Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[X Prime]

You're both being ridiculous.

 

[XYZpdq]

I know spastic nerds tried to adopt We're Not Got Gonna Take It to stick it to the Vax Man
but seriously the old Offspring song All I Want fits great

and it even hits that NuBoomer vibe

 

[Vince McMahon]

You're both being ridiculous.

How are we both ridiculous?

 

[X Prime]

Mostly because you've both been moralizing on this issue on Kiwi Farms from different angles, an inherently ridiculous thing.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Mostly because you've both been moralizing on this issue on Kiwi Farms from different angles, an inherently ridiculous thing.

Not everyone can present and not every topic can be presented with an impartial, cool and le ironic attitude of someone who "definitely does not care you guiz".

Although yeah, this is KF, this doesn't mean that the topic you care about specifically you can't discuss seriously. I don't know if you have noticed but majority of people do it anyway. They just have their own sacred...cow that is totes different from whatever petty topic someone else is discussing.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Also germoney everything gone if employer suspects fake vaccine card lol . This will go great

Isn't that only news because Germany makes it difficult for employers to fire people? In the US I'm fairly positive it would be piss easy to fire someone for that and the card can potentially be turned over to the police/feds since it's technically a forged document. It's probably not hard to deny unemployment benefits from that either.

 

[Billy Beer]

Booster shots now available for over 30's in England.

Advert on the radio saying we should vaccinate kids because "Double jab gives them all the protection they need". I'm going to give it a month before that advert ages badly and kids need a booster.

I've noticed almost all news/radio/websites in the UK call it a Covid Vaccine, as a standalone item, but when somebody is given the vaccine, they call it "the jab", instead. It's a covid Vaccine, the people taking it are vaccinated, but what they're taking is a "Jab". Very strange that they wouldn't call it a vaccine...

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Isn't that only news because Germany makes it difficult for employers to fire people? In the US I'm fairly positive it would be piss easy to fire someone for that and the card can potentially be turned over to the police/feds since it's technically a forged document. It's probably not hard to deny unemployment benefits from that either.

I have no idea how the germany unemployment works but in Norway they can't deny you unemployment unless you broke the law and they can't under the constitution force you to reveal medical information unless they prove a good reason for it nor demand to be subjected to medical treatment. This all stinks and demands lawyers brigade to batter down the government and companies for it too bad payouts are not that high .

Also found a good hypothesis what might happen with the necroomricon pasting it here

I've seen lots of speculation around the new variant, and whether it's basically a ploy to introduce new lockdowns, restrictions, etc, or to cover up vaccine deaths, particularly as the small number of cases seen so far have shown very mild symptoms.

I'm not going to speculate further on any social motives for a new variant, but I would like to put forth a theoretical situation. This may or may not apply to the new variant, but it *could* apply to any future variant. I put this forward so that others may discuss it - feel free to pick holes in it, I would like to know any reasons why it could not happen, as to me the mild symptoms are actually seeming like quite the warning flag, and may be hiding something potentially very serious.

The situation is as follows:

1. A new variant arrives, let's call it variant Omega. It causes extremely mild symptoms, and is only discovered in a triple foxed individual 3 days after they get off a plane and are PCR-ed. The patient recovers, but Omega is found to be heavily mutated from the original strain.

2. Borders are closed, lock downs ordered, vixen passes, mandates, masks on whilst sat alone in the airing cupboard - the full works. A month or so passes... and nothing. The usual trickle of deaths come in, but they appear to mostly be old variants, particularly Delta. A few cases of Omega are found here and there, usually in the vixenated, but they all recover with no real effects after a few days. Amidst furious calls from frustrated populations, particularly those vixenated, things slowly open up.

3. Still, nothing happens. People get back to (new) normal and life carries on. The odd person might have a bit of a cough, or feel a bit tired for a few days, but things seem fine.

4. Until it's not. People suddenly take a turn for the worse, and start gasping for breath with plunging oxygen levels, or go to bed feeling a bit dizzy and don't wake up, or start dropping dead from heart attacks whilst walking the dog or driving to work. They do not test positive beforehand (if they are even tested at all) and are all vixenated. A new variant is blamed, but cannot be identified. This keeps happening, seemingly at random. Lockdowns get re-imposed, everyone is confined to their homes, but these measures do nothing to stop it - people who have self-isolated in a remote Scottish cottage for 2 months still just drop dead one morning.

5. This chaos continues until a certain horse dewormer is quietly allowed to be re-prescribed off-label, or there is only a small proportion of the population remaining.

So what the hell happened? My theory goes that the Omega virus enters the body and goes effectively either unnoticed by the immune system (due to immune tolerance, trained in by the vixen) or the antibody defences used are utterly ineffective against a modified spike protein (due to original antigenic sin from the original-strain vixens). Both scenarios basically allow the virus to go about its business unhindered, and with minimal side effects, as the immune system is barely bothering with it, or has been overwhelmed, having put all its resources into a useless spike antibody. Let's say that Omega has also modified its spike protein so that it is now able to enter the immune cells through antibody-enhancement. It can then camp out there, safe and cozy, making billions of copies of itself completely unimpeded, which is ultimately all the virus 'wants'. The patient will show barely any symptoms, as the body no longer even knows that it is infected, particularly as the CD-8 T-cells, which are specifically intended to detect this kind of hostile takeover, are suppressed by the vixens. Meanwhile, our patient is spreading the virus far and wide, and, as only the unfoxed are tested, nobody is any the wiser. The virus has evolutionary shifted itself to immune evasion and high infectiousness, at the cost of virulence, as is the way with most respiratory viruses. That doesn't mean it's harmless though - in a normal situation, the immune system would be frantically fighting the virus that is taking over its body, causing symptoms, but in this scenario, the vixens essentially prevent any meaningful defensive response, only 'more of the same' out-of-date spike antibodies (if you've followed JMG for a while, you'll be seeing a parallel with a similar line of thinking in declining civilisations). As the virus moves from the lung cells, where it is most infectious and least likely to show symptoms, to the immune cells in the blood stream, it is essentially hidden from being found in nasal or throat swabs, so the virus seems to 'disappear' from the body and is presumed defeated. The spike protein, and by proxy the virus, are actually somewhat toxic even if inactive though, as they bind to human cells extremely well, particularly in the endothelium of blood vessels, where they cause widespread clotting. Therefore, at some critical point, which will be different in all individuals, a threshold is reached and the level of virus will be so great that the clots build up to such an extent they cause a heart attack, stroke, or haemorrhage, and people suddenly drop dead, weeks or months after initial infection with Omega. The only solution is to ensure that the patient can rid themselves of the virus, which is where the horse dewormer comes in.

I call this the Red Death scenario, alluding to the book The Masque of The Red Death - the castle doors are bolted shut, the great unwashed (unfoxed) locked safely outside, but somehow the guests are all still dying, and when the Red Death is eventually cornered - he has disappeared. I have also had a lot of Red Death synchronicities lately.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/159009.html?thread=22163233#cmt22163233

It has interesting discussion about how it might play out.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Wow, didn't think it'd be so soon! Boris' latest scandal:

PM Boris Johnson took part in No 10 Christmas quiz last year

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer says it appears Boris Johnson has breached Covid laws at the event.

www.bbc.co.uk

PM Boris Johnson took part in No 10 Christmas quiz last year - BBC Ne…

archived 12 Dec 2021 09:21:30 UTC

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London was under Tier Two restrictions at the time, which banned mixing of households indoors - apart from support bubbles - and allowed a maximum of six people to meet outside.

Official guidance said: "Although there are exemptions for work purposes, you must not have a work Christmas lunch or party, where that is a primarily social activity and is not otherwise permitted by the rules in your tier."

Responding to the photo, a No10 spokesperson said: "This was a virtual quiz. Downing Street staff were often required to be in the office to work on the pandemic response so those who were in the office for work may have attended virtually from their desks."

A Downing Street source told the BBC the two people in the picture with Mr Johnson were members of his closer staff who had come in to help him with the technology.

But Labour's deputy leader Ms Rayner said: "Boris Johnson really believes it's one rule for him, another for everyone else.

"Despite repeated denials of parties in No 10, it now transpires that there were numerous parties, gatherings and the prime minister even took part in a festive quiz," she said.

Of course, scandal or no, they need to continue spiking fear in the populace:

On Saturday, a further 633 Omicron cases were reported - although the real number is estimated to be much higher. Overall, a further 54,073 daily cases were recorded across the UK.

Meanwhile, a report by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has suggested the UK will face a substantial wave of Omicron infections in January without further restrictions, beyond Plan B.

It also said the number of deaths could range from 25,000 to 75,000 between now and April.

Sorry, weren't those death counts likely to be substantially overestimated, due to them being based on Delta severity? Silly of them to miss that little detail out! Genuine, honest mistake, I'm sure.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Shit. I didn't realise yesterday that the article where they quoted the dude saying they were probably way off, the archived link was old & didn't actually archive that part.

Here is the quote I copied & pasted into the thread yesterday:

He said any model is "only as good as its assumptions", and that this model assumes that Omicron causes the same severity as Delta.

"If Omicron is indeed associated with less severe disease as is, in my view, likely to be the case then these models would overestimate hospital admissions and deaths, possibly substantially," he said.

And now they've got rid of that quote, spinning it very, very differently:

But infectious diseases expert Prof Paul Hunter said he suspected the most pessimistic scenarios are unlikely - but there will still be "substantial numbers of increased cases, hospital admissions and deaths".

"There is still significant uncertainty over how much less severe Omicron would be in the UK context," he added.

Reads pretty different, huh?

Latest archive here https://archive.md/wdGsw

And archive history for the article https://archive.md/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59621029, I can't see the quote I copied & pasted anywhere....

Thankfully, putting it into Google yields other articles where he is quoted. Eg the Sun:

Plan C fears as 'MPs warned to be on standby for vote on new restrict…

archived 12 Dec 2021 09:46:20 UTC

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Professor Paul Hunter, professor in medicine, University of East Anglia, said any model is "only as good as its assumptions", adding that one key assumption in this model is that severity of disease outcomes for Omicron is the same as for Delta.

"Although we will not know for certain for a few weeks indications from South Africa do suggest that Omicron does cause less severe disease than Delta.

"There is also early as yet not peer reviewed data suggesting that although Omicron mutations are enough to escape antibody, T cell immunity would be less compromised.

"It is thought that T cell immunity is more important for reducing risk from severe disease than it is for reducing the milder nose and throat infections.

"If Omicron is indeed associated with less severe disease as is, in my view, likely to be the case then these models would overestimate hospital admissions and deaths, possibly substantially," he said.

Prof Hunter said he suspects these models "overstate" risk of hospital admissions and deaths and the "worst case" scenarios are "unlikely to be seen".

He added: "As better data becomes available in coming weeks we can expect these models to be refined."

Have some more archives of other articles where he says the same thing:

Daily Mail https://archive.md/Exc4Y
UK Times https://archive.md/QrG4A
Guardian https://archive.md/qm9Nf
Evening Standard https://archive.md/SYdXX

Lesson learned... rearchive as soon as you see it and don't rely on old links, cos those fuckers are duplicitous af.

Still uncaffeinated, so please tell me I'm talking out my arse and missed something!

 

[Overly Serious]

I'll try to crystallize it to the essence: I want to hold on to my sanity. I don't believe there's a viable resistance alternative. I think that government is a bully and I can't fight back because I can't. I think that people who talk the loudest are least likely to do anything, so I don't trust them. I have obeyed and I was able to get what I want.
I know your points guys and I see validity in your points as well. But I'm unable to add anything of value or counter them with anything of value because I feel like I'm not intelligent enough to argue on meritable arguments, therefore, I have nothing to say and therefore I'm stupid and I can't say anything.

Without trying to sound judgemental, I think I can crystallise it down for you further. Your safety and success is more important to you than your freedom.

People usually only struggle to state things simply when they don't want to do so.

Some things require sacrifice. A population that has forgotten that or waits only for others to do so, can be made to do anything.

Still, if you're of the view that you state - that you disagree with it but wont oppose it for reasons of not suffering consequences, you would find some middle ground where you could oppose it with whatever level of comfort and social acceptance you wont risk. E.g. spreading information, trying to persuade the open-minded, donating to those who do, etc. Even if you bow the head in public, doesn't mean you couldn't do something. If you chose.

 

[Considered HARMful]

Poland please come and liberate us in NZ and the Aussies from these WEF cunts.

Sorry, but we're on the way to mandate vax to "selected professions", so basically the same trajectory as everywhere else, just with a bit of a lag. There's no legislation at the moment, but it's rumored to be announced on 15th December and to take effect 1st March 2022.

 

[Cycleye]

Sorry, but we're on the way to mandate vax to "selected professions", so basically the same trajectory as everywhere else, just with a bit of a lag. There's no legislation at the moment, but it's rumored to be announced on 15th December and to take effect 1st March 2022.

All this mandate crap is straight up clownworld. Shit is so severe and end of days the world can wait 3-4 months for mandatory use of masks!
If things were really serious WE would've twigged long ago and people would be shooting each other for masks and gloves and the politicians would be having xmas parties in thier bunkers.
Am over this fucking bullshit. Fat bottom girls....get out on your bikes and ride!

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Shit. I didn't realise yesterday that the article where they quoted the dude saying they were probably way off, the archived link was old & didn't actually archive that part.

Here is the quote I copied & pasted into the thread yesterday:



And now they've got rid of that quote, spinning it very, very differently:



Reads pretty different, huh?

Latest archive here https://archive.md/wdGsw

And archive history for the article https://archive.md/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59621029, I can't see the quote I copied & pasted anywhere....

Thankfully, putting it into Google yields other articles where he is quoted. Eg the Sun:

Plan C fears as 'MPs warned to be on standby for vote on new restrict…

archived 12 Dec 2021 09:46:20 UTC

archive.md

Have some more archives of other articles where he says the same thing:

Daily Mail https://archive.md/Exc4Y
UK Times https://archive.md/QrG4A
Guardian https://archive.md/qm9Nf
Evening Standard https://archive.md/SYdXX

Lesson learned... rearchive as soon as you see it and don't rely on old links, cos those fuckers are duplicitous af.

Still uncaffeinated, so please tell me I'm talking out my arse and missed something!

So when will the priesthood of Science stop being uncertain and unclear about this totally deadly new strain which they're very unsure of how deadly it is? It's been 2 weeks now and every article about it still says the exact same shit. When have people ever been this unsure about something and proudly proclaimed it to the world? Was it the intelligence community and Saddam's WMD stash maybe?

They've played the world for fools so many times they're just flinging shit at a wall at this point. If they can convince you of this, they can convince you of anything. Like if they told you sex with your mother cured the virus, millions of people would start raping their moms and millions more would kill themselves because Republicans and Nazis killed their mom by not having sex with their own mothers.

I want to punch a journalist every fucking time I see a "we don't know but it's gonna be bad" article spreading this FUD garbage. Is this is a cryptic way of all these scientists and journos admitting how goddamn inept and stupid they are by saying they know nothing? It's naked propaganda that even the most shameless of Pravda editors would scoff at. It's unbelievable to watch "respectable" news outlets push this. I thought I'd seen it all with 2020 and the first 11 months of this year, but somehow shit can get even more insane and journalism can sink even lower. It's simply amazing how this scamdemic is playing out these past few weeks. 2022 is going to be a fucking blast, and I don't mean the 1/6 anniversary blast me and this glowing black dude are doing on our Minecraft server, and by "blast" I mean "party fucking hard", so don't you go reporting me to your handlers SIGSEGV.

If things were really serious WE would've twigged long ago and people would be shooting each other for masks and gloves and the politicians would be having xmas parties in thier bunkers.

Yes, that is the normal world where pandemics are not marketed, new strains of a virus are not like new superhero movies, and people aren't told every 10 minutes to take a lifesaving vaccine.

We don't live there anymore, but I'd love to find a way back.

 

[Meriasek]

We don't live there anymore, but I'd love to find a way back.

The way out and the way back are both through the rope.

/edit:

Boosters give 70%-75% protection against mild disease from omicron, UK says

Booster Covid-19 vaccine shots give 70% to 75% protection against mild disease from the new omicron variant, the UK Health Security Agency said on Friday.

www.cnbc.com

Quick everyone! Take the booster, it gives you like 70% protection against mild disease!

 

[Kramer on the phone]

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Meanwhile Ronaldo stays winning:
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i just love rich foreigners; they all act and have the same tastes as middle class americans. maybe its because of american cultural exports but even the dictators had the same tastes as like factory foremen in the states. I know a logger that has near exactly the same posts and picture from a year ago.

The players often run over 10km in a match. Can't think of many sports that isn't specifically a running race where they run that far

thats the only thing i'm thinking of; soccer is all about endurance, its why they play half the games a seasons as basketball or hockey but cover more distance.

It's a perverse version of the trolley problem, where the governments believe how horrible it is to do nothing when grandmas are LITERALLY DYING so they keep slamming the lever "fuck economy" and "sacrifice children" in hopes the trolley will stop running over all the grandmas and morbidly obese diabetics. Because we all have to make some sacrifices since that's better than doing nothing at all.

you notice that the age they care about correlates a lot with the age of the people in power? in countries where its the norm/common for the head of state to be in their 40s they don't give a fuck about the virus for the most part.

@MasterBaiter its been pretty much expected that that is how it will go thanks to ADE, the poster fancied it up with writing but ever since the vax was found out to be RNA people were expecting this conclusion.

Also we're at about the one year mark of vaccination could @Drain Todger or others remind us how many people were supposed to drop dead by the first anniversary of the deadly RNA vaccine, based on past RNA trials?

i'm not saying the antivaxx people here are fucking exceptional and should be forced to get the shot. but if no one can bother giving us the facts people were shouting from the rooftops almost a year ago about the dreaded RNA i'll have to assume this is another /pol/-op the same way September 23rd was.

TL;DR by 2026 either 99% of people are dead from the dreadded RNA vaccine or most of the people in this thread were chicken little and just need to admit they're wrong and need to stay off 4chan.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Covid: First people in UK hospitals with Omicron variant

The variant accounts for a third of infections in London, Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: First people in UK hospitals with Omicron variant - BBC News

archived 12 Dec 2021 11:58:32 UTC

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The first people in the UK are in hospital with Omicron infections, Nadhim Zahawi has said.
The new variant of coronavirus now accounts for a third of cases in London, the education secretary said.

They mention this in the first sentence; the rest is generic covid fearmongering. They never once tell you how many people, nor whether they're in because of covid, or if they're in for something else and just happened to test positive. From the video it's clear he's just raising the idea as "it must be true because there are so many cases" pitch.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

i just love rich foreigners; they all act and have the same tastes as middle class americans. maybe its because of american cultural exports but even the dictators had the same tastes as like factory foremen in the states. I know a logger that has near exactly the same posts and picture from a year ago.

thats the only thing i'm thinking of; soccer is all about endurance, its why they play half the games a seasons as basketball or hockey but cover more distance.

you notice that the age they care about correlates a lot with the age of the people in power? in countries where its the norm/common for the head of state to be in their 40s they don't give a fuck about the virus for the most part.

@MasterBaiter its been pretty much expected that that is how it will go thanks to ADE, the poster fancied it up with writing but ever since the vax was found out to be RNA people were expecting this conclusion.

Also we're at about the one year mark of vaccination could @Drain Todger or others remind us how many people were supposed to drop dead by the first anniversary of the deadly RNA vaccine, based on past RNA trials?

i'm not saying the antivaxx people here are fucking exceptional and should be forced to get the shot. but if no one can bother giving us the facts people were shouting from the rooftops almost a year ago about the dreaded RNA i'll have to assume this is another /pol/-op the same way September 23rd was.

TL;DR by 2026 either 99% of people are dead from the dreadded RNA vaccine or most of the people in this thread were chicken little and just need to admit they're wrong and need to stay off 4chan.

Any thots on the near global rollout of the foundation for CCP-style digital command and control solutions?

 

[Richardface]

i just love rich foreigners; they all act and have the same tastes as middle class americans. maybe its because of american cultural exports but even the dictators had the same tastes as like factory foremen in the states. I know a logger that has near exactly the same posts and picture from a year ago.

thats the only thing i'm thinking of; soccer is all about endurance, its why they play half the games a seasons as basketball or hockey but cover more distance.

you notice that the age they care about correlates a lot with the age of the people in power? in countries where its the norm/common for the head of state to be in their 40s they don't give a fuck about the virus for the most part.

@MasterBaiter its been pretty much expected that that is how it will go thanks to ADE, the poster fancied it up with writing but ever since the vax was found out to be RNA people were expecting this conclusion.

Also we're at about the one year mark of vaccination could @Drain Todger or others remind us how many people were supposed to drop dead by the first anniversary of the deadly RNA vaccine, based on past RNA trials?

i'm not saying the antivaxx people here are fucking exceptional and should be forced to get the shot. but if no one can bother giving us the facts people were shouting from the rooftops almost a year ago about the dreaded RNA i'll have to assume this is another /pol/-op the same way September 23rd was.

TL;DR by 2026 either 99% of people are dead from the dreadded RNA vaccine or most of the people in this thread were chicken little and just need to admit they're wrong and need to stay off 4chan.

You've understood the situation perfectly

 

[tulskij_tochnyj]

Boosters give 70%-75% protection against mild disease from omicron, UK says

Booster Covid-19 vaccine shots give 70% to 75% protection against mild disease from the new omicron variant, the UK Health Security Agency said on Friday.

www.cnbc.com

Quick everyone! Take the booster, it gives you like 70% protection against mild disease!

It's puzzling to me why booster would increase protection against Omegon. Vaccinal antibodies fail to neutralize it, boosting won't increase their neutralizing ability. If anything, through affinity maturation they'll further adjust themselves to Wuhan variant spike. T-cell count will increase, but will return to baseline in a couple of weeks, and they will still carry receptors for outdated epitopes.
Only alternative explanation that I heard is that high concentrations of IgG (which will be recalled after booster) suppress inflammatory response to an antigen. It will look like "protection from the severe disease" (because runaway inflammation is what kills people who have COVID), but it has nothing to do with booster actually working.
Edit: I wrote about severe disease, but same goes for mild one: the symptoms of mild COVID are caused by initial inflammatory response meant to kick-start systemic immune response.