Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Distant Ranger]

Hope for the best

 

[HumanHive]

Russia already has access to warm water ports currently. They annexed it a couple years ago. There is nothing else of value there except having a buffer state between them and globohomo from a Russian pov. Conquering the Ukraine causes way more problems than solutions and that's the cost benefit analysis before factoring in any potential involvement from the West.

It's never warm enough. Now they want a warmer water port in Syria.
Their ultimate goal is to invade the Sun.

 

[DumbDude42]

In the post you quoted, I typed "Russia" when I meant to type "Putin."
You are correct that many Russians view Belarus and Ukraine as part of their homeland, but the Kremlin doesn't seem interested in unification (annexing Crimea was not its most preferred option and likely wouldn't have happened without the Maidan). It is most interested in maintaining its eastern neighbors as satellite states/imperial vassals, if possible. This was the state of affairs under Yanukovych and still is under Lukashenko. It was extremely unpopular in Western Ukraine and is continually growing more and more unpopular in Belarus because many people don't want to live in a corrupt vassal state.
While being a vassal of the West is far more toxic in many respects, at least the EU, unlike the Putinosphere, can claim to offer integration, prosperity and political representation. Those of us living in the west know that these are all false promises, but I can easily see how young people in a neo-Soviet vassal state like Belarus could fall for them.

yeah unlike russia, the west can offer to dump lots of of cash into these countries. belarus and ukraine are very poor, so the promise of western money is very appealing to them, especially after seeing how their neighbors (poland and the baltic states) were brought to unprecedented levels of prosperity by western aid while they themselves kept stagnating in semi poverty together with russia.

 

[Hüftpriester]

The concept of reclaiming your ancestral homeland is a thing. Russia only has to go back to the Mongol invasion to justify their claim to Ukraine, while Israel had to go all the way back to the glorious reign of Hadrian to do the same with Palestine. Russia can take Ukraine and Belarus without doing anything wrong.

 

[MadStan]

This is a difficult situation.

If the USA presses the "doom" button on the financial system for Russia, Russia may start pulling supplies from their pipes to Europe. Although if they do, they lose support for the Oligarchs quickly as they run out of cash and nowhere to use it.

Then again, with Boeing and Co. not having to arm up Afghan troops, there is plenty of excess supply to give to the Ukraine to put up a rather nasty fight.

I vote for a proxy war, backed by the USA and Europe to supply the Ukraine freedom fighters.

It is the only sensible thing to do.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Their ultimate goal is to invade the Sun.

Ahh yes, the ultimate foe of winter, 1000 year lasting Reich Winter season when?

 

[Liber Pater]

yeah unlike russia, the west can offer to dump lots of of cash into these countries. belarus and ukraine are very poor, so the promise of western money is very appealing to them, especially after seeing how their neighbors (poland and the baltic states) were brought to unprecedented levels of prosperity by western aid while they themselves kept stagnating in semi poverty together with russia.

Russia could have afforded to do something similar had their natural riches not been drained and squandered by (((oligarchs))). By facilitating corruption in vassal states (as a means of securing the loyalty of vassal elites) and not proactively aiding their economic development, the Kremlin has made its influence unbearable and is gradually pushing all of its neighbors away.

 

[Maurice Caine]

Fuck sake i saw this thread and "3 minutes ago" and thought shit was about to get funky, and all I got was blue balls

Fucking nerds and their pretend wars lol

 

[LeChampion1992]

Russia already has access to warm water ports currently. They annexed it a couple years ago. There is nothing else of value there except having a buffer state between them and globohomo from a Russian pov. Conquering the Ukraine causes way more problems than solutions and that's the cost benefit analysis before factoring in any potential involvement from the West.

That's why if anything they will take only part of Ukraine instead of the whole thing.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

That's why if anything they will take only part of Ukraine instead of the whole thing.

I'm pressing X on them taking any more of Ukraine, let alone all of it. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see how additional Black Sea ports are value added when the Bosporus Strait remains in NATO's hands.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I'm pressing X on them taking any more of Ukraine, let alone all of it. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see how additional Black Sea ports are value added when the Bosporus Strait remains in NATO's hands.

I mean Russia merely needs dominance of the black sea to exert it's naval presence over NATO. After all Russia only needs to secure a buffer zone of Russian speaking Ukrainians. For NATO the game is more dangerous as well NATO is under equipped to handle hybrid warfare from Russia.

 

[HumanHive]

That's why if anything they will take only part of Ukraine instead of the whole thing.

There's some talk about creating a new Russia-aligned state in Southwestern Ukraine, in Odessa.

 

[LillWeeb]

I think i might speak for us all if there is a war with Russia I want no part of it, im not going to war against other Christians , and im not gonna die for Biden, the global elites, homos and troons.

 

[Henry V]

I think it's pretty clear what NATO's stance is. This all comes down to what is talked about in a phone call with Biden and Putin on Tuesday. In the headlines, it looks like they have completely opposing stances and they do, but it's really Putin's goal to gain more concessions, and the more of a show they put in with moving their troops back and forth the more he can exploit governments fear of WW3 or European destabilization. If the phone call sorts things out which I think it will then some economic concession will be made or stupid pledge and everybody will go home for a year. On the other hand, if nothing comes from the phone call we are likely to see some sort of military action taken by Putin to satelight Ukraine and use it as a buffer state and to control more of the oil trade. This is likely the case if nothing can be negotiated as NATO hasn't really done anything but yell sanctions which don't intimidate the kremlin one bit due to Russia being more than capable of handling whatever sanctions are imposed, Also if their invasion is successful they can just cuck the West a bit by shutting off the pipelines to them. I think it's pretty clear that there is something different and more escalated about this exchanged as when there were less details on the actual size of the supposed invasion the US was saying "All options are on the table if Russia invades." now as more info has been gathered on the legitimacy of the invasion they have limited their actions to sanctions.

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

I think NATO would not go to war over Ukraine, but much of it's credibility hinges on it. Putin will try to shake out NATO promises for Ukrainian incorporation while he can. This is a good way to do it without actually invading.

NATO doesn't survive flinching on Ukraine if Ukraine is offered membership and then invaded.

 

[MysticLord]

Given that Ukranians are apparently mentally disabled, we should give all of their women asylum in the USA, pressure Brazil to give their men asylum, and sell what's left of Ukraine to Poland. Poland at least isn't stupid enough to provoke a former superpower into invading them while also selling their land, women, and sovereignty to the same NKVD ethnics that raped and butchered them 3 generations ago.

 

[LeChampion1992]

There's some talk about creating a new Russia-aligned state in Southwestern Ukraine, in Odessa.

Yeah Odessa would be a place is asymmetrical warfare against the Russians I see it being given to the Ukrainians. But I see other cities going to Russia.

 

[(((Obar Lazcano Kamz)))]

Given that Ukranians are apparently mentally disabled, we should give all of their women asylum in the USA, pressure Brazil to give their men asylum, and sell what's left of Ukraine to Poland. Poland at least isn't stupid enough to provoke a former superpower into invading them while also selling their land, women, and sovereignty to the same NKVD ethnics that raped and butchered them 3 generations ago.

weaponize the Ukrainians = Dnepropetrovsk maniacs

 

[Male Idiot]

Russians sell us the heaty gas for winter.

So for Nato to do anything, Uncle Sam would need to build Pipeline Freedom from New York/Florida etc to France, unless they want the rest of Nato to be renamed the Icycle Korps.

Yeah it would hurt Russia to not sell gas for 1 winter, but it would absolutely decimate Europe.
Around half of the households would become unheated, and thus uninhabitable.

It is currently a total dependence. Around 50% of the population uses gas heaters.
Even if we switch to nuclear, guess who sells fuel to that. Blyat.
Only way to make this delete europe button go away would be to give massive heater upgrade gibsmedats and massive coal mining and power plant building, or praying to Odin for the windiest of all winters with 24/7 strong winds, because solar panels won't cut it.
Or the biggest freighter operation from the US that would also in any war be very vulnerable and inefficient.

So Nato can't do anything, Russia has Europe's nuts in am icy fist.

Also, gib land back!

 

[DumbDude42]

Even if we switch to nuclear, guess who sells fuel to that. Blyat.

uranium is mined all over the world, including places such as canada and australia, and unlike natural gas it's pretty easy to ship around because you need only small amounts of it to run your nuclear plants compared to the gigantic volume of natural gas you need to operate gas power plants. a bunch of countries in europe already run on mostly nuclear power and as a result are not exposed to russian pressure, but for some reason the germans and their (((greens))) have a massive fucking hate boner for nuclear power and as a result they're now putins little bitch lol