Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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Compositesludge
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Uh, I specifically linked to a version of the article that highlighted the relevant text. Here, I'll post it below for you:
Trump still won and gained, but he's uniquely unpopular for Utahn support for Conservative candidates. There was some backlash against Romney, much like there is always backlash against politicians for taking stances, but I guess we'll have to wait and see during his next election how much that hurt him.The Article said:
Yes, but they're not trying for reconciliation with the infrastructure bill, which recently passed and was signed. Again, he talks about this in the article I linked you to:
Really said:
It was even bolded in the original article. He wanted to see if he could get something for his state out of the bipartisan effort. I think we're having a fight over semantics, wherein what I see as bipartisanism, you see as betraying the GOP, which is shorthand for Trump. Would that be an accurate summation of your stance?
No worries, we all make mistakes! I know I've made plenty.
I don't get bipartisan support out of the four things you posted. Am I misreading those thirty words, or is there substance that's intended to be read alongside them?
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You guy already made the "they skipped Xi" joke right?
I'd be disappointed if you people didn't.
I'd be disappointed if you people didn't.
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Uniquely unpopular, but still gets over 50% of the vote and voting to impeach him almost results in being ousted from the party. That is not just "some backlash", that was literally unprecedented levels of backlash and enough to Send Romney to the ground and to make him go silent since. You are trying to brush it off, but I am not about to allow that. It was literally unprecedented and within a hairsbreadth of taking him out. Sorry, but no you don't get to minimize that.
Yes. They. Are. Literally everything taken out of their original bill is being attempted to be pushed into the Reconciliation one. They said they'd do this before Romney's vote, Romney also should know for how long he has been in politics they would, and he would have been told by other Republicans, his own political analysts, and any friends he has across the aisle they would.
Citing the thing I did in fact read where he is blatantly lying does not a good point make. There is no possible way he would not have known that they would do -exactly what they are in fact doing-. He. Is. Lying.
No, that is utterly off base to what I am saying.
Yes, there is substance. But your response was so off-base to what I am saying and my attempt to address the closest thing to what I thought you were getting at clearly was wrong. So I have no idea what you are reading into it, but it is not connected to what I was saying.
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1/6 already flopped like a rotting fish. Anyone in 2 years that brings it up is going to sound like an idiot. I get the feeling most conservatives, liberals (actual liberals) and libertarians sense that something was seriously wrong when one of the most secure buildings in the western hemisphere falls to a bunch of boomerwaffen. Only establishment Dems and progressives can scream about it. Seriously, it has been 11 months and they do not have a counter point to "19 years of the war on terror and no one remembered the fucking 1812 precedent where it was burned down by God damn Canadians?"
Once people... I suppose you have to "pave" the way for people to realize that fact but 1/6 would just be a reminder that the Citadel will steamroll you for no reason other than because it can.
As for 2, most of Trump's base doesn't believe Biden is legitimate. They view Trump more as a leader in exile than anything else.
And I doubt he will bring up the vaccines again because Trump had no problem with saying things to see the reaction.
Compositesludge
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He didn't almost get ousted from the party. You don't need to let me do anything, because you're just making more unsupported statements that ultimately don't do anything.
This is factually incorrect, though? You would have been right if you were talking about the $3.5 trillion one, but as is, the Build Back Better (BBB) is going to be a big compromise between the progressives and moderates in the Democrat party.
Yes, they were going to vote on a followup bill (BBB) that wasn't the infrastructure bill that was intended to be bipartisan. If any Republican votes for the BBB to get it past reconciliation, I will... well, I'm not sure if that would support your original point. Would it?
Voting on a followup bill for reconciliation, BBB, that is explicitly not the infrastructure bill that just passed with bipartisan support? I think you're just conflating the two bills. I know you're going to get mad at me for this, but I think we can apply game theory here and think of it more as the prisoner's dilemma. If you know something bad's going to happen, do you do the best you can for your constituents in the process, or do you demand that they suffer for [empty signifier]?
I think that what you're saying is predicated upon an inaccuracy. There are two distinct bills. One has passed, one (BBB) has not. One is a bipartisan infrastructure bill, the other (BBB) is a nonpartisan reconciliation bill sold as covering everything the Democrats don't cover in the infrastructure bill. That one has been heavily pared down from what it was, and will likely be pared down further before it passes. I would be extremely surprised if any GOP legislator voted for it.
So what about the infamous Sequester?
Anyways, I think the big dividing point here is what divides bipartisanship from betrayal in the minds of the individual. Countless scholarly works have been and will be devoted to the subject, and I'm not about that life anymore. Ultimately, I'd say that this is a line that's up to the voter to determine when it's crossed. So if there's anything we can take away from this, it's that our vote matters. Be the change you want to see, and never stop fighting for the world you want to live in!
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Romney is such a mealy mouthed faggot he can't even be firm in something like an olympic boycott of Beijing next year, he wants to let the athletes go but do a diplomatic boycott where no politicians go. Oh no, I hope Chyna has the fainting couch ready at such an insult. That just encapsulates his personality perfectly, and I would never be surprised if Romney actually endorses McMullan over Mike Lee, even though Lee is at best a Shapiro type conservative who only acts tough when he's not having to stand on his own and has google paying him under the table.
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I never thought I’d see the day. A real-life Romney fanboy.
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got to protect the vaccine from copy cats.
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I see a few possibilities.
One, everything is going to look like the Apple store in Portland. Big fence, secured entrance, presumably secured exit, etc. Probably most likely for stores where people want to be able to touch the goods.
Two, vending machine only stores, go in, punch the number, swipe card, get item. Likely for places like SF with stores like Walgreens.
Three, more backstock stores. Nothing on the floor that's not tied down, you want an item they go to a secure part of the store and bring it out for you. Something like the old Best products for people like me who remember that.
Four, fuck it, close them all, you want something order it on-line. Maybe a bunch more private mailbox/package pickup locations with high security.
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Biden has shit himself and done nothing.
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https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines
Can Biden find the right balance on immigration?
https://apnews.com/article/immigrat...biden-health-2ff11057644a05256a032680e5ef9a11 (https://archive.ph/8cckW)Democrats wielded demands to fix the nation’s broken immigration system as a cudgel against Republicans in the 2020 campaign. Elect us, went the argument, and we’ll stop the cruel treatment of migrants at the border, and put in place lasting and humane policies that work.
A year into Joe Biden’s presidency, though, action on the issue has been hard to find and there is growing consternation privately among some in the party that the Biden administration can’t find the right balance on immigration.
Publicly, it’s another story. Most Washington lawmakers are largely holding their tongues, unwilling to criticize their leader on a polarizing topic that has created divisions within the party — especially as concerns mount over whether Democrats can hold on to power come next year.
It’s a hard balancing act to pull off, said Douglas Rivlin, spokesman for America’s Voice, an immigration reform group. Especially when Republicans are unrelenting in their negativity toward the president, even a little friendly fire can be a challenge.
“It’s hard but they’ve got to do it,” he said. “They’re going to face voters next year, all the people on the Hill. Biden isn’t, they are. And they have to be clear they’re pushing Biden to be the Democratic president we elected, rather than being scared of the issues because the politics are difficult.”
Democrats have pointed to the recent House approval of a huge spending bill backed by the White House that would allow for expanded work permits and some other, less ambitious immigration provisions. When Biden took office, he promised a pathway to U.S. citizenship for millions of people in the country illegally. Democrats say the measures in the spending bill are enough to show the party won’t shy away from the immigration issue during next year’s midterms.
“I don’t see it as as the fault of the president per se or ... these challenges that we’re facing today, solely falling on the shoulders of the president,” said Democratic Rep. Veronica Escobar, who represents a district in El Paso, Texas, across the border from Juarez, Mexico. “It is a collective obligation that we have and and I think Democrats have solutions and we need to lean in on them.”
Her Democratic colleague, Rep. Joaquin Castro, from San Antonio, ducked a question when asked if House members in swing districts will be forced to run away from Biden in 2022, saying “I’m going to wait on political discussions.”
But Castro added that the party had done as much as it could do on immigration this session, given Senate rules that have prevented larger legislation on the issue from advancing with the required minimum of 60 votes in that chamber.
“Right now, Democrats have control of the White House, the Senate and the House and we have pushed as hard as we can with the number that we have in the chambers to get protections from deportation, workplace permits, driver’s licenses, travel abilities,” Castro said.
Former Democratic Rep. Beto O’Rourke, who recently announced he’d run for Texas governor, has been one of a few Democrats to put the border front and center, heading almost immediately to the U.S.-Mexico border after he announced he was running, where he suggested the White House is doing its party no favors.
“It’s clear that Biden could be doing a better job at the border,” O’Rourke said during an interview with KTVT TV in Dallas-Fort Worth. “It is not enough of a priority.”
Like most top Democrats, O’Rourke will have to counter the narrative pushed by Republicans that an increase in the number of people crossing the border illegally this year has reached “crisis” levels. Incumbent Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott’s campaign accused O’Rourke of supporting Biden’s “open borders” policies and financed billboards along the border featuring O’Rourke’s face morphing into that of the president.
Nick Rathod, Rourke’s campaign manager, sees “neglect, I think by Democrats across the board, not just the Biden administration, in engaging in an authentic manner in those communities” along the border.
“It’s sort of created a vacuum. What we want to do is fill that space.”
But immigration is a complex issue, and no administration has been able to fix it. And Biden is trapped between the conflicting interests of showing compassion while dealing with migrants coming to the country — illegally — seeking a better life.
The administration has said it is focusing on root causes of immigration, and working to broker long-term solutions that make migrants want to stay in their homelands. They’ve pushed through regulations that aim to adjudicate asylum cases faster so migrants don’t wait in limbo, and they’ve worked to diminish the massive backlog of cases.
But mostly, Biden has spent much of the past year undoing Trump-era rules widely viewed as cruel that clamped down on asylum seekers, gutted the number of refugees allowed to the U.S. and then shuttered the border entirely in the name of COVID-19.
Despite that effort, Biden has faced a heap of criticism from progressives and immigrant advocates who say he is still making too much use of inhumane Trump-era policies.
One of the most criticized is the “Remain in Mexico” program, where migrants are sent to wait for resolution of their immigration claims over the border to Mexico in fetid makeshift refugee camps. It was put on hold after a judge ruled it was improper, but according to court papers, the Biden administration is waiting on final agreements with Mexico to start doing it again.
“We reject a system where people facing life and death consequences are forced to navigate a complex legal system — in a language they may not speak and in a culture which they may not be accustomed to — alone,” the Catholic Legal Immigration Network said in a statement.
Another is a provision, known as Title 42, that gives federal health officials powers during a pandemic to take extraordinary measures to limit transmission of an infectious disease. The White House has appealed a judge’s ruling that ended the regulation.
The administration has used the provision to justify the deportation of Haitian migrants who entered Texas. After viral images surfaced of U.S. Border Patrol agents on horseback using aggressive tactics, Biden’s team took heat from even the staunchest of allies.
Republicans are hammering border security, intent on keeping the issue in the headlines. The issue remains a high priority to some voters. A CNN poll earlier this month showed 14% of Americans identified immigration as the top issue facing the county, trailing behind the economy and the COVID-19 pandemic.
The U.S. Border Patrol reported more than 1.6 million encounters with migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border from September 2020 to September 2021, more than quadruple the number in the prior fiscal year and the highest annual total on record.
The number of encounters had dropped over the previous 12 months to around 400,000, as the pandemic slowed global migration. But the rebound is now higher than the previous record set in 2000, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data. The tally includes both expulsions when migrants are turned away immediately, and apprehensions when they’re detained by U.S. authorities, at least temporarily.
The U.S. system is still ill-equipped to manage such a crush, though career immigration officials warned of a coming surge. Border stations are temporary holding places not meant for long-term care. It’s a massive logistical challenge, especially when dealing with children who cross alone and require higher standards of care and coordination across agencies.
A year into Joe Biden’s presidency, though, action on the issue has been hard to find and there is growing consternation privately among some in the party that the Biden administration can’t find the right balance on immigration.
Publicly, it’s another story. Most Washington lawmakers are largely holding their tongues, unwilling to criticize their leader on a polarizing topic that has created divisions within the party — especially as concerns mount over whether Democrats can hold on to power come next year.
It’s a hard balancing act to pull off, said Douglas Rivlin, spokesman for America’s Voice, an immigration reform group. Especially when Republicans are unrelenting in their negativity toward the president, even a little friendly fire can be a challenge.
“It’s hard but they’ve got to do it,” he said. “They’re going to face voters next year, all the people on the Hill. Biden isn’t, they are. And they have to be clear they’re pushing Biden to be the Democratic president we elected, rather than being scared of the issues because the politics are difficult.”
Democrats have pointed to the recent House approval of a huge spending bill backed by the White House that would allow for expanded work permits and some other, less ambitious immigration provisions. When Biden took office, he promised a pathway to U.S. citizenship for millions of people in the country illegally. Democrats say the measures in the spending bill are enough to show the party won’t shy away from the immigration issue during next year’s midterms.
“I don’t see it as as the fault of the president per se or ... these challenges that we’re facing today, solely falling on the shoulders of the president,” said Democratic Rep. Veronica Escobar, who represents a district in El Paso, Texas, across the border from Juarez, Mexico. “It is a collective obligation that we have and and I think Democrats have solutions and we need to lean in on them.”
Her Democratic colleague, Rep. Joaquin Castro, from San Antonio, ducked a question when asked if House members in swing districts will be forced to run away from Biden in 2022, saying “I’m going to wait on political discussions.”
But Castro added that the party had done as much as it could do on immigration this session, given Senate rules that have prevented larger legislation on the issue from advancing with the required minimum of 60 votes in that chamber.
“Right now, Democrats have control of the White House, the Senate and the House and we have pushed as hard as we can with the number that we have in the chambers to get protections from deportation, workplace permits, driver’s licenses, travel abilities,” Castro said.
Former Democratic Rep. Beto O’Rourke, who recently announced he’d run for Texas governor, has been one of a few Democrats to put the border front and center, heading almost immediately to the U.S.-Mexico border after he announced he was running, where he suggested the White House is doing its party no favors.
“It’s clear that Biden could be doing a better job at the border,” O’Rourke said during an interview with KTVT TV in Dallas-Fort Worth. “It is not enough of a priority.”
Like most top Democrats, O’Rourke will have to counter the narrative pushed by Republicans that an increase in the number of people crossing the border illegally this year has reached “crisis” levels. Incumbent Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott’s campaign accused O’Rourke of supporting Biden’s “open borders” policies and financed billboards along the border featuring O’Rourke’s face morphing into that of the president.
Nick Rathod, Rourke’s campaign manager, sees “neglect, I think by Democrats across the board, not just the Biden administration, in engaging in an authentic manner in those communities” along the border.
“It’s sort of created a vacuum. What we want to do is fill that space.”
But immigration is a complex issue, and no administration has been able to fix it. And Biden is trapped between the conflicting interests of showing compassion while dealing with migrants coming to the country — illegally — seeking a better life.
The administration has said it is focusing on root causes of immigration, and working to broker long-term solutions that make migrants want to stay in their homelands. They’ve pushed through regulations that aim to adjudicate asylum cases faster so migrants don’t wait in limbo, and they’ve worked to diminish the massive backlog of cases.
But mostly, Biden has spent much of the past year undoing Trump-era rules widely viewed as cruel that clamped down on asylum seekers, gutted the number of refugees allowed to the U.S. and then shuttered the border entirely in the name of COVID-19.
Despite that effort, Biden has faced a heap of criticism from progressives and immigrant advocates who say he is still making too much use of inhumane Trump-era policies.
One of the most criticized is the “Remain in Mexico” program, where migrants are sent to wait for resolution of their immigration claims over the border to Mexico in fetid makeshift refugee camps. It was put on hold after a judge ruled it was improper, but according to court papers, the Biden administration is waiting on final agreements with Mexico to start doing it again.
“We reject a system where people facing life and death consequences are forced to navigate a complex legal system — in a language they may not speak and in a culture which they may not be accustomed to — alone,” the Catholic Legal Immigration Network said in a statement.
Another is a provision, known as Title 42, that gives federal health officials powers during a pandemic to take extraordinary measures to limit transmission of an infectious disease. The White House has appealed a judge’s ruling that ended the regulation.
The administration has used the provision to justify the deportation of Haitian migrants who entered Texas. After viral images surfaced of U.S. Border Patrol agents on horseback using aggressive tactics, Biden’s team took heat from even the staunchest of allies.
Republicans are hammering border security, intent on keeping the issue in the headlines. The issue remains a high priority to some voters. A CNN poll earlier this month showed 14% of Americans identified immigration as the top issue facing the county, trailing behind the economy and the COVID-19 pandemic.
The U.S. Border Patrol reported more than 1.6 million encounters with migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border from September 2020 to September 2021, more than quadruple the number in the prior fiscal year and the highest annual total on record.
The number of encounters had dropped over the previous 12 months to around 400,000, as the pandemic slowed global migration. But the rebound is now higher than the previous record set in 2000, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data. The tally includes both expulsions when migrants are turned away immediately, and apprehensions when they’re detained by U.S. authorities, at least temporarily.
The U.S. system is still ill-equipped to manage such a crush, though career immigration officials warned of a coming surge. Border stations are temporary holding places not meant for long-term care. It’s a massive logistical challenge, especially when dealing with children who cross alone and require higher standards of care and coordination across agencies.
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Biden has difficulty finding his balance going up a flight of stairs, why in the fuck would he be able to do it on any given political issue?
Biden has difficulty finding his balance going up a flight of stairs, why in the fuck would he be able to do it on any given political issue?
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I agree it really shows how much power Trump has in the GOP when the state Gop where a freaking Cheney represents no longer sees her as a Republican!! Like holy hell no one would have belive that in the early 2000s!!
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You're both reddit tier faggots for rambling on about this shit instead of posting things that support your argument.
Romney has clearly wounded himself enough that Polling back in September points to him being fucked off or replaced relatively soon because the Republican Voters in Utah are still sick of him for being a collosal fuckwit. Remember, he voted for Impeachment all the way back in Feb 2020. Meaning there's been serious and long term repercussions as a result of his act. Most politicians recover from a scandal or "gaffe" fairly quickly but Romney's built up a lot of ire.
Republican voters don't necessarily want nothing but Trumpist candidates, they want people with principle who won't go rogue and basically be a Democrat and try and always have their voters backs.
With how the Dems are having to increasingly act to appeal to the hyper-active base (rather than the more passive base of wider voters) you need to build a big tent.
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Hilarious, but glad to see things are boring and normal, and normal and boring again.
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Absolutely not! I'm just pointing out that his actions are calculated (poorly as his calculations might be) and make sense beyond him being a member of the "uni-party," which I think is the Illuminati or something like that. Yet again, this is something that will never be clarified because it loses its power if it becomes anything more than a vague pro-resistance platitude.
I'd say that's fair enough, but I'm not arguing about if Senator Romney's popular or not. I do maintain that evidence of a blowback against him because of his anti-Trumpism is overblown. Is he unpopular in his state? Yes, alongside Senator Lee, and Senator McConnell, who didn't seem that hurt by it. What I am arguing is that his actions are the result of him misreading the room and pursuing bipartisanship in an environment where, while we're not brave enough to say it, bipartisanship is a dirty word. I'll post the relevant bits of my effort post here (it's not letting me quote it, which is mildly unhelpful):
"Just one side? Both parties are dedicated to enshrining their power at all costs, the alternative isn't great. I agree with you on the effects, but I don't know if the causes were due to RINOs. I'd argue it's a toxic social environment that's been getting steadily worse over the years. I can't point to when exactly it began (2004, maybe? Stab in the dark here!), but I think the bigger problem is the polarization between parties that's been trending upwards for the last few years. I'd say the bigger problem here is that while bipartisanship isn't a dirty word yet, the idea of it and the diminishment of power is a dirty one indeed, which is why we have increasingly empty signifiers like RINO and DINO being tossed around instead of coming out and saying that bipartisanship is a dirty word. I'd argue that it's not that Romney's under Clinton's thumb, or that Manchin's under Trump's thumb, It's that neither party really knows what it wants to be because we're in unprecedented times and politicians haven't quite caught up to that."
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There are far too many effort posts in recent days and not enough humor. 
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Precious little of it is funny right now. It isn’t always worth drawing blood from a stone.There are far too many effort posts in recent days and not enough humor.
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