at least be objective about the things Trump has accomplished?

Your TDS is by far your only flaw. Didn't North Korea have nukes all throughout the Bush Jr. & Obama presidencies? What country doesn't have nukes at this point? You do know North Korea's nukes are incompetently built and are more likely to hit the ocean than any intended target, right? What's NORAD?

The instant they fire a nuke, everyone will know & everyone will be on their ass like African Bees. North Korea has next to no allies & will be obliterated in retaliation if they actually fire a nuke. Why would North Korea bother to fire a nuke at the United States anyway & not at a closer rival like South Korea or Taiwan?

Let's be real, you hate Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-un not because of what he did while he was there, but because it was Donald Trump doing it. If it were Obama, Hillary or Biden, there'd be no material difference except you'd be singing a different tune because they're establishment Democrats instead of an outsider Republican.

the north koreea wank was always pure PR.
nothing about drumpf shaking hands with fatboy kim had any real world impact, it's literally a pure optics stunt. it didn't change the norks policies in any meaningful way, didn't change anything about nork/sork relations, didn't change anything about the norks ambiguous nuclear situation, nothing. the one and only purpose of it was so that trumps fanboys could use it as a talking point about what a great genius master diplomat orange man is.

 

[Black Light Red Panic]

the north koreea wank was always pure PR.
nothing about drumpf shaking hands with fatboy kim had any real world impact, it's literally a pure optics stunt. it didn't change the norks policies in any meaningful way, didn't change anything about nork/sork relations, didn't change anything about the norks ambiguous nuclear situation, nothing. the one and only purpose of it was so that trumps fanboys could use it as a talking point about what a great genius master diplomat orange man is.

Wrong thread, TDSmoothbrain.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Ah yes the old lolbert fantasy that degenerates become based freedom lovers once they get a freedom stick in their hands and not another repobate with an itch to kill a wrongthinker at first opportunity.

Yeah, if Antifa are gunning up explicitly in response to Rittenhouse's acquittal, they already see guns as tools of force & likely never believed guns were innately harmful in the first place, and just used such rhetoric to disarm other people to make it easier on themselves to throw riots.

If I had to guess what the end-game is, it's probably pushing gun restrictions to such a point it was near impossible to obtain a firearm through legal channels and then smuggle in their own full auto weapons through the border.

 

[tigergrinder]

It's kinda sad that these are the heroes of the anti-left. A fat old 1%er and a Call of Duty fanboy who shot up a couple of tribesmen (look up the names). This kid is going to be getting girl's phone numbers like Ted Bundy just for appearing in court on TV, and all he did was shoot wildly into the night at some leftist cucks.

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What happened the classical ideal of a hero and the heroes journey?

You know nothing of the hero's journey. Kyle demonstrated the first and second steps beautifully:
1. Hero is called to adventure/journey: Kyle went to Kenosha to defend the car lot.
2. Hero rejects the call: Kyle doesn't give in to the protestors' harassment of him.
There's no step 3 in this because there was no supernatural mentor, no wizard to guide him.
Step 4 was crossing the threshold which he did the second he shot Luber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz. Then came step 5, new helpers/enemies making themselves known; aka dividing the country in half. His "death and rebirth" were his imprisonment and court trial. Plunged into jail for several months, no running water, locked away from his friends and family, I'd call that "death". I'd also argue his 3-hour shower in which his skin was bleeding would definitely count as the rebirth stage. He shed off his old self and became a new man. Right now, he's on the "road back" from his journey. We'll see how the final stages play out in the next year or so.
Anyway, read more books, stupid.

 

[Black Light Red Panic]

Yeah, if Antifa are gunning up explicitly in response to Rittenhouse's acquittal, they already see guns as tools of force & likely never believed guns were innately harmful in the first place, and just used such rhetoric to disarm other people to make it easier on themselves to throw riots.

If I had to guess what the end-game is, it's probably pushing gun restrictions to such a point it was near impossible to obtain a firearm through legal channels and then smuggle in their own full auto weapons through the border.

So you're saying it's all one massive elaborate series if false flags, scams, lies and fanning the flames for the Express purpose of eventually shellshocking Americans who have never tasted violence with limited home front conflicts into banning all guns once and for all? Nothing like a small insurrection to justify the boot.

I just hope they can round up enough shabbos glowies to pull it off so they can blame white supremacy still because the actual wignats and dysgenic protestants will never do anything

 

[Hippopatumus]

So you're saying it's all one massive elaborate series if false flags, scams, lies and fanning the flames for the Express purpose of eventually shellshocking Americans who have never tasted violence with limited home front conflicts into banning all guns once and for all? Nothing like a small insurrection to justify the boot.

I just hope they can round up enough shabbos glowies to pull it off so they can blame white supremacy still because the actual wignats and dysgenic protestants will never do anything

Think of the literal hundreds of guns they would recover during a forced buy-back ban.

 

[Xarpho]

You know nothing of the hero's journey. Kyle demonstrated the first and second steps beautifully:
1. Hero is called to adventure/journey: Kyle went to Kenosha to defend the car lot.
2. Hero rejects the call: Kyle doesn't give in to the protestors' harassment of him.
There's no step 3 in this because there was no supernatural mentor, no wizard to guide him.
Step 4 was crossing the threshold which he did the second he shot Luber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz. Then came step 5, new helpers/enemies making themselves known; aka dividing the country in half. His "death and rebirth" were his imprisonment and court trial. Plunged into jail for several months, no running water, locked away from his friends and family, I'd call that "death". I'd also argue his 3-hour shower in which his skin was bleeding would definitely count as the rebirth stage. He shed off his old self and became a new man. Right now, he's on the "road back" from his journey. We'll see how the final stages play out in the next year or so.
Anyway, read more books, stupid.

I don’t know about Step 3, between some lucky shots, some “ironic” places where the protesters were actually hit, and all that, perhaps there was someone up there looking out for him.

 

[tigergrinder]

Kennedy v. Louisiana - Wikipedia

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Apparently the SCOTUS in 2008 decided that sending pedos to hell is not okay unless they kill their victims.

They should really, really overturn this. I bet no one on the Supreme Court was ever molested as a child (or worse).
EDIT: Well now I'm just getting mad thinking about this. How fucking selfish is the SCOTUS to think that any kid would ever be okay knowing their rapist is out there? Even if it's 10-20 years down the line? It should be a "one strike and you're out, permanently" rule. Across the board. Hope somebody fucking takes them to the mat over this.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I'm surprised Antifa does not take advantage of California's ban on open carry though I don't see this state c hanging anything unless a Republican at the federal level starts going hardball against it.

 

[Dan Abrams]

Reminder that Devon Dunham was recently found not guilty of murder after he sprayed a retired fire chief with bullets because he 'felt threatened' when he was refused a ride and nobody in the media gave a single shit about what kind of 'precedent' that could send.

This is probably fake, I heard on CNN that black people are never allowed the self defense excuse and will go to prison forever for everything.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Something happens in Wisconsin and they burn down a building in Oregon. The Pacific Northwest has to be the most pathetic region of the United States.

I guess the ANTIFA/BLM planners got the memo that any prolonged rioting would make President Biden look bad. Though the weekend is still young.

What are the odds that Biden would actually act on stopping any new riots? He strikes me as a mouthpiece who likes his control, he also set up a massive cordon around the White House after his election. Would he tolerate another new set of riots under his own presidency, or would it have to show up to his front door & affect him personally before he acts on anything?

 

[Vivec]

In Classic they do damage.. just very little.

Also, is this fake? I know the one in the trial was a Tiktok. The id is "killerbean8000"
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