Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[AssignedEva]

"Girlfriend"....it's just jarring. Your girlfriend has a penis.


Wow, you're a treasure trove! Yes that does make sense, if TAB is a newer TR organization; small fish in a big pond. I wonder why Olly is associating with them, then? He has friends involved, or it was the only activist group that would have him?

I would LOVE to hear more about this dinner you speak of! And just, like how some of these guys are face to face, IRL. What were some examples of the kinds of stuff they like to talk about with strangers and/or at formal or semi-formal get-togethers? (I guess very fortunately for me I've only known a few trans people and they have been long term passing, not political and basically sane.)

I'm not sure what the link is there. Transgender Action Bloc seems to have links to We Exist and the London Anti-Fascist Assembly, but they themselves are quiet about their founders. The only concrete link I've found is with Eden Maskill-Watts (followed by Kevin Gibes lol) but it looks like they just did the graphic design pro-bono for the GP pamphlet.

Spoiler: Founding document

We are Transgender Action Block, a group of activists dedicated to transgender liberation in the United Kingdom.

We do not want to reinvent the wheel; there are pre-existing trans activism groups and organisations which seek social acceptance for transgender individuals. Whilst we are not opposed to these groups, we believe that, alone, they are woefully inadequate to fight for the complete liberation of trans and nonbinary people.

Transgender Action Block came into existence to protest the continued attack on transgender people’s access to healthcare such as hormone replacement therapy (HRT), surgery, and mental health support in the United Kingdom. Whilst other trans activism groups in the UK focus on combatting transphobic attitudes of the general public, we are dedicated to policy change which would ensure that every transgender and nonbinary person, including children, would have free access to HRT, surgery, and mental health support if they so wished.

We also believe that transgender liberation is inextricable from other liberatory politics. It is important that we combat white supremacy alongside transgender and nonbinary people of colour; that we combat imperialism alongside transgender and nonbinary people from imperialised countries; that we combat ableism alongside disabled transgender and nonbinary people; that we realise that nobody is free until we are all free. The continued defunding and privatisation of the NHS has been detrimental to transgender and nonbinary people’s access to healthcare. We cannot achieve our demands without opposing the Conservative Party’s austerity policies. We believe that transgender liberation cannot occur under capitalism, although this does not stop us from fighting for immediate demands which can be implemented under capitalism.

Our Demands
1. An informed consent model of healthcare for transgender and nonbinary people on the NHS, including the depathologisation of transness.

2. Full access to hormones and surgery for under-18s who are shown to be capable of consent and request them; rapid access to puberty blockers for all trans children who request them.

3. Increased funding towards NHS Gender Identity Clinics (GICs), for the purpose of reducing the unacceptable waiting times for GICs.

4. GP training on transgender issues, and making it NHS policy for GPs to prescribe bridging hormones for those on waiting lists who request them.

5. Remodel GIC training to include understanding of nonbinary and gender non-conforming people; ensure that the current guidelines for the treatment of nonbinary and gender non-conforming people are followed; parity of access to treatment for nonbinary, gender non-conforming, and transgender people.

6. Self-identification for an expanded range of gender markers; legal recognition for nonbinary and gender non-conforming people.

You'll notice in the year since their founding they've switched from demanding more money for gender identity clinics to demanding that gender identity clinics be abolished. Here they are hosting a "Reclaim Pride" protest in Highbury Fields (audio rip is terrible, sorry):

I have no idea why they picked Highbury Fields for a protest (it's really not near anything of any relevance) other than it's a big park that's nice to sit in and have a few drinks in summer, but there you go. They use riseup.net for their email host and cryptpad for their documents, and I notice that their GP information leaflet refers to Minidoxil as "Rogaine" (the American name, it's sold as Regaine here), which leads me to surmise that this absolutely pangs of antifa and student activists.

I don't imagine Ollie really hangs out with those sorts, although perhaps he did get some networking opportunities out of Trans Pride, although maybe he hitched his wagon to them because they're going to protest the NHS and they'll let him self promote by doing a speech.

I can't reveal too much about the convo without basically outing my irl identity, but suffice to say a light hearted conversation about tofu got immediately derailed by this person interrupting and talking about culinary imperialism and how wealthy Westerners were pricing out indigenous communities from cheap access to their staple soy. They made even the most innocuous and banal topics of conversation political and I was exhausted by the end of the evening.

lol, fucking and how.
their psyches are also prone to utterly collapse under even the slightest amount of ribbing.

sadly any details, hilarious as they are, would fully unmask me here as a literal fascist, but yeah, the horrendous people who I was also forced to spend some time with thanks to a housemate, were pretty high profile early architects of the fuckspace that is now only finally starting to crumble, and are to a man and woman, total shit-pieces of the highest order, while fragile to a dangerous degree.
Woudnt you know, this was also in proximity to Goldsmiths, which they later fully invaded- (after it had already been utterly wrecked by the parasites that moved in following the ballooning of tuition fees- they then helped to effectively castrate it into an id-pol cul de sac; absolute scum, the lot of them.)

Oh wow, you know the people who... did that to Goldsmiths? I'm not in the area very often but I have noticed if you nip into the Marquis of Gransbury you'll see a sea of danger hair genderblobs and the Goldsmith Students Union is never not occupied by some sort of protest.

 

[AfghanBlue]

@AssignedEva i cannot stress enough how very much they were not my friends, they followed in with the orbit of a troubled new housemate. They started angling for jobs at the University after around 2013 and onwards.
I would vaguely hear about events at the students union there, marred by arguments over whatever phobicness fits into their early attempts to basically ban all men, . New cross and peckham are all FUBAR now anyway. in fact london is dead and it’s fucking sad, man.

Spoiler: PL'ing

Lol, went investigating what i could remember about aforementioned ~these cunts, and one of them works for that vagina museum, from Tubes terrible lgbt panel.
i’m trying to think of something i can disclose about them that won’t nessecarily disclose me..
okay, what about this cos they probably propositioned a good few people about this:
lmao once they were round, and tried to tap me up with a “oh, afghan blue, we are looking for Strong Women to join us as we walk the streets of whitechappel, challenging any threatening behaviour we see from the men there”

i was like..: you mean a vigilante gang of middle class white women starting on aisain guys who are literally just standing around in front of their houses lol no”

that idea didn’t get off the ground but it was going to. i think you just need someone to shoot something down in a way that phrases it properly for it to thankfully be shown for what an awful abysmal idea it is.

oh yeah and they were all “poly” in that they would come round and fuck the girl with sever alcohol problems who lived with us.
oh yeah and once they sent their boyfriends home at fucking 4.30 in the morning in winter cos they decided they needed some girl only chat.
it was a horrible power move and the boys just skipped to it.
i let the poor bastards sit in my room til the busses and tubes came back on.
they can’t have had much love or care for them.
i wish i could say more of the funnier stuff but it’s all too identifiable- sadly this stuff was so much of their character that it will have happened regularly enough that they won’t even know when or where

 

[Karras Rising]

@AssignedEva i cannot stress enough how very much they were not my friends, they followed in with the orbit of a troublesome housemate. they were all loads older than us and after we’d graduated they stared angling for jobs there, and i would vaguely hear back about events at the students uni marred by arguments over whatever phobicness fits into their early attempts to basically ban all men, . Goldsmiths and new cross and peckham are all fubar now anyway. in fact london is dead and it’s fucking sad, man.

Lol, went investigating what i could remember about aforementioned ~these cunts, and one of them works for that vagina museum, from Tubes terrible lgbt panel.
i’m trying to think of something i can disclose about them that won’t nessecarily disclose me..
okay, what about this cos they probably propositioned a good few people about this:
lmao once they were round, and tried to tap me up with a “oh, afghan blue, we are looking for Strong Women to join us as we walk the streets of whitechappel, challenging any threatening behaviour we see from the men there”

i was like..: you mean a vigilante gang of middle class white women starting on aisain guys who are literally just standing around in front of their houses lol no”

that idea didn’t get off the ground but it was going to. i think you just need someone to shoot something down in a way that phrases it properly for it to thankfully be shown for what an awful abysmal idea it is.

oh yeah and they were all “poly” in that they would come round and fuck the girl with sever alcohol problems who lived with us.
oh yeah and once they sent their boyfriends home at fucking 4.30 in the morning in winter cos they decided they needed some girl only chat.
it was a horrible power move and the boys just skipped to it.
i let the poor bastards sit in my room til the busses and tubes came back on.
they can’t have had much love or care for them.
i wish i could say more of the funnier stuff but it’s all too identifiable- sadly this stuff was so much of their character that it will have happened regularly enough that they won’t even know when or where

Jesus fucking Christ, this is like reading a forgotten extract from A Clockwork Orange

 

[esmeggs]

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Olly posted this on tumblr (did he make it himself? I can't find it anywhere else). You can find me at "Lost Wrecks" with my super controversial takes like "it's a sexual fetish (*not for every trans identified person, but for most males)", "transgenderism is a mental illness", and "sex is binary, and trans people are still biologically the sex they were assigned at birth".

 

[Shotgun Badger]

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Olly posted this on tumblr (did he make it himself? I can't find it anywhere else). You can find me at "Lost Wrecks" with my super controversial takes like "it's a sexual fetish (*not for every trans identified person, but for most males)", "transgenderism is a mental illness", and "sex is binary, and trans people are still biologically the sex they were assigned at birth".

I'm glad he posted this image because it reminded me of the major deal breaker that caused me to fully peak, the distinction between biological sex and gender.

About 6 or 7 years ago when I started learning about trans issues more in depth I kind of accepted it in a wobbly way by latching onto Gender as distinct and separate from sex, and as such if trans people want to associate themselves with gender roles of the opposite sex then I guess I could kind of accept that, leaving aside the value of those roles to begin with, and say they were living as a 'Woman' or 'Man' as understanding it as a bunch of things like clothing, names or societal expectations. Sex was something else, or so I was told, and its plainly obvious that sex cannot be changed, and even if intersex people create some grey areas its frankly irrelevant for the vast majority of trans people and everybody else for that matter (and either way the ramifications of intersexness tend to be hugely overstated by trans activists, I believe its outright impossible for a viable hermaphrodite to exist in the human species, that is to say somebody with fully functioning male and female sex organs, most of the time you end up with people who have some mistake in their regular sexual development, that in the more extreme cases tends to make them sterile), the vast, vast majority of people on earth can reliably be said to have a concrete and unchanging sex and trans activists in the past seemed to accept this by claiming that Gender was distinct from Sex and this was what they were really concerned about.

But the current crop of gender activists as exemplified by Olly have abandoned this almost wholesale, now it means you are lost in the deep ocean of transphobia to say sex is binary, immutable and most egregiously that trans people remain that sex they were born with no matter how many pills they pop or how much they slice away at their genitalia. The same thing I heard trans activist friends admit not even a decade ago while finding ways around it with this gender vs sex distinction has become some of the most offensive transphobic language you can come up with, right next to saying that trans people should not be portrayed positively on tv or movies. And you know what? I'm glad that they made this switch, in retrospect the sex vs gender distinction was ridiculous and nonsensical that seemed to just invariably wrap around to sexist gender stereotypes truly 'making' you a man or a woman, not what you junk is, which in my opinion is probably worse than the alternative. But the ultimate truth I've come to accept isn't that you can also change your sex in addition to your gender, its that gender is a pretty useless concept, sex is much more concrete and important, and try as they might, get as mad and upset as they want with people who disagree with them, trans activists cannot warp reality to change their sex, the best they can do is put on the mask of being the opposite sex and force people to play along, like I used to, but reality is still reality, you can't turn a penis into a vagina and you can't make a woman into a man. Sorry Olly.

 

[Tealeaf]

Doesn't Laura Kate Dale have a KF thread already ?

Yes, they do. Use the search, you may discover how to open your third eye

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Another thing, why is saying tranness, or at least dysphoria, is a mental illness so insulting for these people? They are all about accepting mental illnesses like autism as part of one's 'neurodiversity' where having such a condition does not make somebody lesser as person or any less deserving of rights and dignity, heck in a lot of these circles things like BPD or PTSD are almost badges of honor that mark you out as a more interesting person from the normies. PT should know from the times he's tried to leverage his supposed trauma in the past.

Unsurprisingly given my posts and my posting on this site at all I have an autism diagnosis, but at its worst I never had to get any kind of medication or much by the way of medical intervention at all, and yet this is a huge thing about being trans to people Olly, he talks endlessly about getting the right kinds of therapy and major medical interventions that require the removal of perfectly healthy body parts in addition to massive interference with the natural hormone processes in the body to the point that halting puberty, one of the most basic and important things that happens to anybody, is perfectly fine and not doing so is like putting a gun to somebody's head. What the fuck kind of condition can this possibly be where all of this stuff is completely fine because of an obsessive idea about the wrongness of one's own body, where its so intense and ingrained its somehow safer to dick around with extremely basic physical processes rather than try and treat it as something where somebody should learn to accept the reality of their own body, where we go along with the obvious anti-reality that somebody can somehow really change their sex and change from becoming a man or a woman? Because everything about it sounds like a mental illness, and an extreme one at that which is aggressively counter to observable reality, but we can't say that, its horribly insulting to do so!

At at the end of the day they talk a big game about how mental illnesses don't have to be 'cured', how they aren't something that makes a person less of a human and that they should be embraced by all, but their furious reaction against calling dysphoria a mental illness shows they don't really believe any of this. They believe that calling it a mental illness means it really is something wrong with their mind, that they are wrong about their understanding of reality, and that they might be better off in the long run if they did not have it, by extension they should say the same about something like autism if this is how they react to calling dysphoria a mental illness, but they never have the honesty to ever do so.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Every single one of these statements is true. Cope and seethe.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Jesus fucking Christ, this is like reading a forgotten extract from A Clockwork Orange

appy polly loggies

 

[SevenEightNine]

appy polly loggies

Have a coin to feel better. I had fun with free apps today.

I'll put this one in too, I feel it worked well.

 

[narcissistic injury]

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They're definitely dating.

Spoiler: More Nyk/Olly Online Interactions

I'm sure almost everyone is sick of this by now but I came across an archived /tttt/ thread from when Olly trooned out and people started theorizing about it. Just going to drop the screenshots here.
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Still interacting two days before Olly publicly came out as an AGP, so extranny456 was right about that sorry Unless Olly is acting like a loon then the falling out happened after the Identity video dropped.

Olly being called someone’s girlfriend is such a mindfuck

 

[scathefire]

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Every single one of these statements is true. Cope and seethe.

Not only are they true, they're kind of obvious. For example, "Their presence is a sign of societal decline". No shit, what healthy society has the inmates running the asylum?

 

[Just Another Autist]

Part of the definition of mental illness in the DSM is that it must cause distress or impairment. This is to avoid pathologizing normal human variation. You can have voices in your head all day but if it doesn't negatively impact your life there's no need see it as an issue to be fixed.

So arguably, being transgender isn't a mental illness, having dysphoria is.

Spoiler

A cross-gender identification is not inherently distressing. A lot of what is considered "gender" (hair, clothes, names, pronouns) is socially defined and changes throughout history and culture. You can have a preference for existing in one social category over another without experiencing any mental duress or impairment.

Dysphoria, the severe psychological distress from being born one sex but feeling you should physically be another, is without question a mental illness. On account of it being a mental condition that causes severe psychological distress. And many doctors, even the *gasp* transphobic Dr. Blanchard, agree that medical transition is the appropriate treatment for the condition.

Medical transition without dysphoria is just cosmetic procedures - it is not treating any condition. I personally believe people have the right to modify their bodies any way they please so I don't have a problem with people doing that, but I feel the distinction should be made.

This point of view is known as being "truescum" and everyone who agrees with it has been actively pushed out of activism groups to the detriment of the movement as a whole. Dysphoric trans people used to be the majority but now seem to be outnumbered by people who throw around suicide stats but don't even have the condition that causes the suicides.

 

[The Mad Pirate]

Not only are they true, they're kind of obvious. For example, "Their presence is a sign of societal decline". No shit, what healthy society has the inmates running the asylum?

Paraphrasing Krishnamurti, it's not a sign of good mental health to be well adjusted to a progressive society.

Part of the definition of mental illness in the DSM is that it must cause distress or impairment. This is to avoid pathologizing normal human variation. You can have voices in your head all day but if it doesn't negatively impact your life there's no need see it as an issue to be fixed.

So arguably, being transgender isn't a mental illness, having dysphoria is.

Spoiler

A cross-gender identification is not inherently distressing. A lot of what is considered "gender" (hair, clothes, names, pronouns) is socially defined and changes throughout history and culture. You can have a preference for existing in one social category over another without experiencing any mental duress or impairment.

Dysphoria, the severe psychological distress from being born one sex but feeling you should physically be another, is without question a mental illness. On account of it being a mental condition that causes severe psychological distress. And many doctors, even the *gasp* transphobic Dr. Blanchard, agree that medical transition is the appropriate treatment for the condition.

Medical transition without dysphoria is just cosmetic procedures - it is not treating any condition. I personally believe people have the right to modify their bodies any way they please so I don't have a problem with people doing that, but I feel the distinction should be made.

This point of view is known as being "truescum" and everyone who agrees with it has been actively pushed out of activism groups to the detriment of the movement as a whole. Dysphoric trans people used to be the majority but now seem to be outnumbered by people who throw around suicide stats but don't even have the condition that causes the suicides.

So if I understand it correctly, in order to normalize troonism, they kicked out all the persons who genuinely had a mental illness ( sexual identification disorder) which manifests itself with symptoms like sexual dysmorphia ( aka "gender dysphoria") and now activism is run by paraphillic fetishists trying to push their fetishism as "normal" and demanding others to pay for their fetishes.
Did I miss something out?.

 

[esmeggs]

Athena, guillotines, and an attempt at French. I was 3 for 3 this video. No more videos until February, with the exception of a behind the scenes documentary. He's hinted at getting surgery in 2022 and it seems like that's planned for January? I'm guessing it's FFS.

I guess he's technically two years into his transition but it seems really fast to potentially be getting FFS or something similar. Will be somewhat funny seeing him getting surgery so soon after screeching about wait times.

 

[PennyAni]

@esmeggs you did, indeed, call it.

I did not like the video. Had to fast fwd through some of it. The candid bits where he breaks the 4th wall are unbearably cringe.

 

[Futaba]

Athena, guillotines, and an attempt at French. I was 3 for 3 this video. No more videos until February, with the exception of a behind the scenes documentary. He's hinted at getting surgery in 2022 and it seems like that's planned for January? I'm guessing it's FFS.
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I guess he's technically two years into his transition but it seems really fast to potentially be getting FFS or something similar. Will be somewhat funny seeing him getting surgery so soon after screeching about wait times.

I just cant imagine a post FFS Olly hes just got way too much jaw I dont know if anything can realistically be done about that. As much as a bellend as he is I hate seeing people fuck their own shit up for a fetish.

Here are my scattered surface level takes from the new vid:

- I was malding at the German pronounciation im not even german but man PT is an uncultured SCHWEIN.

- Mentions he learnt the Illiad in highschool whilst he was going through a big anime phase (why mention this lol, also I dont believe it)

- PT has unreasonably large teeth

- The Mary Poppins look is french? wot lol? The scarf reminds me of those physical therapy bands.

I think the concluding thought is that there is a right kind of violence which can be done against the state otherwise the state will continue to carry out incorrect actions/will come for you. Is this a trans dogwhistle lol? idk. Through out I kept thinking is he unironicallly going to advocate violence against TERFs lol.

 

[Scarmaiden]

 

[narcissistic injury]

Athena, guillotines, and an attempt at French. I was 3 for 3 this video. No more videos until February, with the exception of a behind the scenes documentary. He's hinted at getting surgery in 2022 and it seems like that's planned for January? I'm guessing it's FFS.
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I guess he's technically two years into his transition but it seems really fast to potentially be getting FFS or something similar. Will be somewhat funny seeing him getting surgery so soon after screeching about wait times.

Two years is very generous and not sure where ur getting that figure!

 

[esmeggs]

Two years is very generous and not sure where ur getting that figure!

I said technically because he claims he started transitioning in private (just coming out to friends and family) a year before coming out on Youtube. April/May of 2020 seems to be when he actually started to physically transition though.

I just cant imagine a post FFS Olly hes just got way too much jaw I dont know if anything can realistically be done about that. As much as a bellend as he is I hate seeing people fuck their own shit up for a fetish.

I hope he rethinks getting FFS (if that's what he has planned) because we all know how that went for Contra and obviously it's very extreme to be carving up your face for a fetish. He's probably itching to get FFS done as soon as possible because he thinks it'll help him land more acting roles, so that could also be another motivating factor. Hopefully it goes much better for him than it did for Contra.