TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Kevin Roberts]

I wasn’t even aware that Eilish dropped a book! I know she has a new album and a concert film, but not a book. Obviously her publisher is too r-tarded to take advantage of the album and concert to promote the book.

Nah, she was part of cancel J. K. Rowling movement, so she thinks she can take her place, because she has her SJW Cult following.

 

[Ninon42]

@grapeshark77 That's an interesting article with good points about the inability of most celebrities to convert free internet points (aka followers) into actual money through sales. Tracking only printed copies and not digital copies sold via Kindle, Nook, Audible, etc seems like it's only telling part of the story in current year though. Of the couple dozen books I've bought this year, most were on Kindle and only 3 were actually printed. Either way, Lindsay's book did poorly on any scale.

Her conversion rate of subs-to-paypigs continues to decline, and it's a contraction not reflected by her peers so yeah, it's a Lindsay problem. She's now at a lower number of Patrons than a year ago with little-to-no social media presence and an inconsistent production rate for both videos and podcasts. Removing the $10/mo Patreon tier means any new paypigs will only be at the $2/mo level and the $10 old guard will peel away as they get literally nothing for their money.

Not that she's getting many new subs anyway. Before it flatlined, the estimate was 334/day and about 10K/mo, which is great for a new creator but for a professional, not ideal.

She still has 1.19M subs, sponsors and paypigs paying by the month, not video, so a long way from insolvent but not exactly keeping her in the manner to which she has grown accustomed if her overhead and employee expenses remain high. I think she might move to Texas within a year because of the better opportunities for both her and the cuck.

Here's a YouTuber going over his income quite openly as well as his investments. Lindsay would do well to follow his lead lol. Unfortunately, it just shows that if he's making around $60K/mo at 335K subs and no sponsors, she's pissed away an obscene amount of money over the years on buying friends, booze and Disney trips rather than squirreling cash away for the inevitable decline.

 

[Boston Brand]

Those declining numbers gave me a half chub. Beautiful!

Yeah, the quote from St. Martin's Press is particularly interesting... by all accounts, of all the spec fiction publishers, they were the ones snookered the most into awarding advances and contracts based on social media.

Lindsay is proof positive that doesn't work, and that quote shows maybe they have learned thier lesson... I know one longtime author of thiers who left them for Baen specifically over thier not marketing his books instead of flash in the pan social media stars.

Also, my publisher is (finally) renewing our BookScan subscription accounts at the start of next year. So for all those curious about Lindsay's actual sales numbers... I will be able to pull them.

Any bets on if she flames out at the Hugos in a couple of weeks?

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Axioms End is just Beauty and the Beast/Hades and Persephone but with aliens




So the alien basically made the girl his mate without asking her consent first? That's rich coming from someone who screeched about how Reylo is abusive and problematic and how Ariel is bad for women...
edit: Oh, another pairing Lindsay has a hard-on for is Basil/Rattigan (or at least she believes Rattigan is Basil's bitter ex-boyfriend). Guess what kind of relationship the main alien and the villain alien had?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

That article mentions St Martin's Press ("which is that a tweet or a post is not necessarily going to sell any books") who is the publisher for Ellis' work, so that's a fun little tidbit.

Hopefully they've finally learned their lesson. Wonder how much of an advance they gave Lindsay. Probably to much.

Axioms End is just Beauty and the Beast/Hades and Persephone but with aliens

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So the alien basically made the girl his mate without asking her consent first? That's rich coming from someone who screeched about how Reylo is abusive and problematic and how Ariel is bad for women...
edit: Oh, another pairing Lindsay has a hard-on for is Basil/Rattigan (or at least she believes Rattigan is Basil's bitter ex-boyfriend). Guess what kind of relationship the main alien and the villain alien had?

Okay, so is this the reason she walked back her critique on Twilight and said there's nothing wrong with it?

Also, woman with a soy husband has what is basically a rape fantasy. Color me shocked.

 

[Boston Brand]

Hopefully they've finally learned their lesson. Wonder how much of an advance they gave Lindsay. Probably to much.

Okay, so is this the reason she walked back her critique on Twilight and said there's nothing wrong with it?

Also, woman with a soy husband has what is basically a rape fantasy. Color me shocked.

They one hundred percent gave her too large an advance and are bleeding money over her books. Only reason who books jumped from new release to clearance bins and wholesalers faster than most books by politicians is because the publisher is taking a bath on them.

And of course she walked back her criticism of Twilight - as horrifying as it is to say, Stephanie Meyer is a far better writer than Ellis is. To say nothing of Ellis hitting many of the same beats and tropes with much less skill than Twilight... the new book probably is the worst example of book PTSD since New Moon.

God I need a shower after admitting that. Several.

 

[Ninon42]

They one hundred percent gave her too large an advance and are bleeding money over her books. Only reason who books jumped from new release to clearance bins and wholesalers faster than most books by politicians is because the publisher is taking a bath on them.

And of course she walked back her criticism of Twilight - as horrifying as it is to say, Stephanie Meyer is a far better writer than Ellis is. To say nothing of Ellis hitting many of the same beats and tropes with much less skill than Twilight... the new book probably is the worst example of book PTSD since New Moon.

God I need a shower after admitting that. Several.

Damning with the very faintest of praise lol. Her delusional simps who have read nothing but Harry Potter, internet fanfic and young adult lit think it's great though

Also, woman with a soy husband has what is basically a rape fantasy. Color me shocked.

Lindsay did that whole Omegaverse rape fic liveread with her clique at the start of her video on the subject (first 2:30 minutes)

and for all her protestations to the contrary (especially in her claims to be the biggest victim who ever victimed when convenient) rape/non-con comes up a lot in her projects.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

Axioms End is just Beauty and the Beast/Hades and Persephone but with aliens

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So the alien basically made the girl his mate without asking her consent first? That's rich coming from someone who screeched about how Reylo is abusive and problematic and how Ariel is bad for women...
edit: Oh, another pairing Lindsay has a hard-on for is Basil/Rattigan (or at least she believes Rattigan is Basil's bitter ex-boyfriend). Guess what kind of relationship the main alien and the villain alien had?

You ever notice it's always the dumpy shrill harpy feminists that scream about "rape culture" but then get off to shit like this and never the drop dead gorgeous and successful women that they oh so desperately wish they were deep down? I wonder if there's some sort of fucked up freudian theory that could explain this other than "dumpy wine aunt is sexually frustrated and can only get off/get laid is through creepy rapey shit".

Back on track: LMAO fucking Ellis is getting wrecked and her booze savings are getting tighter with each blunder she puts out. Hope she likes learning some temperance and maybe not throwing your colleagues under the bus.

 

[Boston Brand]

You ever notice it's always the dumpy shrill harpy feminists that scream about "rape culture" but then get off to shit like this and never the drop dead gorgeous and successful women that they oh so desperately wish they were deep down? I wonder if there's some sort of fucked up freudian theory that could explain this other than "dumpy wine aunt is sexually frustrated and can only get off/get laid is through creepy rapey shit".

Back on track: LMAO fucking Ellis is getting wrecked and her booze savings are getting tighter with each blunder she puts out. Hope she likes learning some temperance and maybe not throwing your colleagues under the bus.

Temperance? Lets be real, if Ellis needs to start trimming the fat from the budget, it will be her hangers on she keeps on payroll way before she cuts booze from her budget.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Hopefully they've finally learned their lesson. Wonder how much of an advance they gave Lindsay. Probably to much.

Okay, so is this the reason she walked back her critique on Twilight and said there's nothing wrong with it?

Also, woman with a soy husband has what is basically a rape fantasy. Color me shocked.

Especially since the alien is a weird horse/insect thingy, no one besides bronys will this "hot". I don't even know why she put it in there, considering AE is apparently "science fiction", not YA, because being a YA writer is too low for Lindsay's intellectual standards.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Okay, so is this the reason she walked back her critique on Twilight and said there's nothing wrong with it?

And of course she walked back her criticism of Twilight - as horrifying as it is to say, Stephanie Meyer is a far better writer than Ellis is. To say nothing of Ellis hitting many of the same beats and tropes with much less skill than Twilight... the new book probably is the worst example of book PTSD since New Moon.

I think part of it was it was the cool thing to hate on the Internet for the tail end of the Bush Administration. And the first Obama term.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Twilight was an easy target but it’s not like bashing it led to better literature. In fact, it got much worse from there. Give me sparkly vampires over drag queens and intersectional bullshit any day.

 

[T.E.R.F]

Yeah, I don't think Meyer needs an apology from Ellis. No one, including Meyer, put up the pretense that Twilight was high art. But she put her mark on the world at the end of the 2000s like very few people ever will. She also has enough decency to keep herself out of the spotlight. Lindsay could take note.

Spoiler

She's also happily married with children,

 

[Random Internet Person]

Twilight was an easy target but it’s not like bashing it led to better literature. In fact, it got much worse from there.

You could say that about anything that’s widely hated on the Internet. Look at Nickelback, or Michael Bay, or Fifty Shades, or WWE, or any part of Star Wars that isn’t the Original Trilogy or something derived from it.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Meh, Twilight is an easy trash read. I've read worse when on the toiler. Twilight even had some interesting ideas - granted it never did anything with them, but still. - which could have been fun to explore. Ellis is just a bad writer.

 

[Boston Brand]

From an editorial standpoint, Twilight is awful.

The book itself is on par with any other disposable romance novel. Plenty of Harlequin romance novels are as bad as Twilight. Hell, Meyer originally wrote Twilight as a Harlequin romance novel. It shows, and Meyer is about on par with most awful corset ripper authors, which is why none of her non-Twilight books sold.

The innovation was that it was aimed at teenage girls rather than middle aged women, and made a gigantic pile of money doing so. Like the kind of profit margins most publishers would stab their own mothers for, we're talking hundreds of millions here. So of course, every other publisher starts cranking out awful Harlequin level YA novels written by authors who couldn't hack it writing fanfiction.

You can literally trace the worst trends on modern speculative fiction especially all to either Twilight or Harry Potter. So the hate is justified. And the only reason some of the critics of it a decade ago are pretending its not is because CURRENT YEAR POLITICS means saying literally anything written by a woman is awful is sexist/fascist/literally Gamergate. That and I suspect many of them, Ellis included, realize they're as awful at writing as Meyer is.

That people hate Twilight isn't just because it's bad, but because it was massively successful, and directly led to hordes of imitators that were often worse, and dragged down much of the surrounding genre with it. AKA the Nickelback effect, that Nickelback sucks so badly they more or less killed rock and roll's presence in popular music.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

So I guess the moral of the story is: just because you bash a trashy book doesn't automatically make you a better writer and sometimes if you're talentless enough, you can make Meyer look like Alighieri in comparison.

Back on track: No one but someone as sexually frustrated as Ellis here would fuck a rapey horse-insect alien thing because Ellis is fat from alcohol bloat and no one would have sex with her- not even her soy bitch of a husband.

 

[Random Internet Person]

From an editorial standpoint, Twilight is awful.

The book itself is on par with any other disposable romance novel. Plenty of Harlequin romance novels are as bad as Twilight. Hell, Meyer originally wrote Twilight as a Harlequin romance novel. It shows, and Meyer is about on par with most awful corset ripper authors, which is why none of her non-Twilight books sold.

The innovation was that it was aimed at teenage girls rather than middle aged women, and made a gigantic pile of money doing so. Like the kind of profit margins most publishers would stab their own mothers for, we're talking hundreds of millions here. So of course, every other publisher starts cranking out awful Harlequin level YA novels written by authors who couldn't hack it writing fanfiction.

You can literally trace the worst trends on modern speculative fiction especially all to either Twilight or Harry Potter. So the hate is justified. And the only reason some of the critics of it a decade ago are pretending its not is because CURRENT YEAR POLITICS means saying literally anything written by a woman is awful is sexist/fascist/literally Gamergate. That and I suspect many of them, Ellis included, realize they're as awful at writing as Meyer is.

That people hate Twilight isn't just because it's bad, but because it was massively successful, and directly led to hordes of imitators that were often worse, and dragged down much of the surrounding genre with it. AKA the Nickelback effect, that Nickelback sucks so badly they more or less killed rock and roll's presence in popular music.

Funny you mention Nickelback, because I found a clip that could explain a lot.

(from Top 10 Worst Hit Songs Of 2004)
Not only that, but I think that 2008 was the year Twilight hate went into overdrive after the movie came out and people went "VAMPIRES ARE RUINED! THESE GUYS ARE AWFUL! GO READ DRACULA, YOU LITTLE KIDDIES, AND COME BACK TO ME!"

I wonder if Lindsay was a result of the aftermath of that same effect. I mean, we're here talking about how her book is badly written tripe.

Also, I'd like to know what these trends from Twilight and Harry Potter are that you speak of.

 

[Two Gorillion Dollars]

And don't forget Hunger Games!

 

[Shaka Brah]

Also, woman with a soy husband has what is basically a rape fantasy. Color me shocked.

All you needed to say. It's the most common sexual fantasy among women.