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Sorry to go a bit OT here (mods plz move if need be), but I've posted before about what little we know of the longer-term medical effects of transition, and I've been researching it quite a bit in my free time. I recently stumbled across this study, and since bacteria and gynecology aren't my particular area of academic expertise, I was wondering if there any kiwi-docs who would be willing to translate the medical jargon for the rest of us? Are any of you familiar with which bacteria are present in typical, healthy, real vaginas? Do you find anything in this study unexpected/interesting/especially gross? Obviously, "vaginas" that are made out of inside-out nutsacks and/or intestines aren't going to have the same microbiome (or pH balance) of an actual vagina, but I was just curious if anything stood out. Is staph commonly found inside a natal vagina? Is the presence of strep abnormal? What do these bacteria tell us about the overall situation in the average troon's pants?
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Going back to this just for a second here, I also wanted to call out that last line of the second paragraph.Not a doctor, but know some stuff about bacteria so can decode.
The first paragraph is basically just talking about bacterial classifications; bacteria are either gram positive or gram negative based on how they react to a stain. It discusses the shape of them (e.g. cocci are ball shaped, a fusiform rod is sort of lemon shaped, and spirochetes are spiral shaped) which is helpful with classifying what's in there. The overall appearance is something similar to what you'd get from a smear from a woman with bacterial vaginosis (although spirochetes can be a bit of a red flag as there's a bunch of those that can be pathogenic - disease causing - like syphilis). They didn't see any yeast cells.
They grew some bacteria from the smears. They found Staphylococcus epidermidis, which as the name suggests usually lives on the skin (and is probably on your skin right now) but can be found on mucosal membranes. It can form slimy biofilms and sometimes can cause disease if it gets inside you.
Streptococcus anginosus is the main cause of aerobic vaginitis (bacteria can be aerobic, growing in the presence of oxygen, or anaerobic, growing in the absence of oxygen, or both). Enterococcus faecalis, as the name suggests, is to do with shit - it usually lives in your gut. It can be found sometimes in the vagina but is also a big cause of vaginitis and UTIs. Corynebacterium is responsible for sexually transmitted vaginitis. Mobiluncus curtisii causes a very aggressive form of vaginitis that keeps recurring after treatment. Bacteroides ureolyticus (or Campylobacter ureolyticus) is an intestinal bacteria that generally isn't associated with bacterial vaginosis but generally just isn't in the vagina.
Vaginitis is like vaginosis but also with inflammation. Vaginosis means the vagina is infected with things it shouldn't be and usually presents with discharge, soreness and unpleasant smell.
Basically the bacteria in the amhole is very similar to bacteria in a diseased vagina, featuring skin and poop bacteria. However this bacteria doesn't necessarily cause any smelly discharge from the amhole, because it's not normal vaginal cells. I would assume these opportunistic infections succeed a lot better in an amhole, because the vagina is naturally acidic to help it fight off these things.
The only correlation is that if they're using the amhole for sex with men is there's a lot more poop bacteria in there.
I would assume that some of those bacteria lead to an unpleasant smell, just not necessarily discharge. Some of them ferment sugars etc which leads to a very specific bacterial smell.
Lactobacillus is a "friend" (in that it doesn't usually harm us and it forms mats that prevent other bacteria from getting in. Like "This is our turf.") It is incredibly important to normal, healthy vaginas, so the lack of any in these amholes (save the one) is noteworthy.
This is just proof they're insane. I can't fathom making a TikTok of something like this.
Jazz is looking larger than usual in Sander's latest tik tok... if that's even possible. I wonder how the wine really got shattered...