General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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Yeah I'm also seeing the fanart really start to show everywhere, it like every 3 or 4th post on my Twitter, not even remotely complaining. Think this move of just "hey btw here is Holox, one of the debuts in a few hours, your gonna drop everything you planned to watch right?" Seems to be playing off well, still got 4 to go, could be fun.
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Side note: Hell even Ina is drawing La+, I wonder if she will do all 5 as the debut... I doubt it but never know.
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Finally had time to watch the debut VOD. The production values in this 30 minutes were crazy and her voice sounded (for my untrained ears) like she could be a VA, extremely fitting for her character . Her stream peaked at 167,584 live viewers, should be a new record at least for hololive debuts, too. Definitely a strong start, curious how the other girls are.
Also I am maybe late but her name is La+ (Laplus), she seems to be demon, seeks world domination and is a genius. So she is basically a manifestation of the Laplace Demon?
Laplus really set the bar high for Gen 6, and it will be interesting to see the other members debut streams.

If the production values and VA are as good as Laplus' then I'll have to wonder if Gen 6 will focus more on streaming or on scripted productions like UMISEA.
 
That too, but we seem to apply it to more than just that.

Also, iirc it means Suckers Investing in Mediocre Pussy.
It's short for "simple."

I think the definition is the difference between a guy who pays a stripper because he liked her dance, and a guy who pays a stripper because he thinks it will make her go home with him.

For example, Gura has a few prolific superchatters who never seem to be anything but supportive whales who just say hello/thanks/make a joke/give encouragement; most of you know exactly who I'm talking about. Presuming they aren't spending money that should be earmarked for non-discretionary purposes, they are far less simps than the guy who sent the 32-SC poem about how he wants to be eaten by her, even if they've spent way more.
 
Also, iirc it means Suckers Investing in Mediocre Pussy
It's short for "simple."
Another definition is that simp derives from simpleton. Another one is that it derives from simper. And, there is a rap song called "Sippin' on some syrup" from Three 6 Mafia released in the 2000s which uses the word simp as the opposite of the word pimp. Pick and choose.
 
I'd say it's when your emotional attachment to a vtuber becomes more personal than your attachment as a fan towards an actor/musician. You're a simp if you start considering a specific vtuber as 'something more' than an artist you really like or enjoy. It doesn't mean you have to go full gachikoi route and declare your undying love for them; it's about giving them a treatment you'd give to someone you care about IRL.
Well shit, i guess i crossed that line long time ago. I don't know what it is about Mori but she pushes every right button for me but i am not delusional enough to believe that i would ever have a chance with her.
 
I'm pretty sure that this is the kind of scenario we see with Shinobu in Monogatari. All the lore mentions of having powers and knowledge locked away point toward that. Plus, the first piece of art she herself has used of herself, the one during the song, is this:
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It is noticeably in an older and more adult design, the Halo is visible coupled with a nun's veil (given that she is 'the fallen one'), and she has fucking gun. It seems like the implication is that, like Shinobu, more power=older appearance.

Which leads me to an interesting hope/rrat: Cover has been experimenting a lot more with varied designs and pushing more lore/backstory importance. I wonder if we'll see models changing more in the future to reflect this kind of thing. As of right now, this design doesn't seem so stage friendly (and with a voice like that this bitch better be on stage), so I wonder if a newer (taller) more adult design would come down the road that could be changed out. It would be an interesting kind of surprise and the 'release the limiter' meme fits right in.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the MV art means nothing because the original song looks like this. Laplace just replaced the cigarette with a gun
 
I'd say it's when your emotional attachment to a vtuber becomes more personal than your attachment as a fan towards an actor/musician. You're a simp if you start considering a specific vtuber as 'something more' than an artist you really like or enjoy. It doesn't mean you have to go full gachikoi route and declare your undying love for them; it's about giving them a treatment you'd give to someone you care about IRL.

I'd agree with this. Very few fans are Perfect Blue style obsessive creeps, or ones so deluded to think that their oshi personally loves them. This is true for JP and EN fandom alike. Most people throwing thousands of dollars per month at their oshi don't actually think that said vtuber is their girlfriend or something.

However, vtube fans in general are prone to forming deep levels of emotional attachment to vtubers, and that leads to simps. This is partially by design. When most people compare vtubers to idols they think only in terms of surface-level aspects - songs, outfit, unit themes, etc - but the real similarity is how agencies in both markets cultivate their fans.

Japanese idols often aren't that good at singing, dancing, acting, etc when they debut. Frankly some of them never become that good, especially compared to their hyper-polished counterparts from Korea. The appeal in Japanese idols is often not that they are the best at what they do, however. Instead, idol industry relies on fans who like the story aspect of idols - the experience of seeing them grow from newbies to stars and celebrating their milestones and events along the way. It's like seeing an anime character go through their character arc, except in real life, and as you watch your favourite idol progress through their career, you become emotionally invested in their growth. It almost becomes as if their success is your success, emotionally speaking. It's not a coincidence that idols typically enter the industry young and progress through this arc until they become adults before leaving the industry for something else. That point in a person's life coincides with the idea of a coming-of-age character story.

Vtubing, both intentionally and unintentionally, replicates much of this experience. This is why milestones like 3d debuts, first lives, and subscription counts (100k, 200k, etc) are such a big deal in the fandom, and why people love the idea of vtubers being "broken" girls who are discovered by their agency and then uplifted by the fans. Again, it's like an anime story, but "real." It makes vtubers more approachable and relatable than some hyper-polished actor or celebrity. It's why fans get together and work on projects for their oshi's birthday and anniversary or whatnot, something that does not happen nearly to the same extent for non-vtuber youtube content creators, even those with more subs than vtubers.

I should say that while I may come off as cynical - and I am, to an extent - I don't think this model isn't inherently bad or evil. At the end of the day vtubing is a business for agencies and a career for many vtubers. Marketing is important. And for some vtubers, following this model probably isn't even intentional most of the time. The result of it, though, is that we get simps, people who have deep emotional connections to vtubers they will likely never speak to, let alone meet, in their lives. These simps are an intentional part of the system.
 
I'd agree with this. Very few fans are Perfect Blue style obsessive creeps, or ones so deluded to think that their oshi personally loves them. This is true for JP and EN fandom alike. Most people throwing thousands of dollars per month at their oshi don't actually think that said vtuber is their girlfriend or something.

However, vtube fans in general are prone to forming deep levels of emotional attachment to vtubers, and that leads to simps. This is partially by design. When most people compare vtubers to idols they think only in terms of surface-level aspects - songs, outfit, unit themes, etc - but the real similarity is how agencies in both markets cultivate their fans.

Japanese idols often aren't that good at singing, dancing, acting, etc when they debut. Frankly some of them never become that good, especially compared to their hyper-polished counterparts from Korea. The appeal in Japanese idols is often not that they are the best at what they do, however. Instead, idol industry relies on fans who like the story aspect of idols - the experience of seeing them grow from newbies to stars and celebrating their milestones and events along the way. It's like seeing an anime character go through their character arc, except in real life, and as you watch your favourite idol progress through their career, you become emotionally invested in their growth. It almost becomes as if their success is your success, emotionally speaking. It's not a coincidence that idols typically enter the industry young and progress through this arc until they become adults before leaving the industry for something else. That point in a person's life coincides with the idea of a coming-of-age character story.

Vtubing, both intentionally and unintentionally, replicates much of this experience. This is why milestones like 3d debuts, first lives, and subscription counts (100k, 200k, etc) are such a big deal in the fandom, and why people love the idea of vtubers being "broken" girls who are discovered by their agency and then uplifted by the fans. Again, it's like an anime story, but "real." It makes vtubers more approachable and relatable than some hyper-polished actor or celebrity. It's why fans get together and work on projects for their oshi's birthday and anniversary or whatnot, something that does not happen nearly to the same extent for non-vtuber youtube content creators, even those with more subs than vtubers.

I should say that while I may come off as cynical - and I am, to an extent - I don't think this model isn't inherently bad or evil. At the end of the day vtubing is a business for agencies and a career for many vtubers. Marketing is important. And for some vtubers, following this model probably isn't even intentional most of the time. The result of it, though, is that we get simps, people who have deep emotional connections to vtubers they will likely never speak to, let alone meet, in their lives. These simps are an intentional part of the system.
The cure is simple, touch grass. Realize there are 7.9+ billion people in an overcrowded and dying world and you can't save everyone. Enjoy the time you have.
 
The cure is simple, touch grass. Realize there are 7.9+ billion people in an overcrowded and dying world and you can't save everyone. Enjoy the time you have.
sometimes you want to make the poor unskilled drone feel like they have a shot at making this streaming thing work out. you stumble on some kid with 50-100 viewers and you pop off a $100 dono or gift subs or buyshit off their wish list. They're so happy. You're dangling hope in front of them.

is that so wrong?

So, uh, anyone got a suggestion where to watch Cry Macho for the Pippa/Tenma stream tonight? Asking for a friend.

check your pms
 
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So, uh, anyone got a suggestion where to watch Cry Macho for the Pippa/Tenma stream tonight? Asking for a friend.
One of Tenma's mods is going to be streaming it in the discord server for a limited amount of people so you can try to get there early when it happens. Or you know just pirate it like a lot of other people.
 
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