XenForo has revoked our license

[4str4staleatherbelt]

I'm loving the new watermark.

 

[Null]

Did you guys know that silver doesn't rust? Howaboutthat.

It does tone, however.

 

[Fastest Hand In The East]

He approached me and tried to manipulate me into being an attack dog against some gamergate journalist and I said "sure thing buddy I'll do that" and then had chimpburgers make a thread on him instead. When he tried to intimidate Josh into handing over my identity so he could fuck with my life, Josh told him to go fuck himself so hard that he never recovered. It's that simple, a tiny little narcissistic injury over not being the Machiavellian oppo smear jackal he saw himself as was just too much to bear.

He can't stop because he needs to see himself as a spooky backstage puppetmaster that has power and influence, and as long as his thread's up and we're laughing at him, he has to know that he's a weak, pathetic little man that people aren't afraid of.

Thanks for the info. Retard being enabled by the western welfare, typical story.

bro he's almost at the same age his other family got dementia, he's going to be shitting himself in a nursing home soon. Based based based based based based based praise God Christ is king

Be careful what you wish for. He may become even more litigious and petty because he will be forgetting what he did and do the same things over and over again with renewed vigor everyt ime.

 

[Dyn]

Thanks for the info. Retard being enabled by the western welfare, typical story.

He was also part of some notorious and feared smear campaign oppo squad for the Conservative Party in the UK and after they shitcanned him I guess he'd do anything to relive the years where he had a job and was treated with respect and fear because he could ruin peoples lives.

 

[awoo]

I agree with the sentiments that Rust, while being in fashion these days among people who hate C and C++ but want performance, doesn't have many developers, and a forum can probably get away without using a compiled language. To my understanding, all major forums run interpreted software, including forums many times the size of this one (mcforums). And like JS, modern PHP is much nicer than the reputation of past PHP due to many years of slowly fixing things to be more reasonable.

I have always been suspicious of proprietary forum software and this just confirms my suspicions. Maybe we can return to a classic mybb or phpbb forum like my nostalgia desires, but idk how those scale with media. It would also make the site load a lot faster and get rid of the stupid animations that happen. I have a hard time believing PHP itself is the limiting factor given the backends for many much huger sites are written in PHP.

And you wouldn't know until you'd done it how much real word gain it would actually buy you over PHP8 with preloading.

the PHP JIT is pretty new but I agree with you that JIT compilation can be shockingly effective

 

[Pill Cosby]

@Overly Serious PHP is an alright language for small websites like blogs and small forums but anything that’s going to see a lot of traffic it’s a bad language and for many reasons.

Start learning another language (not python or Ruby) and learn the efficiency of good built in tooling, testing and debugging. You will gain a lot of knowledge and learn a lot more.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I think you can just go to the ACP to Activate Xenforo

 

[Im just here for the salt]

I have an idea Null, make your own website software that sucks so much that no one will try to take the site down

 

[Hippopatumus]

I am actually shocked they placed a 'activate notice' on a product you paid for on a non-time-limited basis.

Nothing in the terms of their license stipulate that they can or will do that upon license revocation, nothing in contract precedent permits this sort of post-hoc modification, and nothing in the license agreement stipulates that you must remove the software if the license is revoked. I'm actually surprised nothing in the contract covers terms for execution of revocation, that seems like something counsel would have put in there if they ever had any intent of acting upon revocation--they have no legal footing to do so other than cutting off support.

Them tampering with your site remotely and displaying a message like that is NOT in the terms of the contract you agreed to, and likely runs afoul of laws governing tortious interference, if not felony unauthorized access under CFAA. It's petty, unethical, and probably an actionable civil tort.

I'm a PHP dev. I can see they used some tricks to display the message but they are likely not that sophisticated. Let me know if you want me to take a stab at removing it as a favor.

 

[Overly Serious]

I have always been suspicious of proprietary forum software and this just confirms my suspicions. Maybe we can return to a classic mybb or phpbb forum like my nostalgia desires, but idk how those scale with media. It would also make the site load a lot faster and get rid of the stupid animations that happen. I have a hard time believing PHP itself is the limiting factor given the backends for many much huger sites are written in PHP.

I agree with your post bar this one suggestion of returning to classic style mybb, phpbb designs. Even if not literally those ones, they are conceptually inferior because what you want in this day and age is a static front end written in, e.g. VueJS, and a backend that is pure API. This keeps things lean, makes caching assets and delivering them fast easy and stops the actual PHP (or whatever) backend servers being hit by unnecessary requests. You shouldn't have a PHP server building a page and returning the entire page pre-built to the client (outside of certain edge cases) as I'm presuming XenForo does. Have the client download the front-end, have it make authorised requests to the API for the data it needs.

@Overly Serious PHP is an alright language for small websites like blogs and small forums but anything that’s going to see a lot of traffic it’s a bad language and for many reasons.

Start learning another language (not python or Ruby) and learn the efficiency of good built in tooling, testing and debugging. You will gain a lot of knowledge and learn a lot more.

If PHP is a good language for small sites then it's a good language for large sites because it scales easily - throw in more FPM servers / containers to the pool and you linearly get increased responses. Your bottlenecks are database and network - which aren't solvable by choice of language.

As a language it has all the features needed for a sophisticated backend. And preloading helps mitigate the main disadvantages of interpreted languages which is the time taken to read and run the bytecode. It's always ready to go. And you can spin up and down FPM containers (or VMs) dynamically according to demand so that you're not overpaying for power you don't need.

Your comment about "learn another language and you'll see" is a little patronizing. I've worked in a number of languages including compiled languages. I'm also puzzled by what you might think is lacking in terms of tooling, testing and debugging on PHP. There's not the same low-level optimization tools but that's not relevant. Anything PHP needs it has and there's a giant and mature range of libraries to draw on and a decent industry standard package manager to go with them.

Anyway, I don't know how Null feels about this conversation but maybe we spin it off into a different thread in the Tech forum if people want to debate me on this.

 

[Hippopatumus]

PHP gets bagged on a lot but it's usually by people who used it when they were starting out and then got cargo culted over to Django or Node or .NET or something at their job and don't actually have recent experience with it. The standard library is extremely good for building web-specific things and Laravel and Zend are objectively terrific frameworks. Package management is also better than most others like NPM which is a literal dumpster fire. It's not a great language but it's a great ecosystem.

PHP in 2021 has basically nothing to do with the v5 days that a lot of people remember it for. It has all the normal OO crap people want (but don't really need) and its performance is actually stellar. Not that performance is particularly important when 99% of perf issues are badly written queries that have nothing to do with language. It's reached feature and performance parity with pretty much all other web-specific languages and as long as you are aware of the minor quirks (that are present in every language) it's not particularly bad at what it does. I offload to other languages and work queues for data-intensive processing or multi-threaded crap but that is rare and not really an issue.

Also I will note that 99% of modern web development is done in JS frameworks and 99% of the usage of back-end languages is as an API layer to translate data to and from the DB. So back-end language is the least relevant it has ever been in web development.

 

[idosometimes]

Dorks.

 

[Dyn]

@Astin Soul please come and help @Null is sorry he made fun of you and needs you to rewrite our forum in javascript

 

[Hippopatumus]

@Null

BTW this should remove the notice. I can't actually test without EFFORT, but I'm like 90% sure:

.xb-page-wrapper::after { background-image: none!important; }

The filename they used for the notice is 'kek'. Faggots.

Also I STRONGLY suggest you suss out what script that have running on your server that is pinging their shit and remotely executing code and rip it out or firewall it. They've already proven they are willing to tamper with third-party websites they do not operate so it seems like a security risk to let that keep happening. I would additionally recommend paying your lawyer $250 to write a cease-and-desist telling them in no uncertain terms that they are not to tamper with your site or execute code remotely on your servers in any way. They are still gonna do whatever they are gonna do, but it's a cheap way to start building a paper trail in case you ever needed to deal with them in a courtroom.

 

[Farmer John]

I don't need suggestions.

You expect us spergs to sit by in silence, allowing you to handle your own business?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

He was also part of some notorious and feared smear campaign oppo squad for the Conservative Party in the UK and after they shitcanned him I guess he'd do anything to relive the years where he had a job and was treated with respect and fear because he could ruin peoples lives.

Labour, not the Tories. He claims he was part of their Dirty Tricks Unit which explains his shitty attack lines.

Sambo's the epitomy of slimy politico cunt who will just try and ooze his way into whoever's the big party in charge at the moment. His last brush with politics was when he briefly worked for Grant Shapps (current Transport Secretary) in an indeterminate minor role and spent his time editing his boss' wikipedia page without the guy's knowledge.

It's why he was always on such feeble attempts at power trips, its the bullshit they beat into him in the dirty tricks unit. It's all 20+ years out of date too.

 

[Dyn]

Labour, not the Tories.

Oh yeah I forgot he switched party like a no-loyalty dog.

 

[Never Scored]

I have an idea Null, make your own website software that sucks so much that no one will try to take the site down

Radium can do it for him.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I want to go back to 2015 when "build your own internet, bro" was a tongue in cheek joke and not the nightmare reality of clownworld in the year of the Current Year.

 

[TomServo]

I'm not capable of thinking for myself, should I panic or not?

my father once told me, “When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."