US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Stoneheart]

I’ll let folks more knowledgeable answer that. I don’t feel like reading through mounds of propaganda to find stats that are surely twisted in one way or another. Wasn’t “Infrastructure” and “BBB” one and the same until they were split? Then piece by piece the Dems have had to give up parts of “BBB” in hopes of getting it through the Senate? Like I said, something called “BBB” is going to pass and it’ll be lauded as the greatest victory since Johnson’s Great Society legislation, but it’ll only be half of what they wanted to pass or even less. Still plenty of pork to go around, though.

I dont see it passing right now, they will not find a majority as long as they keep the massiv Salt Taxcut for coastal elites in the bill and they cant take it out because they have debts to pay.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

I dont see it passing right now, they will not find a majority as long as they keep the massiv Salt Taxcut for coastal elites in the bill and they cant take it out because they have debts to pay.

Republicans don't even need to vote apparently. The only thing stopping this right now is just Manchin and Sinema.

All they have to do is get those two on board which I don't think is impossible. After reading up I tend to agree it'll pass but after Manchin makes them trim it down. Or Manchin could cuck after his "talk" with Biden today and go all in.

 

[Gehenna]

Republicans don't even need to vote apparently. The only thing stopping this right now is just Manchin and Sinema.

All they have to do is get those two on board which I don't think is impossible. After reading up I tend to agree it'll pass but after Manchin makes them trim it down. Or Manchin could cuck after his "talk" with Biden today and go all in.

Manchin's been having talks with Biden for a while, and so far all has failed. It's going to either get cut down to insignificance or just not pass. I am not entirely on board with its inevitability, simply because it has too many mutually exclusive interests.

 

[XYZpdq]

So is the current wrangling to get the bill revised in a way that gets more votes, or trying to bring more votes to the current form? Or "reply hazy ask later?"

 

[Gehenna]

So is the current wrangling to get the bill revised in a way that gets more votes, or trying to bring more votes to the current form? Or "reply hazy ask later?"

Revised in a way they hope will bring Manchin and Sinema on board, while also not resulting in anybody peeling off.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

So is the current wrangling to get the bill revised in a way that gets more votes, or trying to bring more votes to the current form? Or "reply hazy ask later?"

They need Manchin on board to pass it as it is but that isn't necessarily likely and he seems to be in agreement with Lindsey Graham. If they can't get Manchin then it will be trimmed down and negotiated again. If it still doesn't pass then it dies on the vine.

Democrats need to have it pass by Christmas so that any benefit from it will be felt by the public. They're running out of time. So everything is pretty much up to Manchin it seems.

 

[XYZpdq]

Revised in a way they hope will bring Manchin and Sinema on board, while also not resulting in anybody peeling off.

So then that means the House would then have to get onboard the revised version, right?

 

[Gehenna]

Democrats need to have it pass by Christmas so that any benefit from it will be felt by the public.

Too late for that. Most bills have about a year before their effects are already felt. Even assuming there is something substantially good left in it, it won't be felt until after the 2022 midterms.

 

[Kane Lives]

Revised in a way they hope will bring Manchin and Sinema on board, while also not resulting in anybody peeling off.

Actually a related question. Who else would actually would peel off the DNC in the Senate? So far both side of the aisle have been very good at keeping their members voting with the party lines (Sinema and Manchin excepted of course). I'm curious if there's a list of "possible defectors" that they need to keep an eye on in this case.

 

[Gehenna]

So then that means the House would then have to get onboard the revised version, right?

Correct, any changes to it would need to be reconciled in the house.

Actually a related question. Who else would actually would peel off the DNC in the Senate? So far both side of the aisle have been very good at keeping their members voting with the party lines (Sinema and Manchin excepted of course). I'm curious if there's a list of "possible defectors" that they need to keep an eye on in this case.

In the Senate, basically only Manchin/Sinema and their small but quiet faction members. Republicans are voting in lockstep as the RINOs already got theirs and have no incentive to split. I would say Sanders as an option, but he is entirely controlled so no.

In the House, the Prog vote is the big problem and they have been getting... uppity.

 

[Collections Agent]

-If- Trump wins and ushers in his growing wave of Trumpian Populism. I could see the GOP finally playing hardball. I still think MirrorNoir is being a little -too- optimistic, but that is the time they'd start.

Trump's purely popular because he stands behind what he says and ran on getting common sense shit done and disregard the media shitting on him while he did it.

If Trump is the new face of the Republican party it can only mean good things purely out of the fact it'll force them to grow a pair and actually start to stand by their words.

 

[Oats12345]

Republicans don't even need to vote apparently. The only thing stopping this right now is just Manchin and Sinema.

All they have to do is get those two on board which I don't think is impossible. After reading up I tend to agree it'll pass but after Manchin makes them trim it down. Or Manchin could cuck after his "talk" with Biden today and go all in.

Manchin's been having talks with Biden for a while, and so far all has failed. It's going to either get cut down to insignificance or just not pass. I am not entirely on board with its inevitability, simply because it has too many mutually exclusive interests.

Manchin can't agree to it with out some peeling to it. If he wants to run for Governor of West Virginia in the future. Than he wouldn't vote on the radical stuff because if he did. He would kiss his chances in west Virginia politics goodbye

 

[Garm]

I’ll let folks more knowledgeable answer that. I don’t feel like reading through mounds of propaganda to find stats that are surely twisted in one way or another. Wasn’t “Infrastructure” and “BBB” one and the same until they were split? Then piece by piece the Dems have had to give up parts of “BBB” in hopes of getting it through the Senate? Like I said, something called “BBB” is going to pass and it’ll be lauded as the greatest victory since Johnson’s Great Society legislation, but it’ll only be half of what they wanted to pass or even less. Still plenty of pork to go around, though.

They were split for the "dual rail" approach. I remember Biden stating he wouldn't sign one without the other.

I'm only half remembering this so I can't remember what the reason was for the dual approach. Part of me says "bipartisan" was the driving motive but I'm not completely sure.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Yeah, the one thing I don't get is everyone getting salty over Tucker being some big neocon huckster shill--does it matter if he's a phony
if he's saying true and edgy things TPTB don't want discussed? If he's redpilling normies to an extent? He may not be doing the reddest of pills, may not be telling the "full real truth" about the Jews or whatever, but it's better than him spewing Dem talking points or whatever.

What do you want him to say?

He should obviously be roaming the streets of DC with a baseball bat, intimidating congressmen into investigating the USS Liberty.

 

[XYZpdq]

Correct, any changes to it would need to be reconciled in the house.


In the Senate, basically only Manchin/Sinema and their small but quiet faction members. Republicans are voting in lockstep as the RINOs already got theirs and have no incentive to split. I would say Sanders as an option, but he is entirely controlled so no.

In the House, the Prog vote is the big problem and they have been getting... uppity.

And is the reconcilation done by a committee or the full house?

 

[Gehenna]

And is the reconcilation done by a committee or the full house?

I think I'll save us both some time and link this:

Budget Reconciliation: The Basics

Discover the specific conditions, limitations, and processes for the budget reconciliation process.

budget.house.gov

In short, voted on by full senate, cannot be filibustered, but also is very, very limited and they keep having things they need to add to it stripped out.

 

[Compositesludge]

They were split for the "dual rail" approach. I remember Biden stating he wouldn't sign one without the other.

I'm only half remembering this so I can't remember what the reason was for the dual approach. Part of me says "bipartisan" was the driving motive but I'm not completely sure.

From what I remember, that's pretty much it, yeah. The dual approach was meant to be a concession to progressives who wanted everything in the infrastructure bill and BBB to be in the same bill, the original idea being that both of them would be voted on simultaneously. The infrastructure bill would be the concession to get bipartisan support from the Republicans, and BBB would be the reconciliation bill which had everything the progressives wanted. (That's a line I remember pretty well - "$3.5 trillion is already the compromise!")

What it's mostly done has, far from empowering progressives and highlighting their place within the Biden administration, shown that they'll never be anything more than a fringe of the Democrats. It was decoupled from the infrastructure bill because it made moderates upset. It was cut down from $3.5 trillion because that amount was obscene, and even the $1.7 trillion it turned into still seems unlikely to pass. At this point, it's little more than an albatross around the neck of the progressives, something the rest of the Democrats can point to and laugh when they feel like it, and a reminder that we shouldn't get too distracted by what folks like Representative Tlaib are up to. At the end of the day, they will be trusted to do little more than performatively weep and change their vote on legislation if the Democrats demand it.

tl;dr: It was originally for bipartisan reasons, and now functions as the breaking wheel of the progressive movement.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I think I'll save us both some time and link this:

Budget Reconciliation: The Basics

Discover the specific conditions, limitations, and processes for the budget reconciliation process.

budget.house.gov

In short, voted on by full senate, cannot be filibustered, but also is very, very limited and they keep having things they need to add to it stripped out.

Serious question how they plan to sell this more money printing to the public when inflation ( the real one they all feel ) is basically all time high something 14 per cent if you consider proper cpi not the hedonism bs one . Like more money from where ??

 

[Oxous]

Serious question how they plan to sell this more money printing to the public when inflation ( the real one they all feel ) is basically all time high something 14 per cent if you consider proper cpi not the hedonism bs one . Like more money from where ??

They'll say it's good for the public and point to the polls saying something like 70% of Americans support BBB. No further work needed, terms like $3.5 trillion are fairly abstract concepts to most Americans.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

They'll say it's good for the public and point to the polls saying something like 70% of Americans support BBB. No further work needed, terms like $3.5 trillion are fairly abstract concepts to most Americans.

Considering how the most popular vote president ever went i doubt half of the country who also disaproves biden will believe any polls or politicians claims . I mean the media and polling companies have shown they are off the mark with polls consistently for the past 5 years . Again how they going to sell it now that the inflation is the biggest issue currently also changing the inflation measurements again making it even less believable .