General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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Sopmod Senior said:
So, uh, anyone got a suggestion where to watch Cry Macho for the Pippa/Tenma stream tonight? Asking for a friend.
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Someone by the name of "Hoshi Megurine" allegedly did a chargeback and run with a $1,300 VTuber model.

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damn that sucks. But they should be able to dispute a chargeback. unless they pulled the "not going to pay taxes" venmo, cashapp, paypal friends family shit. the artist didn't say how the transaction went down.

Laying Down Tired said:
One of Tenma's mods is going to be streaming it in the discord server for a limited amount of people so you can try to get there early when it happens. Or you know just pirate it like a lot of other people.
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better hurry, it's getting harder to pirate shit with 10 major release groups getting caught and the popular torrent sites handing out ips to the feds.
 
ReNPC doing a Part2 stream and finishing the Pippa as Ship-girl drawing. Pippa commented yesterday during her Pokemon stream that she loved the whole ship-girl concept and she wondered how she would look like. I thought about making a quick joke sketch of Pippa as a canoe but im a shit artist and lazy.

Drawing looks really fucking good
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I'd agree with this. Very few fans are Perfect Blue style obsessive creeps, or ones so deluded to think that their oshi personally loves them. This is true for JP and EN fandom alike. Most people throwing thousands of dollars per month at their oshi don't actually think that said vtuber is their girlfriend or something.

However, vtube fans in general are prone to forming deep levels of emotional attachment to vtubers, and that leads to simps. This is partially by design. When most people compare vtubers to idols they think only in terms of surface-level aspects - songs, outfit, unit themes, etc - but the real similarity is how agencies in both markets cultivate their fans.

Japanese idols often aren't that good at singing, dancing, acting, etc when they debut. Frankly some of them never become that good, especially compared to their hyper-polished counterparts from Korea. The appeal in Japanese idols is often not that they are the best at what they do, however. Instead, idol industry relies on fans who like the story aspect of idols - the experience of seeing them grow from newbies to stars and celebrating their milestones and events along the way. It's like seeing an anime character go through their character arc, except in real life, and as you watch your favourite idol progress through their career, you become emotionally invested in their growth. It almost becomes as if their success is your success, emotionally speaking. It's not a coincidence that idols typically enter the industry young and progress through this arc until they become adults before leaving the industry for something else. That point in a person's life coincides with the idea of a coming-of-age character story.

Vtubing, both intentionally and unintentionally, replicates much of this experience. This is why milestones like 3d debuts, first lives, and subscription counts (100k, 200k, etc) are such a big deal in the fandom, and why people love the idea of vtubers being "broken" girls who are discovered by their agency and then uplifted by the fans. Again, it's like an anime story, but "real." It makes vtubers more approachable and relatable than some hyper-polished actor or celebrity. It's why fans get together and work on projects for their oshi's birthday and anniversary or whatnot, something that does not happen nearly to the same extent for non-vtuber youtube content creators, even those with more subs than vtubers.

I should say that while I may come off as cynical - and I am, to an extent - I don't think this model isn't inherently bad or evil. At the end of the day vtubing is a business for agencies and a career for many vtubers. Marketing is important. And for some vtubers, following this model probably isn't even intentional most of the time. The result of it, though, is that we get simps, people who have deep emotional connections to vtubers they will likely never speak to, let alone meet, in their lives. These simps are an intentional part of the system.
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Very well put, my friend. And interestingly enough, Kson will have a serious discussion with a JP university researcher, quite famous and appear on the nip national TV some time, who is "worried" about the culture of throwing Superchat and hardcore push for their Oshi. (She look like a usual Japanese boomer, no wonder she worry about how people spend their money.)
Apparently, it IS Kson who approach her first for the idea of having a talk. I guess she's trying to legitimize the vtubing and related sub-culture to a more general public? This is bound to have something interesting, so I hope the local chad translator is up for it.
 
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Swingletonthesimpleton said:
She's black. Thats her gimmick. Otherwise generic aussie voiced vtuber. Nothing notable.

Im boo'd for speaking the truth. She has got nothing else going for her and the numbers reflect that.
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I think the real issue is that she just isn't very comfortable being in the spotlight. We know she's nepotism hire and she has very little forward-facing online presence beyond posting her art and a few goofy things she's doing with friends, so in the end she comes off stuffy as fuck in every single stream. She hasn't really found her groove because of the breaks in terms of content vs chat balance and she's obviously the most nervous out of the 5.
I'm willing to give her another month to acclimate before I kinda stop watching her.

In regards to the enjoyment of vtubing as a whole, I feel like the women who are given these models feel that they can be slightly more personal than your average female streamer because there's that layer of 'protection' from both knowing exactly who they are (unless you dig deep) and that they don't have to 'physically' preform in front of the crowd. It always feels more relaxed. The whole thing about creating stories is kinda why I ended up sticking with Kiara, so I guess it works.
 
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I think the real issue is that she just isn't very comfortable being in the spotlight. We know she's nepotism hire and she has very little forward-facing online presence beyond posting her art and a few goofy things she's doing with friends, so in the end she comes off stuff as fuck in every single stream. She hasn't really found her groove because of the breaks in terms of content vs chat balance and she's obviously the most nervous out of the 5.
I'm willing to give her another month to acclimate before I kinda stop watching her.
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She's gonna quit. Only a matter of time. Shes clearly not cut out for this, and i honestly think she did it mainly for ina. Im not just saying it to be mean either, Its what i honestly think.
 
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Swingletonthesimpleton said:
She's gonna quit. Only a matter of time. Shes clearly not cut out for this, and i honestly think she did it mainly for ina.
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I figured that the month break would be an easy out for her, no clue why she'd come back after being detached so long if she weren't actually interested in doing it. I just think she's got problems entertaining a crowd. She even mentioned before the break that she'd be streaming less because she had other obligations that needed to be taken care of but here she is streaming multiple 8+ hour streams in the last 2 weeks. I look forward to the day she gets in her groove, if it ever happens.
 
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Diya said:
Very well put, my friend. And interestingly enough, Kson will have a serious discussion with a JP university researcher who is "worried" about the culture of throwing Superchat and hardcore push for their Oshi. (She look like a usual Japanese boomer, no wonder she worry about how people spend their money.)
Apparently, it IS Kson who approach her first for the idea of having a talk. I guess she's trying to legitimize the vtubing and related sub-culture to a more general public? This is bound to have something interesting, so I hope the local chad translator is up for it.
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Really funny that this is happening on Kson's channel, of all places.


(but yeah it's definitely an interesting concept for a stream, and I think only someone like Kson could pull it off)
 
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