🐱 'Cowboy Bebop' Netflix cancelation could doom future anime adaptations - Good

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It wasn’t for a lack of trying.

On Thursday, Netflix announced the cancellation of its expensive and ambitious series Cowboy Bebop, a live action adaptation of the influential Japanese anime. As The Hollywood Reporterobserved, the ax fell just three weeks after the show premiered.

The relentless promotion by Netflix leading up to its premiere, only for its swift cancellation weeks later, raises an exhausting question: What was all this for?

Netflix is in a perpetual and desperate search for original productions to beef up its content catalogue. Unlike streamers that rely on an existing library, like Paramount+ or WarnerMedia, Netflix is limber enough to license, adapt, and acquire. And because it’s more financially sound to adapt IP with an existing audience than try something new (at least if you ignore successful gambles like Stranger Things and Squid Game), Netflix found its way to Cowboy Bebop, an anime beloved in part because of how contained it was as a 26-episode serial rather than an absurd 900 chapter saga.

But Netflix opened a lot of wounds in pop culture fandom. Anime fans are fatigued at limp adaptations of Japanese anime by Hollywood producers, because for decades American creatives have demonstrated a woeful misunderstanding of the cultural themes that make these stories special. Ungainly attempts at an American remake of the 1988 sci-fi classic Akira have tried to set the story in New York City, despite Akira fundamentally being about Japan’s 20th century existential crisis, as evidenced by its depictions of civil unrest, rampant bōsōzoku gangs, and predominant nuclear imagery.

Although most Hollywood adaptations of anime often exhibit laborious visual devotion to these stories — as in the Scarlett Johansson-led Ghost in the Shell from 2017, which contained several shot-for-shot mimicries of the 1995 anime film — these still fail to adapt to a new medium. Cowboy Bebop is both the best and most recent example. In spite of the show’s obvious efforts to be the anime, the actual filmmaking failed to be as lively, energetic, and rhythmic as it is in animation. It was like watching a faded photocopy.

Casting further divided fandom. In the lead role of bounty hunter Spike Spiegel was John Cho, the Korean-American actor whose success in Hollywood has come to represent something bigger than himself. There was also Mustafa Shakir, whose Bushmaster in Luke Cage was a revelation, as pilot Jet Black, and Daniella Pineda, an exciting new talent whose Faye Valentine called for spunk and sultriness.

Though recognized by the mainstream for his work in the raunchy Harold & Kumar films and the reboot Star Trek trilogy, Cho has been unable to crack Hollywood’s bamboo ceiling. He hasn’t become a proper Hollywood star, despite all his qualifications as a leading male actor. But Cho’s involvement in the Netflix series felt subversive. Because most anime adaptations cast white actors as its leads, Cho’s role as Spike — whose race is unspecified in the anime — felt declarative of something resembling a point. And for Cho, the series was shaping up to be the vehicle to finally take Cho to the stars.

But could it actually? There’s a semi-recent phenomenon in cultural commentary known as “representation sweats.” Now that acknowledging identity has become part of still systemically-white movies and TV shows, audiences of color “sweat” over projects featuring ethnic minorities, especially whether these projects are actually worth attention. Because of the supply-and-demand machinations that run Hollywood, there’s always a fear that projects like Cowboy Bebop will “fail” and end the potential of other diverse casts. If it looks like there’s no demand, Hollywood will scuttle the supply.

With its diverse ensemble led by the appealing John Cho, Bebop epitomized representation sweats. Because of its high profile as an adaptation of a classic on a major streamer, its performance on Netflix’s platform can and will determine if more projects like it are made. It’s all the more maddening that Netflix refuses to disclose anything about its viewing numbers, so decisions to renew or cancel shows is purely open to speculation.

As of now, Cowboy Bebop’s worth to Netflix is clear. Netflix is still interested in anime (it’s got a live adaptation of One Piece in development), and it doesn’t seem like anyone’s career has ended overnight. Certainly not John Cho’s, as he has more work in varying stages of production. Folks can sweat a little less about that. But for all this tireless discourse, from the futility of American anime adaptations to the “rep sweats” its cast presented, what was the point of all this if Netflix wasn’t committed to it?

In my review, I wrote that Cowboy Bebop was a dud that didn’t capture the same spirit as its more compelling source material. But I still rooted for it. I want the people behind it to have the space and resources to try again. Cowboy Bebop had an enviably charismatic ensemble who only needed better material to work with. That the second season promised to venture into new territory the anime didn’t seemed promising. The show could stand on its own rather than dwell in the shadows of something better.

If there’s one drawback to the streaming age, it’s impatience. Streamers want new shows to come out with late-era Game of Thrones buzz, which fails to recognize that it took years for Game of Thrones to achieve a high profile. This isn’t to say Cowboy Bebop deserved eight seasons, but it’s not unheard of for television shows to reiterate and retool over time. Netflix didn’t get Cowboy Bebop right on their first take, but imagine if they had the time, space, and money to try for a second. But with the baggage of anime adaptations and the costly risk to diverse representation in the marketplace, is it even worth continuing to try in the first place?

Cowboy Bebop is streaming now on Netflix.
 
Think Amazon Stargate will happen?
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Also let me bitch about Stargate for a second. Or maybe I'm bitching about Hulu. Either way I've become my father, who used to say something along the lines of: "The whole point of buying cable when it came out was that it was a paid service and I wouldn't have to deal with commercials. And now there are commercials everywhere and I hate it."

So I got Hulu for the SOLE PURPOSE of watching Stargate Atlantis (because I have just watched Season 8, Episode 2 of Stargate SG-1 and therefore have to now begin alternating between shows if I want the top-tier disco shit experience - cool whatever I'm fine with that) so I sit down the other night to start my new show and four and a half minutes into the first episode of SG: Atlantis the show cuts out and there's a fucking commercial. The whole point of buying a streaming service when they were introduced was that it was a paid service and I wouldn't have to deal with commercials. And now there are commercials everywhere and I hate it. These fucking paid-services have more commercials than broadcast television.

So anyway I'm pirating the entire series and burning it onto DVDs and making cute little DVD cases for each season and it is fun and enriching and fuck Hulu.

What the fuck was this thread about again? Oh... wow I'm way out in the weeds here. :bork:
 
In other news, live action Yu Yu Hakusho's still on for 2023.

Taking bets on whether or not Kurama's black and Hiei's gay for him.

It's a really good opportunity to create an Asian cast. But since this is Netflix and Currant Year there has to be enough tokenism for everyone. They'll hire another obnoxious and untalented fanfic writer and then they'll miscast the cast. Rude comments to anime fans. Then it gets cancelled.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
 
Hollywood progs think ching chong all look the same. They don't care that they hired a Korean-American gyopo to play a Jap created jew named character. I guarantee the conversation went, "Well we can't tape *insert jew actor*'s eyes up, we need a real oriental. Say, Hershel, what's the name of that asian actor? John Woo... Choo... Boo? Cho? JOHN CHO. Call him up. Koreans are our favorite asians atm. He's a genuine oriental with progressive values, book him in."

That's why none of their lousy shows are watchable. They don't care if it's watchable, they just want to to run a progressive train on all exisiting media so normal people have nothing untouched.
I wasn't even really referring to that, I was more going with the fact that Cho is twice the age of the character he's supposed to be playing, and he's not athletic at all. He doesn't move like a fighter at all, the fight scenes I saw him in were just plain bad. The race shits a far secondary concern when the dude can't do fluid motion to save his life. The fight scenes in the anime were one of its strong points, in the live action they're just painful to watch. He's a terrible fit on multiple levels. Fuck Jackie chan would have been a better choice despite being elderly, at least he could have done a better job on the fight scenes.
 
Live-action remakes of animated works are just fucking retarded anyway. The same goes for movies or series based on video games. I've never seen a single one that was worth a damn.
I believe it was Haruhi who said, "Moe doesn't work in real life". Granted, Bebop isn't "moe" but the sentiment is essentially the same for all animu in general. Anime/manga simply does not translate well into the grounded world we exist in. Gravity kills anime hairstyles, the human skeleton cannot support big milkers with gainax bouncing, and most "plots" are audience-insulting exposition factories.
 
Live-action remakes of animated works are just fucking retarded anyway. The same goes for movies or series based on video games. I've never seen a single one that was worth a damn.

I'm one of those people that liked the Mario Bros. movie. But it's just so weird and out of concept that it managed to appeal to a few people that way. But in general this sort of thing does not work. Maybe an animation. But you can't trust Netflix with that either. Better let Japan handle it.
 
The anime Faye is Singaporean and this actress is not. It's sad Asians are erased YET AGAIN from western media.
Its always the Asians and the gingers that get the axe...
I believe it was Haruhi who said, "Moe doesn't work in real life". Granted, Bebop isn't "moe" but the sentiment is essentially the same for all animu in general. Anime/manga simply does not translate well into the grounded world we exist in. Gravity kills anime hairstyles, the human skeleton cannot support big milkers with gainax bouncing, and most "plots" are audience-insulting exposition factories.
All you need is the thumbnail on the YT video of Radical Edward's introduction to know this show was doomed from the start. Not a single 18 karat run of bad luck in sight.
 
If Netflix is canceling live action anime adaptations, when do you suppose they'll just cancel anime production outright?

The biggest obstacle to live-action (LA) anime is that, by virtue of its endemic stylistic freedom, animation can (and VERY often does) go "off model". This is something shows like Steven Universe have been criticized over as being lazy, but it's really baked into the medium, going back to the earliest Steamboat Willie-era shorts. It's actually what makes animation endearing and successful that can't be replicated in LA.

Anime takes this and frequently dials it up to 11, sometimes 12. Especially in scenes where characters are in wild and otherwise impossible motion. The best candidates for LA adaptations are shows and movies that, due to their narrative, stay relatively grounded and realistic, like Akira, GitS, and a lot of Ghibli's catalog. I know people like to cite Speed Racer as a credible example, but c'mon, Speed's signature jump out of the Mach 5 after winning a race looks pretty ridiculous in the 2008 film. The rest is just a razzle-dazzle of colorful CGI that lends very little to the expressions and motion of the characters themselves. And I say this as someone who actually liked the movie.

The only way to overcome this extremely crippling limitation of LA is, IMO, to go The Mask route, but it would need to be refined in such a way as to make you THINK it blends seamlessly with the true LA segments. The tech is probably already here, but it would need to pivot away from stuff like space battles, dinosaur romps, and dystopian tragedies to, well, something else entirely.

To those people tasked with adapting something like One Piece, Naruto, or Evangelion, all I can say is good goddamn luck.
The difference with stuff like animation in the 1930s and 1940s is that those were just the art styles of the directors and animators on full display (Disney and the Looney Tunes in particular displayed this and shows it can work). Steven Universe's "Off Model" was born from laziness.
 
If Netflix is canceling live action anime adaptations, when do you suppose they'll just cancel anime production outright?


The difference with stuff like animation in the 1930s and 1940s is that those were just the art styles of the directors and animators on full display (Disney and the Looney Tunes in particular displayed this and shows it can work). Steven Universe's "Off Model" was born from laziness.
Perhaps, but as someone who isn't SU's target audience, I wouldn't make the assertion that the off-modeling is because of laziness versus a purposeful stylistic choice. I recall that a lot of the in-between work is farmed out, so you might have a case (the original Macross series had this problem in spades in the early episodes and it really, REALLY shows). However, SU's demographic is mostly young girls and they seem to find it insanely cute when Steven makes a nightmare fuel-inspired face or when any of the crystal gems spawn additional appendages.

Is Netflix bankrolling actual anime, too, along with the LA adaptations of select existing shows? If so, the apocalypse might be nigh.
 
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The good news is that Bollywood musicals are still on the table.

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The biggest obstacle to live-action (LA) anime is that, by virtue of it's endemic stylistic freedom, animation can (and VERY often does) go "off model". This is something shows like Steven Universe have been criticized over as being lazy, but it's really baked into the medium, going back to the earliest Steamboat Willie-era shorts. It's actually what makes animation endearing and successful that can't be replicated in LA.
Actually, at least part of the steven universe animation isn't that they went off model for any major purpose, they just went off model because there were no references they actually used. When they wanted to, they could show very good detail, like with whenever steven played the ukulele, but having characters size drift wildly back and forth at the same time. I even remember there's two episodes where steven is working on the kitchen counter, one standing normally, the other on a stool. Even then, criticism only spiked when the storyboarders were mismatched and characters had significant model changes mid-episode.

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On it's own, it's whatever, but when characters relative heights were a plot point - in two seperate episodes, no less - it becomes a bit ridiculous. Going off model for artistic reasons is one thing. Going off model because you're too lazy to care is another, and SU was firmly in the latter camp.
 
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