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I didn't realize the Netherlands had a low vaxx rate. Good to know!

"Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse." "

Anyone else think this is a sign of the dam about to break?

It gives me the feel that Dr Fauci is covering his ass so he can claim that he "never" claimed this and "always" seen that coming.

People like him are snakes, they feel the tide changing and they change sides faster than Italy.

"Guys guys, I never SAID that the vaccines didnt have a CHANCE of backfiring, ya know? I always suggested there is a chance! I was always on your side if you think about it!"
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Cornell University has a huge outbreak of Covid even though the jab is mandatory.

Twitter is banning folks from talking about the effects of covid. They even banned the American Heart Association from talking about heart inflamentation. They posted a published abstract from one of its medical journals containing research linking mRNA COVID-19 jabs to heart inflammation.

I mean, can Twitter even legally do that? Its from a credible source or its literally "only the stuff we approve can be spread, even if there is literally evidence from experts"




#notacult
#notatyranny
Friend who has already had two rounds of 30+ day periods after her first two Covid shots got a booster and is stuck on her period again. I'm running out of facepalms, but she's married to the nurse and he's convinced her that without the vaccine he's going to bring home Covid and kill her.

Also, I totally agree with those upthread who said that pitting vaxed against unvaxed is not gonna help this situation. There's too much of that elsewhere and the polarization is leading our society to some dark places.

They are doing it on purpose because the more splitered society is, the less likely we are to join forces against them. Its simple, really.
 
This for the state of journalism and science. You only have to read the first paragraphs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...toms-more-likely-to-have-covid-expert-omicron

My version...

Covid is like a cold, but it is not a cold because it is covid which is actually like a cold which is like covid and, that is like a cold. There are other symptoms, that are specific to covid which is like a cold, but you probably haven't got a cold because you probably have covid, which is like a cold.

F.F.S
 
So, if the CDC gets rid of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine in April, what happens to people who qualified for mandates with it?
I wonder the same thing. I really really don't want to take Pfizer vaccine because on top of the spike protein being toxic, lipid nanoparticles are inflammatory on their own. That's why I chose J&J. I knew it's useless, but all of them are useless. However, two doses of toxic shit is one dose more.
 
HA..oh man. Okay:

So this is one of those dough-brains that has to hide from you guys. I was content just pointing it out in a vague way, but since they showed up to simply shitpost and prove once again that they're up their own ass..

Here's some posts from the paypig section showcasing this faggot's mental illness:
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"Not taking conversations from both sides of the aisle," like this issue has multiple sides and they're all of equal value, lmao. "Bad faith attacks." "Buzzwords." Feast your eyes on this retard's complete lack of self-awareness. And then to make it even more hilarious, this fart-huffer ran back to the paypig section in order to quote themselves over a job well done. Yes, really:View attachment 2803421

How absolutely fucking pathetic, lmao. Place your bets on "I was just pretending to be retarded" coming out as the defense.

I'm not going to shit the thread up with this crap beyond this post, but this is outlier levels of stupid. Reap the hilarity.

@uncleShitHeel Wish granted, sir. :story:
People really need to stop playing the "I was only Trolling!!" card when there's evidence of you getting assmad, in a hugbox of all things.
 
New South Wales, our most populous state, has a 95% vaccination rate. Almost all of the vaccination was done less than 3 months ago. Here's what's happening

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Case numbers have gone from 500 a day to nearly 2000 in 72 hours.

Now obviously the vaccines don't work but the ramp up in the infection curve is insane, and this is happening in the middle of our summer when respiratory viruses are quietened. So far the vast majority of cases are Delta not Omicron, and they're speculating that they'll be hitting 25K a day in late Jan, but at the current rate of growth they'll hit the mark by next week.

The more vaccination in a population the more infections we're going to see. The jabbed have fucked immunity.
 
Me: "Serious question. How far do you think is too far on these vaccine mandates?"
Good Pro-Vax Friend: "You know. In all honestly, I don't care. I'm vaccinated."
Me: "I'm starting to seriously worry that this is infringing on our freedoms. What are you gonna do if they take me away to a camp and won't let me out?"
Friend: "I'll bring you a cake with a knife in it."
And we both laughed and changed the subject.

Part of me wants to go away and not see her (or any other pro-vax friends) anymore until this is over, if they care so little about something that's really stressing me out. And part of me knows that's exactly the division the machine is trying to create and we need to keep having these discussions so the enemy has a human face and isn't a monster.
 
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Case numbers have gone from 500 a day to nearly 2000 in 72 hours.
What'll really bake your noodle is when you finally understand that the government is the one providing these numbers to the media, who parrots them uncritically.

Are the numbers accurate? What is the criteria that constitutes a "case" or a "death caused by x"? Are the numbers being tweaked to push the populace towards some goal only tptb are aware of? You have no way of knowing and no way of verifying those numbers that doesn't take up an inordinate amount of your time.
 
The plague bearer lives next door to me. He doesn't go to the school that was closed where the isolated cases popped up.

Partner's grandmother, who is very branch covidian, works with the family and was informed of this for contact tracing purposes. She is vaccinated and very vocal about the unvaccinated worsening the pandemic and spreading it, and saying the unvaccinated don't deserve hospital treatment or for their lives to be priorised etc.

Myself, my partner, our kid, and the grandmother are going to the South Island next weekend to see family for Christmas. I am not vaccinated and I must take a negative test to fly, and have not revealed this to her as she's paying for the tickets and has been hassling me for months to be vaccinated so I just lied because I can't be bothered.

"We don't want to spread it down there," she says, wringing her hands.

Anyway, my partner and her are vaccinated and do not have to show a negative test to fly if they have their vaccination card.

My partner said earlier "I'll be fine, I can't catch it, I'm vaccinated." Jesus fucking christ. Should have seen my face.

ANYWAY, THE GRANDMOTHER SENDS ME THIS.

WHAT THE FUCK.

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LIE TO OFFICIALS ABOUT ACTUAL CONTACT WITH COVID SO YOU CAN FLY AND POTENTIALLY SPREAD THE PLAGUE YOU ARE SO AFRAID OF.

I AM APPARENTLY THE CUNT DESPITE ME NEEDING A NEGATIVE TEST AND SHE DOES NOT AND WILL LIE TO FLY.

I AM THE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH??? I'M THE ASSHOLE?

I DO NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND.
Report her please o please .
 
What's there not to understand?

It was never about safety. it was all about virtue signaling for social brownie points.

Realize this and everything you have seen falls into place.

“…the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”​


― Theodore Dalrymple
 
I think you may have jumped the gun a bit. I do agree the cartoon avatar shit is ridiculous, but as I previously noted in my original post: that was part of the point. If lie-ridden corporate art cartoon videos can get the nigger cattle's attention long enough for them to listen, then perhaps similar tactics may help if you have someone you refuse to give up on.

Beyond all that, the information shared across most of his videos is still worth hearing out. I recommend leaving it on in the background and simply listening along like a podcast. Or don't if it bothers you too much.

Motherfucker, if I weighed 160 lbs I'd have hardly any meat on my bones at all. Are you a bunch of midgets or something? Like I agree obesity is a huge fucking problem and all, but 80 kilos is like heading to the opposite extreme if you're a taller guy.
80kg is around 176lbs. I'm around 172 and I'm 6' - what do you mean, extreme?

Are Americans allergic to being lean?
 
You have not seen the truckers I have seen

They are seriously massive

55? I think that's for midget Asian women.

No, woman are usually required to be slim. If you don't see her ribs, she is FATTY.

Why do you think <3 Trumpu sensei ☆ orders his next wife from eastern europe when the current expires?

I think a lot of people misinterpret what we think. But I don’t think we’re anti-jab. We are just waiting for the actual 100% effective vaccine that doesn’t need 20 boosters every other year. Just one, none of this multiple companies with multiple vaccines with varying degrees of success. Just one, simple, effective, vaccine.

With the rate that this fucker mutates... I am not sure that will happen before the 22nd century. USA and China made it on purpose.

Has anyone mentioned the foiled anti-vaxxer murder plot from Germany?

Vaccine Opponents in Germany Investigated Over Plot to Kill State Governor

Big here, used as a piece to show how crazy westerners are.

The plague bearer lives next door to me. He doesn't go to the school that was closed where the isolated cases popped up.

Partner's grandmother, who is very branch covidian, works with the family and was informed of this for contact tracing purposes. She is vaccinated and very vocal about the unvaccinated worsening the pandemic and spreading it, and saying the unvaccinated don't deserve hospital treatment or for their lives to be priorised etc.

Myself, my partner, our kid, and the grandmother are going to the South Island next weekend to see family for Christmas. I am not vaccinated and I must take a negative test to fly, and have not revealed this to her as she's paying for the tickets and has been hassling me for months to be vaccinated so I just lied because I can't be bothered.

"We don't want to spread it down there," she says, wringing her hands.

Anyway, my partner and her are vaccinated and do not have to show a negative test to fly if they have their vaccination card.

My partner said earlier "I'll be fine, I can't catch it, I'm vaccinated." Jesus fucking christ. Should have seen my face.

ANYWAY, THE GRANDMOTHER SENDS ME THIS.

WHAT THE FUCK.

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YES.

LIE TO OFFICIALS ABOUT ACTUAL CONTACT WITH COVID SO YOU CAN FLY AND POTENTIALLY SPREAD THE PLAGUE YOU ARE SO AFRAID OF.

I AM APPARENTLY THE CUNT DESPITE ME NEEDING A NEGATIVE TEST AND SHE DOES NOT AND WILL LIE TO FLY.

I AM THE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH??? I'M THE ASSHOLE?

I DO NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND.

The fact that you say partner and not wife or husband makes me suspect you of butt burglary.
 
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Sincere Sinner is an Australian, I'm Australian, I assume you're not. So before chiming in maybe consider that we'd know more about what's going on in our own country than you do.

I live in a country where the government threatens jail time to doctors who prescribe Ivermectin for Covid. I live in a state where the head of the medical association called for vaxx refusers to be denied all medical care, not just for Covid. I can inequivalently say that obtaining a medical exemption is all but impossible. Even people who risk anaphylaxis from taking the jab will be told to try another brand. Our medical profession is packed full of slavering at the mouth Covidians who will bully and cajole their patients into getting the holy jab. I have friends who've been on the receiving end and it's not pleasant.

Anyway I understand you're on here to troll but at least try and make your posts make sense.
So you're willing to be nicer to someone who's mercilessly mocking you, but to someone who's just reminding you to be nicer to your fellow man you're like "NYAH IDIOT TOOK POISON WILLINGLY I'M A MARTYR GO LOOK FOR ASSPATS ELSEWHERE".

Amazing.

@Dyn @Just A Butt - please continue. Seems like someone likes when they're beaten with a metaphorical boot to the face.
 

Refugees lack COVID shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits - documents​


Tens of millions of migrants may be denied COVID-19 vaccines from a global programme because some major manufacturers are worried about legal risks from harmful side effects, according to officials and internal documents from Gavi, the charity operating the programme, reviewed by Reuters.

Nearly two years into a pandemic that has already killed more than 5 million people, only about 7% of people in low-income countries have received a dose. Vaccine deliveries worldwide have been delayed by production problems, hoarding by rich countries, export restrictions and red tape. Many programmes have also been hampered by hesitancy among the public read more .

The legal concerns are an additional hurdle for public health officials tackling the coronavirus – even as officials say unvaccinated people offer an ideal environment for it to mutate into new variants that threaten hard-won immunity around the world. Many COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers have required that countries indemnify them for any adverse events suffered by individuals as a result of the vaccines, the United Nations says.

Where governments are not in control, that is not possible.

The concerns affect people, such as those displaced by the Myanmar, Afghanistan and Ethiopian crises, who are beyond the reach of national governments' vaccination schemes.

For refugees, migrants and asylum-seekers, as well as people afflicted by natural disasters or other events that put them out of reach of government help, the global programme known as COVAX created a Humanitarian Buffer – a last-resort reserve of shots to be administered by humanitarian groups. Gavi, the vaccine alliance, is a public-private partnership set up in 2000 to promote vaccination around the world.

But that buffer does not have any mechanism to offer compensation. Gavi, which operates COVAX with the World Health Organization (WHO), says that where those applying for doses, mainly NGOs, can't bear legal risks, deliveries from that stockpile can only be made if vaccine-makers accept liability.

The companies that are willing to do so under these circumstances provide only a minority of the programme's vaccines, according to people familiar with the matter and the documents, written by Gavi staff for a board meeting starting at the end of November.

More than two-thirds of COVAX doses have come from Pfizer Inc. (PFE.N) and its partner BioNTech SE (22UAy.DE), AstraZeneca PLC (AZN.L) and Moderna Inc. (MRNA.O), Gavi says. Moderna declined to comment. AstraZeneca and Pfizer said they were in talks with Gavi but declined to comment further. All three said they are committed to making doses available to poorer nations at relatively low prices. Pfizer said it was collaborating directly with governments in Jordan and Lebanon to donate doses for refugees.

Mainly because of the legal concerns, less than 2 million doses have so far been sent from the buffer, Gavi says. About 167 million people risk being excluded from national programmes, according to United Nations data cited in the documents.

Unless all the firms accept legal liability, "access to vaccines for some populations will remain a challenge," the Gavi documents say, adding that new crises will generate additional demand to cover displaced populations.

The vaccine makers' reluctance to take on the legal risks is "a major hurdle" in attempts to provide vaccines for the buffer, a spokesperson for Gavi told Reuters. Gavi did not comment on the details in the documents, but said applications for vaccines are confidential until the doses are delivered. In September, Gavi's CEO, Seth Berkley, tweeted an appeal to drugmakers to waive their requirements for legal indemnity.

Three Chinese drugmakers have agreed to shoulder legal risks when their shots are delivered through the buffer: SinoVac Biotech Ltd (SVA.O), Sinopharm Group Co. Ltd (1099.HK), and Clover Biopharmaceuticals Co. Ltd, according to the Gavi document. The drugmakers did not respond to requests for comment.

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) of the United States confirmed it would waive a requirement for indemnity for deliveries from the buffer: "We are proud to be part of this effort to protect the world's most vulnerable people," said Paul Stoffels, Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee and Chief Scientific Officer. He did not elaborate.

However, less than one-third of COVAX supplies have come from these four firms, COVAX data shows: Clover's shot has not yet been approved so is not in use.

The global industry association, the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Associations (IFPMA), said "no company has refused to consider" taking on the legal risk. However, in the case of shots delivered from the buffer, it said some firms felt they could not do so without full knowledge of where and how vaccines would be used.

It would be hard to continuously monitor vaccines for safety in refugee camps, and delivery is logistically very challenging and not suitable for all types, said the European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations (EFPIA), which represents large pharmaceutical companies in Europe.

People may blame vaccines for problems that emerge afterwards even if they are unrelated, it said.

"This could then lead to an increased number of litigation cases ... during which the safety and efficacy of the vaccine would be publicly questioned," it said in a statement to Reuters. That might lead to increased vaccine hesitancy and a slower recovery from the pandemic, it said.

So far there is scant information on COVID vaccine litigation, but claims made to out-of-court compensation programmes are one measure of the risk. A programme in the United States has so far not paid out anything, public data show; neither has one set up by the WHO for lower income countries, the WHO said. In Europe, a handful of compensation awards have been granted for undisclosed amounts of money, official data from Denmark, Germany, Norway and Switzerland show read more .

Globally there have been few reported COVID infections among refugees, migrants and asylum-seekers – testing is not always systematic and infections can generate only mild symptoms especially in younger people.

But cramped conditions and weak healthcare expose them to high infection risk. This, combined with low levels of vaccination in a mobile population could favour the emergence of new variants and be a vector for infection, said Mireille Lembwadio, Global Vaccination Coordinator at the International Organization of Migration (IOM), a U.N.-related body that advises governments and migrants.

"Leaving them unvaccinated could help spread the virus and its variants across the world," she said.

WAITING FOR DOSES

Francois Nosten, a French professor who helps coordinate healthcare for people from Myanmar living on the border with Thailand, is one of those waiting for vaccines. In June, he put in a request from the Humanitarian Buffer for 70,000 doses – some for some of the 90,000 or so who are sheltering in camps along the border, but most for unregistered migrants in the border town of Mae Sot and nearby villages.

Nosten, whose main work is researching malaria, is expecting the doses - a fraction of the more than 8 billion administered worldwide - this month. He has been told they will come from Sinopharm, and he hopes they can help inoculate key at-risk groups in Thailand's Tak province. Gavi said delivery arrangements are still being finalised.

About 20,000 doses will be given to people in the camps by the International Rescue Committee (IRC), a humanitarian group working with Nosten.

"At this point whatever vaccine we can secure we are grateful for," said its Thailand Director, Darren Hertz. He added that the IRC believed the likelihood that a member of the refugee population would attempt to take legal action in case of side-effects was "extremely low."

Hertz said the IRC has received a handful of ad hoc vaccine donations from the Thai government and is currently tackling significant outbreaks in five of nine camps on the border, where about 3,000 cases have been confirmed, including at least 26 deaths. A Thai foreign ministry spokesperson confirmed the government was working with the IRC on providing vaccinations in shelters along the border.

Nosten's charity, Border Health Foundation (BHF), is one of eight organisations worldwide that have applied to distribute the shots from the Humanitarian Buffer and one of three to be approved, Gavi said.

Ann Burton, Chief of Public Health at the U.N. refugee agency UNHCR, said the liability issue was one reason agencies have been slow to apply. The programme has also been delayed by the general shortage of vaccines and administrative hurdles read more .

Organisations applying for supplies from the buffer may not choose which vaccines they receive. Working with displaced people, Nosten said it would be more convenient to give them Johnson & Johnson's vaccine, which offers protection after a single dose instead of the two doses needed for Sinopharm's.

But the Sinopharm version will be "better than nothing," he said.

More than 100 national governments have promised to offer vaccines where possible to all the displaced people on their soil, according to the IOM. However, the U.N. group says migrants and refugees are often effectively excluded from such schemes because of administrative or cultural hurdles.

In cases where governments aren't in charge or have not agreed to vaccinate migrants, COVAX's Humanitarian Buffer is the only option. At least 40 countries have yet to include unauthorised migrants in their vaccination programmes, according to the IOM – it and the UNHCR declined to name the countries.

Gavi set up the buffer in March 2021, planning to reserve up to 5% of vaccine doses as they become available to COVAX, which would amount to roughly 70 million doses so far.

The only shots delivered from the buffer so far - just over 1.6 million Sinopharm doses – landed in Iran in November, where high numbers of displaced Afghans have arrived, UNICEF Iran said. That's enough to inoculate about 800,000 people; more will likely be needed, UNICEF said.

NEED FOR SPEED

The vaccine makers' legal concern is rooted in the unprecedented speed of the effort to develop the COVID shots, the EFPIA said.

In normal circumstances, drugmakers buy insurance to cover liability for vaccines' potential adverse effects. But COVID forced them to develop drugs so quickly that some side effects - for instance, a rare blood-clotting condition in some of those who took the AstraZeneca vaccine - are emerging as shots go into people's arms.

Many governments and international agencies have set up compensation schemes to reimburse victims and avoid lengthy litigation. An emergency law invoked by the U.S. government provides legal immunity for drug companies for side effects from their COVID-19 vaccines used in the country. The only exception is for instances of "wilful misconduct."

For drug companies, accepting potential liability runs counter to standard practice.

"Vaccine manufacturers try to minimize legal risks in almost every setting," said John T. Monahan, Professor at Georgetown University. "The gold standard is full immunity from lawsuits. If they accept carve-outs, it may become more difficult to reach that goal."


 
So you're willing to be nicer to someone who's mercilessly mocking you, but to someone who's just reminding you to be nicer to your fellow man you're like "NYAH IDIOT TOOK POISON WILLINGLY I'M A MARTYR GO LOOK FOR ASSPATS ELSEWHERE".

Amazing.

@Dyn @Just A Butt - please continue. Seems like someone likes when they're beaten with a metaphorical boot to the face.
Of course. This is the Farms and he was just another faggot troll. I encourage and welcome autistic OCD posting on here. The crazier the better. Watching the flare up attracts interest to the thread and they all get thread banned eventually. I had been assuming you were sort of trying to contribute, acting like a snarky idiot is just annoying and you need to correct that, but you're not a troll.

Speaking of the vaxxed starting to get worried about their life choices




we're seeing it disproportionate...48 cases in California we've been able to identify.. in the vast majority, the overwhelming majority have been fully vaccinated.

You guys have done fucked yourselves. The Omicron has evolved/ been fabricated to infect the vaxxed, that's becoming very fucking apparent. I genuinely and sincerely hope it really is just a mild flu for all of the jabbed. But damn what a bad life hack, get the experimental jab so I can go out to the pub in return I'll be targeted with viral disease.
 
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