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The entire problem I have with this whole farcical drama is this: the vaccines don't work. They've never worked. I know people who have been dreadfully sick with covid and others who haven't even realised they had it. Some were vaccinated, some weren't. I know of two people who died. One was vaccinated, one wasn't (both were overweight and had other illnesses). The vaccines don't appear to have made any difference to how ill people get, how long they might spend in hospital, or whether they'll die. Yes it's anecdotal, but it's what I see and what a lot of other people see as well. We're being forced to jump through ever more hoops over a vaccine that doesn't work.
But they do work to an extent, look at the numbers from the UK that borsabil is always posting. The rates of infected people landing in hospitals and dying are reduced by 60-75% (depending on age group) for people who got vaccinated. If there was no vaccine, mortality and severe cases would be 3-4 times higher than they currently are. That's enough of an argument for most people to make the vaccination mandatory.

Yes, it's far from a 100% effectiveness rate, it doesn't prevent transmission much, rates of mild cases are actually higher compared to unvaccinated, its effect diminishes after several months, the long-term risks are unclear, no other alternative methods of prevention are being discussed. All that doesn't matter. Mortalities are being somewhat reduced. Period.
 
"Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.

Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.

Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech / Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines."

Some interesting info in this guy's website, and he seems to have quite the pedigree.


He talks about the vaxx driving the virus to increase mutation due to antibody pressure, which could lead to a variant that tears up the body before the updated antibodies from any vaxx update shot would be created, because the old ineffective ones from the alpha strain would be produced first. Original Antigenic Sin, with ever increasing potential for ADE. He does also mention possible solutions, however, so if we don't find ourselves in a totalitarian nightmare, and things change for the better, it sounds like there is good hope for my impression that solutions can be found for our poisoned friends who have rejoined sanity.



I have a suspicion that Fauci may not really understand any of this, judging by what Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, had to say about him in this interview.

 

Britain’s Omicron outbreak grows by more than 50% in a day: 86 new cases take total to 246 as scientist warns its ‘too late’ to halt spread and overall Covid cases rise by 16% in week to 43,992​

  • Professor Mark Woolhouse said bringing in new curbs on travel was 'too late'
  • He said that it was 'a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted'
  • The Edinburgh University epidemiologist said it was 'spreading pretty rapidly'
  • And he added that the super-variant could become the world's dominant strain

The number of new Omicron cases reported in the UK has risen by 86 bringing the total cases to 246 - an increase of more than 50 per cent in the space of a day.

The UK Health Security Agency, who publish the figures, said 18 of the new cases are in Scotland taking their total to 48.

The remaining 68 cases were recorded in England, according to the UKHSA.

Meanwhile, a further 43,992 Covid cases were recorded in the UK this week, an increase of 6,311 on last week's figures.

The increase marks a 16.7 per cent rise since last Sunday while a further 54 deaths were recorded.

The number of people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid rose by 5.8 per cent from 51 last week

It comes as a leading scientist warned Britain has left it 'too late' to halt the spread of the Omicron super-variant.

Professor Mark Woolhouse said bringing in new curbs on travel was 'a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted'.

The Edinburgh University epidemiologist said it was 'spreading pretty rapidly' and could become the world's dominant strain.

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Anger continues to boil over in Europe at Covid clampdown: Protestors take to streets in Belgium as rules toughen for third week in a row​

  • Thousands of people marched through the streets of Brussels today in protest
  • Riot police fought with protestors and used water cannons to control the crowds
  • Belgian govt. introduced more restrictions on Friday for the third week in a row
  • The protest comes just one day after 40,000 people protested in Vienna, Austria
  • Cities in Germany and the Netherlands also saw protests against Covid laws
  • It comes amid warnings of the highly transmissible Omicron variant in Europe



Belgian police used water cannons and tear gas to disperse protesters in Brussels today amid demonstrations against tightened Covid-19 restrictions imposed by the government to counter the latest spike in coronavirus cases.

Hordes of protestors marched through the streets towards the headquarters of the European Union, shouting 'Freedom! Freedom!' and carrying placards which read 'everyday fascism' emblazoned with yellow stars, drawing comparisons with the identification tags Jews were forced to wear in Nazi-occupied Europe.

The government on Friday introduced fresh Covid restrictions - the third week in a row that rules have been tightened amid the latest surge in cases.

Prime Minister Alexander De Croo announced that kindergartens and primary schools will close for the holiday season a week early, and children must now wear masks from the age of 6. Indoor events will only be allowed with a maximum of 200 people.

Previously, the government closed nightclubs, and ordered bars and restaurants to shut at 11pm for three weeks.

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Meanwhile in Austria, police used pepper spray and made several arrests on Saturday when more than 40,000 people marched through Vienna to protest against a lockdown and plans to make vaccinations compulsory.

Faced with a surge in infections, the government last month made Austria the first country in Western Europe to reimpose a lockdown and said it would make vaccinations mandatory from February.

People carried signs saying: 'I will decide for myself', 'Make Austria Great Again', and 'New Elections' - a nod to the political turmoil that has seen three chancellors within two months - as crowds gathered.

'I am here because I am against against forced vaccinations. I am for human rights, and the violation of human rights should be stopped,' one protester told Reuters.
'We are protecting our children,' said another.

People protesting against lockdown measures and Covid vaccinations march through Vienna city centre yesterday
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A banner, right, reads 'Unvaccinated Lives Matter' as thousands of demonstrators marched in Utrecht, Netherlands, yesterday
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Smaller protests were also held in Frankfurt, Germany, as well as in Barcelona, Spain and the city of York.

Not a peep on the BBC about a single one of these.


Hundreds of demonstrators gathered in York for a so-called 'freedom protest' and took part in musical performances in front of York Minster yesterday

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Video from Vienna yesterday of thousands marching in protest -

 


I will leave this here
 
If there was no vaccine, mortality and severe cases would be 3-4 times higher than they currently are
That's an assumption that can't be backed up, given all the vaccine trials were cut short, and the control groups at least partially vaccinated, before any long-term mortality data could be gathered. The numbers coming out of the NHS are heavily biased by the way that testing is carried out there and what is counted as a covid death. Anyone in hospital who tests positive is counted as a covid hospitalisation, regardless of what they're in for. Anyone who dies within 28 days of a test is counted as a covid death, regardless of what killed them. That's just the manipulation we know about. When you have statistics appearing to show that all causes mortality is reduced by these mRNA treatments, something has to be fucky in how the numbers are being recorded.

Yes, they're the best we have to go on, but they don't show vaccines working. The fundamental purpose of a vaccine is to prevent transmission of the disease being vaccinated against. These treatments don't stop you catching covid, they don't stop you getting ill, they don't stop or even slow transmission. They might appear to reduce severity of symptoms somewhat, though that's up for debate, but the fundamental purpose of a vaccine is to prevent transmission of a disease. These vaccines don't do that. That's what I mean when I say they don't work: They don't do the job they're supposed to do.

Everything that is happening, all the passports, all the restrictions, all the behavioural changes being forced on us, all the social shaming for not taking part in the game, all of it is predicated on a lie. We're being pushed to take a vaccine on the promise that it will stop covid spreading, when the vaccine doesn't stop covid spreading.
 
Well, one of us works and has healthcare through their employer for them and our kids. The other doesn’t work but has healthcare coverage due to their veteran status. It saves a hundred or 2 a month not having to have coverage on one of us so a penny saved is a penny earned but we were saving those pennies before COVID even started

It’s nowhere near what we save in childcare. Before and afterschool care is around $200 per kid per week. That’s $400 a week we’d be dropping each week that we don’t have to spend anymore. Plus I’ve got our grocery bill down to around $60 a week. That’s 2 times eating out or 3 times getting fast food for a family of 4 and that $60 goes the whole week cooking everything at home. We were probably blowing another $200 on that since my wife and I would both grab fast food on the way to work and for lunch most days. We just didn’t have time to make anything at home when we both worked. We didn’t have time for anything. We’ve got plenty of time now, plus the one of us who works has breakfast before they leave and packs lunch from home.

So saving $400 a week in childcare, conservatively, I’d say $200 a week on grocery/food costs, 1/2 the gas/upkeep on our cars because only one of us has to drive to and from work is at least a $50 savings. That means we’re saving at a minimum $650and I’d say most months it’s closer to $700. Since the one of us who stopped working to take care of the kids brought home around $700 net a month, you can see that we’re not losing anything. Plus we’re getting more time with our kids, a clean house all the time, home cooked meals all the time, someone there to take care of everything while everyone else is off doing what they need to do all the time. It’s worth it, (plus there are a bunch of ways to make a little extra cash if you want to doing stuff on the side like selling junk on Marketplace or gig work in your spare time.
Was that person a camgirl? unless you're literally making $8/hr, you should be clearing more than that a month. just that $700 a week in savings is the equivalent to a $22/hr job, which is roughly average, but you're forgetting the money saved on taxes, a one worker married filing jointly household basically pays half the taxes as single people, so you'll be saving $5k in taxes (assuming you're making roughly $80K) and thats just from not having to account for their income,
Fantastic link. Very handy. So... do I want to holiday in Mexico, Columbia or Romania? (Semi-serious question).

Related anecdote: last year during the height of lockdowns a friend who live in Mexico says the complex she lived in was filled with wealthy young American brats getting stoned, partying and just waiting out the lockdowns there.
Honestly i'm waiting for the KiwiCondo, JoshTown, etc. all the euros fleeing to rural virginia
(by way of el salvador) to bother ralph and keep up with chris .
I agree wholeheartedly. When has playing God ever worked out instead of resulting in horrific unintended consequences?
KIWIFARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though the idea of being to document a person's past the way this site has is literal playing god as in Paul literally said people like you need to fuck off instead of documenting lolcow or chris-like figures.
 

Translation (not mine):

The fine of €2000 is now less severe (instead of €7200), but the amendment to the law against vaccination opponents is explosive in terms of democratic politics: in the future, vaccination critics in Austria will face one year of imprisonment. The amendment has already passed the parliamentary committee. For the vaccination critics there are to be own detention rooms, the costs for the food supply are charged "to the obligated ones".

Quietly, and without wanting to cause much of a stir, the government has now finalized the current bill for the enforcement of the planned mandatory vaccination. Specifically, it is a corresponding amendment to the Administrative Enforcement Act.

The law text, which already passed the parliamentary committee intended for it and only with the dissenting votes of the FPÖ already by ÖVP, SPÖ, the Greens and NEOS was blessed, is available to the eXXpress.

According to this, anyone who refuses to be vaccinated against the Corona virus despite being asked to do so will have to pay a fine of 2000 euros. But it will not remain with a unique payment: Each violation will be punished again with 2000 euros - so as with violations of the speed limit. And: Who refuses to be vaccinated and also to pay the fines, is to be taken into bail.

And analogous to the fines, the duration can also add up here in the case of repetition: While initially a prison sentence of up to four weeks is possible, the government plans to extend the maximum duration to one year (!).

What is particularly explosive is that, unlike other prisoners, it is not the public purse that will pay for this, but the person concerned will have to cover his or her own costs during this time. So the offender must also pay for his food and cell.

Another interesting passage in the text of the law is that "detainees shall be held in detention rooms" that are separate from detainees "held under provisions other than this federal law." Thus, according to this amendment, apparently separate prison floors or prison buildings are to be created for vaccination opponents.

On December 2, the Constitutional Committee already gave the bill the green light - without the content having been publicly debated again beforehand.

The legislation is due to come into force in 2022 in just a few weeks' time. Changes would still be possible - but there was no criticism of it among the members of the governing parties, as excerpts from the minutes of the committee meeting show, which are available to eXXpress.

The amendment (1176 D.B.) sets a maximum total duration of preventive detention of one year. In addition, it provides for a legal remedy along the lines of the appeal against detention pending deportation, i.e. it extends legal protection. In principle, the enforcement of preventive detention is the exception in Austria, the statements emphasize. Usually, fines are sufficient as a means of deterrence.

In the committee meeting, Friedrich Ofenauer (ÖVP) stressed that preventive detention is to be understood as a last resort, which is used exclusively when fines cannot help the rule of law to prevail.

Agnes Sirkka Prammer, a member of parliament for the Greens, emphasized that a state is only as strong as its ability to enforce decisions. She pointed to a built-in legal protection mechanism by which the legality of detention is continuously reviewed.

Johannes Margreiter (NEOS) signaled his agreement and went on to say that this was not about classic violations of the law, but about individual cases, for example when a decision about an action to be taken was not followed.

Christian Drobits (SPÖ) particularly emphasized the limitation of detention to one year as positive.

The Freedom Party was more critical. Susanne Fürst (FPÖ) referred to the ongoing debate on compulsory vaccination, which makes the issue particularly explosive. According to her, it could not be ruled out that preventive detention could soon be used on a massive scale, especially for people who want to be vaccinated. This must be clearly ruled out.

There is already a political consensus on this, replied Constitutional Minister Caroline Edtstadler. She said that the intention was to encourage people to vaccinate, not to imprison them, and that this could also be laid down in the substantive law. However, the administrative law possibility of enforcing a desired behavior must be guaranteed so that the legal system retains its credibility, Edtstadler said.

The government bill was adopted by a majority, without the votes of the FPÖ.

It's official ladies and gentlemen
 
We're being pushed to take a vaccine on the promise that it will stop covid spreading, when the vaccine doesn't stop covid spreading.
I'm apparently the only one who got the 'vaccine' but actually paid attention to the paperwork they included and the 10 minute recording I had to listen to that explicitly stated that it was primarily to reduce hospitalizations and deaths and didn't even mention reducing the spread.

I suspect much of this is due to people being morons and them calling it a 'vaccine'.
 
I'm apparently the only one who got the 'vaccine' but actually paid attention to the paperwork they included and the 10 minute recording I had to listen to that explicitly stated that it was primarily to reduce hospitalizations and deaths and didn't even mention reducing the spread.
Apparently. The problem is, the government and the media repeat the lie that these vaccines are going to prevent covid spreading. They will even admit that it's not true, but then repeat the lie about preventing infection and transmission anyway, as it's the only way to justify the existence of all the covid theatre.
 
That's an assumption that can't be backed up, given all the vaccine trials were cut short, and the control groups at least partially vaccinated, before any long-term mortality data could be gathered. The numbers coming out of the NHS are heavily biased by the way that testing is carried out there and what is counted as a covid death. Anyone in hospital who tests positive is counted as a covid hospitalisation, regardless of what they're in for. Anyone who dies within 28 days of a test is counted as a covid death, regardless of what killed them. That's just the manipulation we know about. When you have statistics appearing to show that all causes mortality is reduced by these mRNA treatments, something has to be fucky in how the numbers are being recorded.

Yes, they're the best we have to go on, but they don't show vaccines working. The fundamental purpose of a vaccine is to prevent transmission of the disease being vaccinated against. These treatments don't stop you catching covid, they don't stop you getting ill, they don't stop or even slow transmission. They might appear to reduce severity of symptoms somewhat, though that's up for debate, but the fundamental purpose of a vaccine is to prevent transmission of a disease. These vaccines don't do that. That's what I mean when I say they don't work: They don't do the job they're supposed to do.

Everything that is happening, all the passports, all the restrictions, all the behavioural changes being forced on us, all the social shaming for not taking part in the game, all of it is predicated on a lie. We're being pushed to take a vaccine on the promise that it will stop covid spreading, when the vaccine doesn't stop covid spreading.
Ok that's on me, all this time I thought the rates for hospitalizations and deaths from the UK data were strictly of those caused directly by Covid, apparently it's not. There's a note below the table explaining just that but I managed to miss it till now.
However, they keep mentioning that studies show the effectiveness is around 90% against hospitalizations and mortalities, and practically stable for at least 5 months. Trying to figure out how they calculate effectiveness, though, the methodology is from this paper:

Specifically this table has the results.
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I don't understand how they calculate the % effectiveness.
 

Translation (not mine):

The fine of €2000 is now less severe (instead of €7200), but the amendment to the law against vaccination opponents is explosive in terms of democratic politics: in the future, vaccination critics in Austria will face one year of imprisonment. The amendment has already passed the parliamentary committee. For the vaccination critics there are to be own detention rooms, the costs for the food supply are charged "to the obligated ones".

Quietly, and without wanting to cause much of a stir, the government has now finalized the current bill for the enforcement of the planned mandatory vaccination. Specifically, it is a corresponding amendment to the Administrative Enforcement Act.

The law text, which already passed the parliamentary committee intended for it and only with the dissenting votes of the FPÖ already by ÖVP, SPÖ, the Greens and NEOS was blessed, is available to the eXXpress.

According to this, anyone who refuses to be vaccinated against the Corona virus despite being asked to do so will have to pay a fine of 2000 euros. But it will not remain with a unique payment: Each violation will be punished again with 2000 euros - so as with violations of the speed limit. And: Who refuses to be vaccinated and also to pay the fines, is to be taken into bail.

And analogous to the fines, the duration can also add up here in the case of repetition: While initially a prison sentence of up to four weeks is possible, the government plans to extend the maximum duration to one year (!).

What is particularly explosive is that, unlike other prisoners, it is not the public purse that will pay for this, but the person concerned will have to cover his or her own costs during this time. So the offender must also pay for his food and cell.

Another interesting passage in the text of the law is that "detainees shall be held in detention rooms" that are separate from detainees "held under provisions other than this federal law." Thus, according to this amendment, apparently separate prison floors or prison buildings are to be created for vaccination opponents.

On December 2, the Constitutional Committee already gave the bill the green light - without the content having been publicly debated again beforehand.

The legislation is due to come into force in 2022 in just a few weeks' time. Changes would still be possible - but there was no criticism of it among the members of the governing parties, as excerpts from the minutes of the committee meeting show, which are available to eXXpress.

The amendment (1176 D.B.) sets a maximum total duration of preventive detention of one year. In addition, it provides for a legal remedy along the lines of the appeal against detention pending deportation, i.e. it extends legal protection. In principle, the enforcement of preventive detention is the exception in Austria, the statements emphasize. Usually, fines are sufficient as a means of deterrence.

In the committee meeting, Friedrich Ofenauer (ÖVP) stressed that preventive detention is to be understood as a last resort, which is used exclusively when fines cannot help the rule of law to prevail.

Agnes Sirkka Prammer, a member of parliament for the Greens, emphasized that a state is only as strong as its ability to enforce decisions. She pointed to a built-in legal protection mechanism by which the legality of detention is continuously reviewed.

Johannes Margreiter (NEOS) signaled his agreement and went on to say that this was not about classic violations of the law, but about individual cases, for example when a decision about an action to be taken was not followed.

Christian Drobits (SPÖ) particularly emphasized the limitation of detention to one year as positive.

The Freedom Party was more critical. Susanne Fürst (FPÖ) referred to the ongoing debate on compulsory vaccination, which makes the issue particularly explosive. According to her, it could not be ruled out that preventive detention could soon be used on a massive scale, especially for people who want to be vaccinated. This must be clearly ruled out.

There is already a political consensus on this, replied Constitutional Minister Caroline Edtstadler. She said that the intention was to encourage people to vaccinate, not to imprison them, and that this could also be laid down in the substantive law. However, the administrative law possibility of enforcing a desired behavior must be guaranteed so that the legal system retains its credibility, Edtstadler said.

The government bill was adopted by a majority, without the votes of the FPÖ.

It's official ladies and gentlemen
All we had left on the conspiracy theory chalkboard was:

They're not going to round the unvaccinated up and put them in camps.
And, the vaccines aren't depopulation control.

I guess we're just down to population control. Damn.
 
on average 98% comply and 91% get the shot. and yet they'd still rather wait till after the holidays, i'm calling shenanigans, unless the government is just that stupid telling 2-9% of your workforce to fuck off shouldn't be that crippling. plenty of companies lay off that many at a time.

thats not true. how about clothes? bet you aren't conforming less in those areas, no need to wear socks or underwear yet you still do like a conformist. its legal to not wear a shirt either.
Compliance isn't the issue. Their original numbers within one of my initial post shows that confidence is lower than that. The feds are treading on thin Ice as those who have complied may not in the future. for my branch it was a little under 70% that includes people that were and are in the vaccinated status saying no. Given mouths to feed is a concern and mean probably consented do to that.

This is a numbers game and I would not give anyone a pass on fudging them. Compliance is people that submitted paper work true or not. Also here in the great US of A the first role outs of mandates have been the lowest of earners Walmart worker and such great example of how it works those who have no means will comply then the federal works follow suit. This is a matter of fallowing the progression of they came after them then it will be you. Enjoy your gayness is these gayest of time.

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H1N1 In basic training during this time, know what the protocol was call your parents and note you are fine. I didn't get a shot or anything for it.
 
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Earlier I saw some discussion of the shifting attitudes towards cats regarding the environment

Cats may "rule" the internet, but in the real world, to an alarming number of people, cats are "second-class" pets, if that. There's somewhat of a double standard against cats in contrast with dogs, specifically.

Cats are supposed to be kept inside, never to feel the warmth of sunlight or soft grass because they kill small animals and "can wipe out ecosystems." Meanwhile everyone pretends that dogs don't do the exact same thing + more. The dog is one of the "top killers" of pets (including other dogs) and they are a top killer of livestock. Bigger dogs also have the added risk of being able to kill humans. They can also cause worse damage to property. Despite this, dogs apparently have every right to be outside but cats should be locked inside. Oh a dog killed a cat that was minding its own business on porch? Cat shouldn't have been outside! "Cats are just chew toys," "cats are vermin," "I love shooting cats," etc. Oh and cats will also eat you when you die dogs do this too.

My family's had chickens for years, and cats. I get questioned and teased about cats killing chickens, which is funny because our cats have never once bothered our chickens. Nor have the (admittedly few) neighbor cats and stray cats. However we've had entire flocks of both adults and chicks get wiped out by dogs allowed to roam freely multiple times. Money lost, eggs lost, pets lost. Pets that we bred and raised. They also rarely kill wild birds and mice. I wouldn't be shocked if cats (not the neurotic pit bulls flooding shelters) are the first to be rounded up and euthanized en masse because muh climate change.

Sorry for the rant but I don't get to talk about this a lot. Before anyone says anything, I do like dogs, I just prefer cats and get understandably incensed at the double standards.
 
I'm apparently the only one who got the 'vaccine' but actually paid attention to the paperwork they included and the 10 minute recording I had to listen to that explicitly stated that it was primarily to reduce hospitalizations and deaths and didn't even mention reducing the spread.

I suspect much of this is due to people being morons and them calling it a 'vaccine'.

The more I hear about this Chinkflu stuff, the less sense it makes.

So the jabs are supposed to reduce your risk of being hospitalized/dead. Cool. I think most of us are anti-death.

Therefore... why aren't they just giving it to people who are at risk of being hospitalized or killed if they catch coof? Which we already know, because we've been dealing with this shit for 2 whole years now, isn't the (vast) majority of the population, and definitely isn't kids. It's the old, the fat, the unhealthy.

If it works to lessen the severity of symptoms, but does little or nothing to reduce transmission, there's literally no good reason to try to force or blackmail it on healthy 20somethings or children, or anybody really - except the narrowly defined at-risk groups. A symptom-reducing drug isn't going to work better in grandma's bloodstream because a bunch of elementary school kids were forced to get it too.
 
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