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I have spent a whole hour trying to create a message that is heartfelt and doesn't sound like me being a schizophrenic but it's really impossible. In the kernel of it all, I have made a choice by whatever driving forces guided me to and all the rest is post hoc ergo propter hoc justification.

I'll try to crystallize it to the essence: I want to hold on to my sanity. I don't believe there's a viable resistance alternative. I think that government is a bully and I can't fight back because I can't. I think that people who talk the loudest are least likely to do anything, so I don't trust them. I have obeyed and I was able to get what I want.
I know your points guys and I see validity in your points as well. But I'm unable to add anything of value or counter them with anything of value because I feel like I'm not intelligent enough to argue on meritable arguments, therefore, I have nothing to say and therefore I'm stupid and I can't say anything.

Sometimes I forget that and try to pretend like I know something but then I look back on my messages and feel like a complete idiot.

I hope I make sense.
My justification was similar, the vaccine seems to not be the hill to die on at this point. A true resistance movement needs active and passive support from the population and that just isn't happening right now. Sure, there seems to be a hard core of people who do not want to ever get vaccinated and wouldn't even do it if they get sentenced to prison for it, and I have a lot of respect for them if they're truly this firm in their belief. But the media control is so tight that in the big picture their resistance seems to be meaningless, at least right now.

This will not get better until ADDITIONALLY to the vaccine mandates you would have hyperinflation, food shortages or some other extreme cause of discontent in the general population - to the point where not even the media can convince them that what they see with their own eyes is a lie. As long as normies are allowed to live their lives semi-comfortably they will happily comply and ostracize people who disobey. Forced vaccinations are bullshit but ultimately a very expected development. I realized a long time ago that practically all western governments consist of evil sociopaths who want to see me and my kind suffer. But it'll take a lot of time for normies to realize this, particularly the politically apathetic.

People need to remember that they got forced to take a vaccine they never asked for and that they got systematically lied to for years concerning the effectiveness and safeness of this vaccine. But it will merely plant the seed of doubt in their mind so to speak, and dissidence as the fruit of doubt will come even later. Call me a coward all you want but as of right now the system hasn't produced nearly enough "nothing to lose" types of people that may be dangerous to it in the long run. But maybe it will.
 
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It's puzzling to me why booster would increase protection against Omegon. Vaccinal antibodies fail to neutralize it, boosting won't increase their neutralizing ability. If anything, through affinity maturation they'll further adjust themselves to Wuhan variant spike. T-cell count will increase, but will return to baseline in a couple of weeks, and they will still carry receptors for outdated epitopes.
Only alternative explanation that I heard is that high concentrations of IgG (which will be recalled after booster) suppress inflammatory response to an antigen. It will look like "protection from the severe disease" (because runaway inflammation is what kills people who have COVID), but it has nothing to do with booster actually working.
Especially when Pfizer themselves say they won't have a vaccine ready for Omicron until March. So why is a delta booster mandated for the treatment of Omicron?
 
The way out and the way back are both through the rope.

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Quick everyone! Take the booster, it gives you like 70% protection against mild disease!
I wonder, why I need a protection against a mild disease? First and foremost: I don't have a great chance to catch it to begin with, because I don't mingle with people much (my work is still remote, and I try to limit grocery shopping in a store to minimum, not out of fear, but because I simply hate grocery shopping, it's freaking boring).

But let's say I catch it. Isn't it absolutely normal to get some sniffles in winter? A little bit of a head cold? I thought it's a necessary part of winter experience? (so far I didn't get a cold this cold season, but there are still like 3 months, so it's too early to declare victory)
 
Especially when Pfizer themselves say they won't have a vaccine ready for Omicron until March. So why is a delta booster mandated for the treatment of Omicron?
At the moment they're kinda in between. On the one hand they want boosters because Delta is still the thing, but at the same time they're already hyping up about Omicron and how it'll kill everyone with less than three/four/five shots or whatever.
 
Especially when Pfizer themselves say they won't have a vaccine ready for Omicron until March. So why is a delta booster mandated for the treatment of Omicron?
Big Pharma inflate effectiveness of their concoctions with various Jewish tricks (the most recent example is in the picture), public health officials use these results to make policies. Policies bring more $$$ for the Big Pharma, incentivizing fraudulent behavior. And since PHO's like to present easy solutions (GET DA BOOOSTER sounds better on the news than WE MAY NOT HAVE THE SOLUTION), they'll gladly swallow this bullshit if it sounds pleasing for niggercattle.
For fuck's sake, US Government purchased $1.2B of Molnupiravir before trials were completed. And only later it turned out this pill is 3 times less effective than claimed before (and is mutagenic).
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I've posted a few Askamanager posts here ,

Another similar one is Evil HR Lady






 
Oh look, a literal definition of white privilege is angry the unwashed masses are not listening to elites like him.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...riating-shirking-responsibilities-to-society/

Yes, I should totally be obligated to get an unnecessary medical procedure with possible adverse side effects to stop the child of a nurse I don't know from having a sad.
Based Amish refusing to give into Wuflu tyranny. Also, Amish website? Are you sure those aren't Mennonites?

Don't care. Man Utd sucks. Go Liverpool!
Amish aren't allowed to have websites, but they can pay the English to make them. Mennonites can make their own, as long as they are plain, have black backgrounds, no gifs, and are done in Geocities.
 
I don't know if I should have posted here or in the Australian megathread but I saw that article about some protests in Melbourne.


Australians protested in large numbers across the country on Sunday against COVID-19 vaccine mandates in multiple states, with the turnout for the “Reclaim the Line” protests distinctly prominent in the cities of Sydney and Melbourne.

In Sydney, New South Wales (NSW), thousands of people peacefully gathered at Hyde Park before setting off on a march through the city. As police officers stood and watched, the crowd, children among them, chanted “save the children,” presumably referring to the country’s COVID-19 vaccination program to be extended to all children aged 5–11 starting in January 2022; they won’t be mandated to have the shots.

One video post on the encrypted messaging app Telegram described the scene as involving “oceans of people.” Another video on Telegram showed hundreds upon hundreds of people marching down Elizabeth Street, while a digital sign reads, “Protest March Sydney CBD, expect delays.”

Demonstrators ultimately arrived at Prince Alfred Park in Surry Hills where they joined a rally with music and speeches. At one point, the crowd clapped together loudly, with some yelling “freedom.”

Meanwhile in Brazil some hackers have fun to delete some vaccination records. Could you imagine the surprising Pikachu faces if the same thing happen in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, France, Germany,...?


December 12, 2021
Hackers attack the Brazilian health ministry website, delete all vaccination records
By Andrea Widburg

On Friday, hackers identifying themselves as “Lapsus$Group” took down several systems within Brazil’s health ministry. At this point, it looks like a ransomware attack but the possibility exists that it was, in fact, a way to destroy the government’s collection of vaccine information.

Reuters reported on the story:
Brazil's health ministry said its website was hit on Friday by a hacker attack that took several systems down, including one with information about the national immunization program and another used to issue digital vaccination certificates.

The alleged hackers, calling themselves Lapsus$ Group" posted a message on the website saying that internal data had been copied and deleted. "Contact us if you want the data back," it said, in an apparent ransomware attack.

The message, which included e-mail and Telegram contact info, had been removed by Friday afternoon, but the web page was still down, while user data in the ConectSUS app that provides Brazilians with vaccination certificates had disappeared.

ZDNet offered more detailed information about what was missing:
Websites under Brazil's Ministry of Health (MoH) have suffered a major ransomware attack that resulted in the unavailability of COVID-19 vaccination data of millions of citizens.

Following that attack that took place at around 1 am today, all of MoH's websites including ConecteSUS, which tracks the trajectory of citizens in the public healthcare system, became unavailable. This includes the COVID-19 digital vaccination certificate, which is available via the ConecteSUS app.

It gets worse:

This is not the first major security issue faced by Brazil's Ministry of Health over the last few months. In November 2020, personal and health information of more than 16 million Brazilian COVID-19 patients were leaked online after a hospital employee uploaded a spreadsheet with usernames, passwords, and access keys to sensitive government systems on GitHub.

Less than a week later, another major security incident emerged. The personal information of more than 243 million Brazilians, including alive and deceased, was exposed online after web developers left the password for a crucial government database inside the source code of an official MoH website for at least six months.

Because America doesn’t yet have socialized medicine, all of our health records aren’t consolidated in a single database. However, the press to federalize vaccination and require vaccine passports means that we can be virtually certain that the federal government will set up a universal database with information for all Americans. It will be a honeypot for every foreign government (China? Russia?) to attack, as well as for every hacker to hack. And does anyone really think that the federal government will be anything but inept when it comes to protecting that information? I don’t.

However, Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, who gets a hat tip for this story, had an interesting tweet from someone in New Zealand, suggesting a possible alternative reason for the hack:
 
My justification was similar, the vaccine seems to not be the hill to die on at this point. A true resistance movement needs active and passive support from the population and that just isn't happening right now. Sure, there seems to be a hard core of people who do not want to ever get vaccinated and wouldn't even do it if they get sentenced to prison for it, and I have a lot of respect for them if they're truly this firm in their belief. But the media control is so tight that in the big picture their resistance seems to be meaningless, at least right now.

This will not get better until ADDITIONALLY to the vaccine mandates you would have hyperinflation, food shortages or some other extreme cause of discontent in the general population - to the point where not even the media can convince them that what they see with their own eyes is a lie. As long as normies are allowed to live their lives semi-comfortably they will happily comply and ostracize people who disobey. Forced vaccinations are bullshit but ultimately a very expected development. I realized a long time ago that practically all western governments consist of evil sociopaths who want to see me and my kind suffer. But it'll take a lot of time for normies to realize this, particularly the politically apathetic.

People need to remember that they got forced to take a vaccine they never asked for and that they got systematically lied to for years concerning the effectiveness and safeness of this vaccine. But it will merely plant the seed of doubt in their mind so to speak, and dissidence as the fruit of doubt will come even later. Call me a coward all you want but as of right now the system hasn't produced nearly enough "nothing to lose" types of people that may be dangerous to it in the long run. But maybe it will.
In a few weeks hundreds of thousands of double and triple jabbed people will be throwing positive PCR's for Omicron. Of course they'll have their excuses lined up but it'll be obvious to a blind chimp that the vaccines have utterly failed.

It's puzzling to me why booster would increase protection against Omegon. Vaccinal antibodies fail to neutralize it, boosting won't increase their neutralizing ability. If anything, through affinity maturation they'll further adjust themselves to Wuhan variant spike. T-cell count will increase, but will return to baseline in a couple of weeks, and they will still carry receptors for outdated epitopes.
Only alternative explanation that I heard is that high concentrations of IgG (which will be recalled after booster) suppress inflammatory response to an antigen. It will look like "protection from the severe disease" (because runaway inflammation is what kills people who have COVID), but it has nothing to do with booster actually working.
Edit: I wrote about severe disease, but same goes for mild one: the symptoms of mild COVID are caused by initial inflammatory response meant to kick-start systemic immune response.
The 'evidence' that the boosters offer protection against Omicron is based on one study performed by Pfizer where they took plasma blood samples one month after booster dose administration and exposed them to a pseudovirus that they claim mimics Omicron Covid. The study supposedly showed the antibodies neutralizing the fake virus. TLDR Pfizer didn't use actual Omicron Covid in their experiment because they knew the result wouldn't support the narrative. Following on from this governments around the world and their media lackeys have been trumpeting that the boosters work to stop Omicron transmission, not hospitalisation, transmission. Which is quite the claim as we know that the vaccines don't stop Delta transmission.


Week 49 UK Covid-19 vaccine surveillance report

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The same trends that have been apparent for months, double vaxxed either at similar or increased risk of infection.

So that leaves protection against severe disease as the ONLY protection from the vaccines. But how real is that? Let's take a deeper delve into the numbers

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These are the population wide case rates for Covid in the 4 week reporting period. I 'll discuss the second column the 'unlinked' cases. I'll focus on the >80 age group as that's where most of the deaths occur.

Unlinked cases are people who've tested positive for Covid-19 but who they can't confirm vaccination status as they don't have their NHS numbers, the equivalent of social security numbers in the US and Medicare numbers in Australia.

Now notice something odd about the table, there are a LOT of unlinked cases, particularly in the 60+ age group, In fact there are more unlinked cases in this group than unvaccinated cases!

OK, maybe the UK just has really shitty record keeping or these are really old illegal immigrants. So let's take a look at the hospitalisation and death rates for the really old undocumented Covid cases in the UK.

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For 80+ unvaccinated people the hospitalisation rate is 36%, vaccinated (mostly triple jabbed) 16.5%, so the vaccines reduce the hospitalisation rate by 50%. OK not exactly the 90% reduction the media are claiming but still not bad.
But take a look at the unlinked cases, a hospitalisation rate of 0.5%. No you're not seeing things, not disclosing your NHS number when you test positive for Covid 19 means you're 32 times less likely to end up in hospital than if you've been triple jabbed.
That's um remarkable.

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Here are the mortality numbers. The unvaxxed 80+ in the UK have a 34% chance of dying if they catch Covid, the triple jabbed 80+ run a 19% chance of dying, again around a 50% reduction. But the unlinked have a 2% chance of dying!

So what's going on here? Clearly not disclosing your NHS number isn't giving British geezers some magical protection against the coof. So are they using the 'unlinked' to shift mild unvaxxed cases into another column to make the vaccines look better? I think that's the only plausible explanation.

So just for shits and giggles lets take the unlinked numbers and add them on to the unvaxxed numbers and compare them to the vaccinated.

1178 unvaxxed compared to 6571 vaxxed cases. Plausible? Sure we know that the vaccines provide a very short term (a couple of months) reduction in transmissability. The booster doses are having their effect.

211 hospitalisations versus 1073 for the vaxxed. A hospitalisation rate of 18% versus 16.5%. Remember a huge proportion of the over 80 demographic are in nursing homes and have treatment limitations preventing hospital admissions.

Finally a mortality rate of 19.5% versus 19% for the vaxxed, all but identical. Coincidence?

Being immune is like being pregnant you either are or you're not. The vaccines aren't actually vaccines, they're short acting antibody therapies that provide a brief window of protection from infection and viral replication while circulating neutralising antibodies are above the seroconversion titre. But once they drop below the virus does it's thing and the disease profile is identical.

Just to hammer the point home here are the latest numbers from my neck of the woods.

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Mass vaccinations were mandated in late October

We've been averaging about 1000 cases per day with 5-10 deaths.

2 months ago we were averaging 1200 cases a day and 5-10 deaths.

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Everything the government and media tells us about the vaccines is a lie.
 
My justification was similar, the vaccine seems to not be the hill to die on at this point. A true resistance movement needs active and passive support from the population and that just isn't happening right now. Sure, there seems to be a hard core of people who do not want to ever get vaccinated and wouldn't even do it if they get sentenced to prison for it, and I have a lot of respect for them if they're truly this firm in their belief. But the media control is so tight that in the big picture their resistance seems to be meaningless, at least right now.

This will not get better until ADDITIONALLY to the vaccine mandates you would have hyperinflation, food shortages or some other extreme cause of discontent in the general population - to the point where not even the media can convince them that what they see with their own eyes is a lie. As long as normies are allowed to live their lives semi-comfortably they will happily comply and ostracize people who disobey. Forced vaccinations are bullshit but ultimately a very expected development. I realized a long time ago that practically all western governments consist of evil sociopaths who want to see me and my kind suffer. But it'll take a lot of time for normies to realize this, particularly the politically apathetic.

People need to remember that they got forced to take a vaccine they never asked for and that they got systematically lied to for years concerning the effectiveness and safeness of this vaccine. But it will merely plant the seed of doubt in their mind so to speak, and dissidence as the fruit of doubt will come even later. Call me a coward all you want but as of right now the system hasn't produced nearly enough "nothing to lose" types of people that may be dangerous to it in the long run. But maybe it will.
For me it was essentially about buying time to plan for the future. As I said many times in this thread, I have a strong suspicion that this sudden demand for strict control of the population has its source in catastrophic state of the Western countries economies. I am not sure if it's only the massive Ponzi scheme that is our financial system, or it's something more severe like peak cheap oil.

There are some signs that it might be the latter, and the entire COVID plan is to deal with the coming scarcity. In any case, I believe all these attempts at total control will fall apart, because TPTB overestimate their abilities. So I decided to buy some time in a hope, that after couple of months it will become more clear where it's heading. Here is the funny part: even if you decide that I chose money over my freedom, if we are heading into another depression it could turn out that this choice was not really available. This is the dilemma that TPTB have: they can't force people to obey if there is no carrot and only sticks. They don't have enough sticks. Right now, some people comply because they think they have too much to lose. What if they have nothing to lose? I don't think the vision of technofascists delivering meager rations of bug paste only to those with vax pass has any probability. They don't have enough man-power to stop people from stealing food, destroying pass checking machines and taking down entire system once there is no "good life" possible.

So far it looks like it's heading into more absurd version of the Clown World, because we have a mild variant spreading, but somehow the restrictions get more severe and even "based" Eastern Europe wants to impose vaccine mandates.
The cognitive dissonance in normies must be getting stronger and stronger. But they still have something to lose...
 
Being forced to present QR codes to enter certain spaces is a hill to die on. If it isn't, then nothing is.
We've had QR code check ins for over a year and I've happily ignored them. I've been to a few places which reported Covid cases while I was there and as I didn't bother scanning the code I was never contacted to spend 2 weeks locked up in my house. There's only upside from ignoring the rules. In the next few weeks I expect there will be tens of thousands of Omicron cases being reported daily and all those triple vaxxed boomers who grab their phones to scan the code will be under house arrest because they may have been exposed to a literal cold bug. Good, serves them right.
 
The lolcows of the Daily Stormer posted what's the lolcows of the WaPo didn't posted by claiming then one director of the WaPo died from vaccine-chan.

Btw, his video about Trump officials he did in 2018, had suddenly aged badly...

This Jew’s father is still alive at 96, presumably because he hasn’t gotten the vax himself.

Free West Media:

Washington Post editor Fred Hiatt suffered “sudden cardiac arrest on November 24” and did not regain consciousness. Hiatt was a recipient of the jab after his employer imposed a vaccine mandate in July to “help safeguard the health and safety” of the newspaper’s staff.
The dramatic upswing in heart failure has been linked to vaccination.
Hiatt was directly involved in spreading false news, including the Russiagate hoax and lies to justify the attack on Syria. He published “at least” 27 editorials pushing for war in the six months preceding the invasion of Iraq, according to PBS’s Bill Moyers.
Lately, Hiatt had excelled in publishing editorials advocating forced vaccines, Big Tech censorship, hate speech laws, mass immigration, gun control, transgenderism and Critical Race Theory (CRT).

He had also relentlessly attacked Florida governor Ron De Santis for not imposing vaccine mandates, accusing him of “jaw-dropping cynicism”.
He can go ahead and accuse me of jaw-dropping cynicism for laughing at his death.

Except he can’t.

Because he’s dead.

XD​

 
Funny change in messaging from the nytimes. This is from the editorial board lmao

"Even as we remain vigilant against the coronavirus, we need not remain in a state of paralyzing hyper vigilance. Returning to the sound basics of public health, continuing the progress of medical innovation and ratcheting back the societal anxiety around the pandemic could make us all a lot healthier."

 
Funny change in messaging from the nytimes. This is from the editorial board lmao

"Even as we remain vigilant against the coronavirus, we need not remain in a state of paralyzing hyper vigilance. Returning to the sound basics of public health, continuing the progress of medical innovation and ratcheting back the societal anxiety around the pandemic could make us all a lot healthier."

The thing is, if they just stopped mass-testing of asymptomatic people, and stopped assuming everyone has it, and stopped treating "had a positive coof test within 28 days of dropping dead" and stopped treating infections caught in hospitals as community cases, then it would nigh-on vanish, pretty much overnight.

"Cases" are the whipping stick of choice in all of this. "Cases" mean nothing.
 
I understand but the question is

"you obey and then what?"

people dont ask themselves enough "and then what?"

You obey and the end never comes, then what? You take the vaccination 3-4 times and you are fully vaxxed, awes-oh wait, they changed it so now its 5 times. Now what? Take it again and just simply hope they wont demand for more?

You comply...but

And
then
what?
This was exactly the question that got my father thinking, and helped sway him. Short term gain for long term pain, or something to that effect. And funny enough it's all come true, 'and just another booster', and 'just another booster every five months/every three months'.

The thing is, if they just stopped mass-testing of asymptomatic people, and stopped assuming everyone has it, and stopped treating "had a positive coof test within 28 days of dropping dead" and stopped treating infections caught in hospitals as community cases, then it would nigh-on vanish, pretty much overnight.

"Cases" are the whipping stick of choice in all of this. "Cases" mean nothing.

I am absolutely certain that is what happened in a state in Australia recently. They dropped the PCR cycles, and hey presto no cases. Now this 'new' excuse, oops sorry, variant emerges and suddenly we're gaining cases like no ones business, which says that they dialed the PCR cycles back up to 45. All in time for a Christmas lockdown, blamed on the unjabbed, even though the unjabbed haven't been allowed into the places that are now being called superspreader locations.
 
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Being forced to present QR codes to enter certain spaces is a hill to die on. If it isn't, then nothing is.
Read the rest of the post, even if we'd agree that it should be the hill to die on it just seems to not be strategically reasonable to do so. It's not even the worst thing the government ever did and I'm frankly surprised that there's so many people who only seem to care about the vaccines and nothing else. If I'm truly honest I'd probably take the tard juice every 3 months if in turn the government finally deports criminal "asylum seekers" leeching off the social system since 2015 with multiple identities (and shuts up about Corona once and for all).

For me it was essentially about buying time to plan for the future. As I said many times in this thread, I have a strong suspicion that this sudden demand for strict control of the population has its source in catastrophic state of the Western countries economies. I am not sure if it's only the massive Ponzi scheme that is our financial system, or it's something more severe like peak cheap oil.

There are some signs that it might be the latter, and the entire COVID plan is to deal with the coming scarcity. In any case, I believe all these attempts at total control will fall apart, because TPTB overestimate their abilities. So I decided to buy some time in a hope, that after couple of months it will become more clear where it's heading. Here is the funny part: even if you decide that I chose money over my freedom, if we are heading into another depression it could turn out that this choice was not really available. This is the dilemma that TPTB have: they can't force people to obey if there is no carrot and only sticks. They don't have enough sticks. Right now, some people comply because they think they have too much to lose. What if they have nothing to lose? I don't think the vision of technofascists delivering meager rations of bug paste only to those with vax pass has any probability. They don't have enough man-power to stop people from stealing food, destroying pass checking machines and taking down entire system once there is no "good life" possible.

So far it looks like it's heading into more absurd version of the Clown World, because we have a mild variant spreading, but somehow the restrictions get more severe and even "based" Eastern Europe wants to impose vaccine mandates.
The cognitive dissonance in normies must be getting stronger and stronger. But they still have something to lose...

The "good ending" would be that omicron is used by governments to peter out Covid measures in a way that saves face. We still don't have a single confirmed omicron death in the whole world, and for all I care they can chalk that up to the vaccines working, but it could mean we're heading towards normalcy in 2022 as Covid becomes endemic.

This is of course highly optimistic and depends on the assumption that the whole mass hysteria is mostly due to governments doubling down on measures and media doubling down on propaganda because they don't want to concede that the vaccines aren't as great as they thought, masks are mostly useless and Covid isn't that deadly in the first place. If we're indeed dealing with a coordinated effort to control the population (maybe to prepare for an economic collapse or to normalize the concept of "climate lockdowns") then things look more bleak.
 

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This 2009 study, this is what you are looking for.

Appears that auto-immune disorders occur by overexposure to a target antigen (ie. Spike protein) in individuals who's immune systems would otherwise function without issue (copied from someone's comment elsewhere).

Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

“Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality.”

 

Fully vaccinated people in England who are close contacts of Covid cases will be told to take daily lateral flow tests for seven days from Tuesday.

But people will not need to isolate if the tests remain negative and they have had at least two vaccine doses.

Anyone who has a positive result from a rapid test should take a confirmatory PCR test to verify the result, as well as continue to self-isolate.

I heard on the radio from the National and Local Covid experts (Health leaders and a GP respectively) that they expect a fourth wave in mid-january.
 
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