US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
Manchin can't agree to it with out some peeling to it. If he wants to run for Governor of West Virginia in the future. Than he wouldn't vote on the radical stuff because if he did. He would kiss his chances in west Virginia politics goodbye
I don't want to give anyone any false hope or anything because he could always say fuck it and do things anyway but based on what I'm hearing from folk in WV I still talk to, if Manchin throws any support behind anything that continues making things worse, his political future is toast. They managed to get a few of the single mom types hooked on government dependency up there with the child tax credit they're trying to leverage but most of the people are reeling from higher prices on everything. Beyond that people are just fed up with Bidens shit and they're fed up with being used as political pawns, "oh won't you think of your poor west virginians Mr Manchin" because the view up there is they've survived this long with no help and a government that occasionally allows pharma companies to try to kill them, and none of these people shouting "think of the poor west virginians" has even acted like they gave a withering shit before.

Tldr the attitude up there still seems very resolutely against anything related to BBB and while Manchin could always pull a fuck it I still stand by my thoughts that if he does it he'll never hold an elected office in WV again. People are fucking tired of the Democrats and even the younger college age types in Huntington and Morgantown are becoming complacent to Dem promises.
 
I don't want to give anyone any false hope or anything because he could always say fuck it and do things anyway but based on what I'm hearing from folk in WV I still talk to, if Manchin throws any support behind anything that continues making things worse, his political future is toast. They managed to get a few of the single mom types hooked on government dependency up there with the child tax credit they're trying to leverage but most of the people are reeling from higher prices on everything. Beyond that people are just fed up with Bidens shit and they're fed up with being used as political pawns, "oh won't you think of your poor west virginians Mr Manchin" because the view up there is they've survived this long with no help and a government that occasionally allows pharma companies to try to kill them, and none of these people shouting "think of the poor west virginians" has even acted like they gave a withering shit before.

Tldr the attitude up there still seems very resolutely against anything related to BBB and while Manchin could always pull a fuck it I still stand by my thoughts that if he does it he'll never hold an elected office in WV again. People are fucking tired of the Democrats and even the younger college age types in Huntington and Morgantown are becoming complacent to Dem promises.
Make since. Manchin is the last major Democrat politician in West Virginia. What every he does will depend on his future there.
 
They'll say it's good for the public and point to the polls saying something like 70% of Americans support BBB. No further work needed, terms like $3.5 trillion are fairly abstract concepts to most Americans.
Considering how the most popular vote president ever went i doubt half of the country who also disaproves biden will believe any polls or politicians claims . I mean the media and polling companies have shown they are off the mark with polls consistently for the past 5 years . Again how they going to sell it now that the inflation is the biggest issue currently also changing the inflation measurements again making it even less believable .
This is where the old enemy of the Democrats rears its head again.

If you were being told over and over again that you just needed to get the next jab, and everything would be normal after, but it never did... how much would you believe them next time?

If you were constantly paying more and more for groceries, but those same people were telling you the economy was the best it ever was, how much would you believe them next time?

If you were told all the benefits you'd possibly get just by getting rid of orange man, but then blue man was worse.... how much would you believe them next time?

People. Aren't. Stupid. Incredibly and deliberately ignorant, but not stupid. These things add up.
 
They'll say it's good for the public and point to the polls saying something like 70% of Americans support BBB. No further work needed, terms like $3.5 trillion are fairly abstract concepts to most Americans.
Actually, even CNN is admitting less than half of America wants the BBB.
 
Actually, even CNN is admitting less than half of America wants the BBB.
Did they? I only recall that dumb 70% poll.
This is where the old enemy of the Democrats rears its head again.

If you were being told over and over again that you just needed to get the next jab, and everything would be normal after, but it never did... how much would you believe them next time?

If you were constantly paying more and more for groceries, but those same people were telling you the economy was the best it ever was, how much would you believe them next time?

If you were told all the benefits you'd possibly get just by getting rid of orange man, but then blue man was worse.... how much would you believe them next time?

People. Aren't. Stupid. Incredibly and deliberately ignorant, but not stupid. These things add up.
What I was trying to say was that most people have already made up their minds, so there isn't a really large group of people who are neutral but could be "sold" on BBB. If the monthly payments of the child tax credit don't get extended, it'll leave a bad taste in the mouth of parents across both parties as well. Either you're for or against BBB, it's a distinction which largely falls on party lines, and putting an effort into "selling" it will yield little dividends which is why I think the Democrats would just use the standard lukewarm responses for that.

This is not, however, the same as boasting about how much of a 'win' BBB passing would be, if that happens. There would be a lot of Democrat celebration and ramming of the benefits down people's throats.
 
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Republicans don't even need to vote apparently. The only thing stopping this right now is just Manchin and Sinema.

All they have to do is get those two on board which I don't think is impossible. After reading up I tend to agree it'll pass but after Manchin makes them trim it down. Or Manchin could cuck after his "talk" with Biden today and go all in.
They need 60 to avoid a filibuster, and there's enough Republicans who would pull one.
 
He asked who not what, I don't know why you put up a picture of a horse but you should answer his question.
Calling that thing a horse is an insult to horses.
From what I remember, that's pretty much it, yeah. The dual approach was meant to be a concession to progressives who wanted everything in the infrastructure bill and BBB to be in the same bill, the original idea being that both of them would be voted on simultaneously. The infrastructure bill would be the concession to get bipartisan support from the Republicans, and BBB would be the reconciliation bill which had everything the progressives wanted. (That's a line I remember pretty well - "$3.5 trillion is already the compromise!")

What it's mostly done has, far from empowering progressives and highlighting their place within the Biden administration, shown that they'll never be anything more than a fringe of the Democrats. It was decoupled from the infrastructure bill because it made moderates upset. It was cut down from $3.5 trillion because that amount was obscene, and even the $1.7 trillion it turned into still seems unlikely to pass. At this point, it's little more than an albatross around the neck of the progressives, something the rest of the Democrats can point to and laugh when they feel like it, and a reminder that we shouldn't get too distracted by what folks like Representative Tlaib are up to. At the end of the day, they will be trusted to do little more than performatively weep and change their vote on legislation if the Democrats demand it.

tl;dr: It was originally for bipartisan reasons, and now functions as the breaking wheel of the progressive movement.
One minor thing I'd like to add. The Progressives are very, very good (or were, things seem to be changing slightly), at getting votes and money for the Dems, so keeping them satisfied through empty promises was a major part of the Dem playbook. However now that they have actual politicians in office, the DNC is forced to deliver something, because as AOC (or more accurately her handlers) demonstrated, they can always just primary people they feel are vulnerable. So getting Tlaib and the rest of the Squad on board with things, at least for now, is essential until the Dems figure out a way to purge them.

There's line from LBJ about keeping uppity niggers happy now that they finally have clout that comes to mind.
 
Another loss for Brandon's COVID mandates:

Missouri Ditches Covid-19 Measures After Court Ruling, Cease-And-Desist from Attorney General

Multiple health departments in Missouri have abandoned most or all of their covid-19 tracking and prevention work after a recent court ruling stripped state and local public health agencies of their powers to establish disease prevention measures. On Dec. 7, Missouri state attorney general Eric Schmitt issued cease-and-desist letters to local public health departments and school districts across the state that cited the court decision—which ruled the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services, or DHSS, can’t create and enforce health orders such as mask mandates and quarantine orders—and instructed these institutions to “stop enforcing and publicizing any such orders immediately.”

“Failure to follow the court’s judgment may result in enforcement action against you to remove orders the court has determined are unconstitutional and illegal,” reads a statement from Schmitt’s office. “We encourage you to take immediate action to remove all unconstitutional and illegal orders.” In response, the Laclede County Health Department, the New Madrid County Health Department, and several other Missouri health agencies announced this week that they are abandoning all work related to the covid-19 pandemic, including case investigations, contact tracing, quarantine orders, and public announcements of case and death tallies. “While this is a huge concern for our agency, we have no other options but to follow the orders of the Missouri Attorney General at this time,” the Laclede County Health Department wrote in a Facebook post Friday, as flagged by Ars Technica. The New Madrid County Health Department posted a nearly identical message the same day.

This all couldn’t have come at a worse time: Coronavirus cases have surged in Missouri in recent weeks. The state is averaging nearly 3,000 new cases per day, a 124% increase over the past two weeks, and daily hospitalizations have increased by nearly 50% in that same time period, according to the New York Times. After citizens challenged the DHSS’s power to issue pandemic-related restrictions such as mask mandates and quarantines, Judge Daniel Green of the Cole County Circuit Court ruled on Nov. 22 that these and other covid-19 precautionary measures violate the state’s constitution. “The authority that the DHSS regulations purport to grant to an administrative official to implement control measures and create and enforce orders is open-ended discretion—a catch-all to permit naked lawmaking by bureaucrats throughout Missouri,” Green said in the ruling.

However, gaps in the decision’s language have led to some confusion among health officials. As Ars Technica notes, some health agencies are abandoning measures specifically cited in the ruling, like quarantine orders, but continuing other work related to covid-19 with the disclaimer that they are still awaiting further guidance from the DHSS. The Washington County Health Department said in a Facebook post Friday that while it “can no longer require quarantine,” it will still require individuals who have tested positive for the virus to isolate for 10 days per the criteria outlined by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Meanwhile, Schmitt, a staunch Republican running for U.S. Senate, has rushed to enforce Green’s ruling and, in the process, effectively declared war on the state’s health departments and school systems over coronavirus precautions.

“Public health authorities and school districts have gone unchecked, issuing illegal and unconstitutional orders in their quest to aggregate, maintain, and exert their new-found power. My Office will enforce the Court’s order across the state,” Schmitt said in a statement posted by his office. On Sunday, the U.S. hit a grim milestone, reaching 800,000 coronavirus-related deaths, Reuters reports. As the outlet notes, even with vaccines widely and freely available for much of this year, more Americans died from covid-19 in 2021 than in 2020, in part due to the more contagious Delta variant. If public officials still aren’t taking the pandemic seriously at this point, no amount of blood on their hands will. And damn if that isn’t depressing.
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LOL, cope, seethe, and dilate Gizmodo journo-scum!
 
@Vyse Inglebard And this right here is why people whinging about "Biden ignoring the courts" are wrong. He can make any decree he wants, but if the people on the ground quash any enforcement of it... it has no teeth. The emperor has no clothes. And as soon as there is solid precedent against the mandates... suddenly there is a lot less enforcement and more willingness to go after the holdouts -trying- to enforce it.
 
Considering how the most popular vote president ever went i doubt half of the country who also disaproves biden will believe any polls or politicians claims . I mean the media and polling companies have shown they are off the mark with polls consistently for the past 5 years . Again how they going to sell it now that the inflation is the biggest issue currently also changing the inflation measurements again making it even less believable .
Just burn the USA to the ground and start again
 
What fucking world is this where Black Hitler and New Hitler join forces to create Mega-Hitler?

This has to be parody or a joke, right?

This can't be fucking real.
Proud Boys have always been a bit of a meme and the Black Hitler figure has some out there views... including a deep skepticism and dislike of the government for... crazy reasons. Makes sense to me.
 
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