No Country for White Children




No Country for White Children
Andrew Joyce • December 10, 2021
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I’ve recently enjoyed an exchange of emails with a very intelligent and articulate former White Nationalist who is now dedicated to anti-natalism, the philosophy expounded by the Jewish South African philosopher David Benatar. Summed up, anti-natalism argues that life entails suffering, sometimes terrible amounts of it, and therefore that non-existence is always better than living and dying. Benatar’s 2006 Oxford-published book Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence is the influential key text of this growing movement. In the course of the book, Benatar advances the idea that humans should accept that procreation is inherently immoral because it involves creating sentient beings who will suffer and die. The text is thus a moral injunction against having children, and Benatar’s ideal scenario is one in which a barren mankind goes voluntarily extinct. In the course of the email exchange on these ideas, I raised a number of concerns with my correspondent about the logic, theory, and growth of anti-natalism, one of them being that, given the already problematic propensity among Whites to attach themselves to abstract moral concerns, and social fads based on guilt, there was likely to be a practical ethnic disparity in the adoption of anti-natalism at group level. In other words, I argued that anti-natalism, regardless of its philosophical merits or lack thereof (and quite apart from any consideration of Benatar’s intentions or ethnic origins), could contribute to the Culture of Sterility already prevalent in the West by providing yet more philosophical-cultural support for the demographic decline of Whites everywhere.
The minutiae of our broader debate of Benatar’s logic, and our shared rumination on existence and Being, isn’t worth covering here but, as our exchange narrowed in focus, two issues emerged which have relevance for this website. The first was whether life on earth was really a prize worth winning for Whites. The second was whether it was good to bring White children into an increasingly hostile world. My correspondent remains firmly in the camp that argues that life is most definitely not worth it, while I argued against Benatar and made the more optimistic case. This was a novel position for me given my longstanding appreciation of the deep pessimism of Schopenhauer and my general tendency to the “Black Pill” side of things. In this instance, however, I argued that, when it came to life, the game was indeed worth the candle. In fact, I believe that we should not only play the game of life, regardless of suffering, but play to win. I cannot say that I have arrived at this position rationally or logically. I can only say that the drive to life is firmly implanted in me, something that Benatar has argued is simply a trick of Nature. And yet, trick or not, I am a product of this earth, and not something alien to it and subjected to its whims. I am here. I exist. And I believe my best existence can be achieved with those most like me and especially, following in the thought of Frank Salter’s On Genetic Interests, those related to me. In a sense I am on a boat in rough seas—I need those who will reliably grab an oar alongside me, rather than throw me overboard.
My own attitudes to anti-natalism aside, my correspondent is correct in highlighting the increasingly difficult, and almost impossible, position of White children. Despair in this regard is always within touching distance. Just this morning it was brought to my attention that the ADL has extended its considerable tentacles across the Atlantic, and will now be involved in a three-year project in England to provide “lessons and activities to schools and pupils to talk about difference and diversity, celebrate inclusion, and understand discrimination and its effects.” The project is part of a deal with Chelsea Football Club, owned by Russian-Jewish oligarch Roman Abramovich, and will involve significant funding flowing from Chelsea to the ADL. In summary then, English fans are paying not only to see millionaires kick a ball for 90 minutes, but also for their children to be told they’re bigots by a gang of American Jews. That’s quite a deal. The interest of a body of New York Jews in English children is strange to say the least, especially when the ADL currently operates no such scheme in Israel where segregated education is still largely ongoing and, in the words of Israel’s own state comptroller, “racism and discrimination” are still prevalent in Israeli schools.
‘A Twig to be Straightened’: Jewish ‘Anti-Bias’ Research on White Children
I first wrote about the ADL’s strange and obsessive “interest” in White children in 2014, noting at that time their development of “Anti-Bias Lesson Plans and Resources for K-12 Educators.” The ADL program fit neatly into the broader history of Freudian attempts to portray anti-Semitism as a virulent mental pathology that careful education strategies could ‘inoculate’ against. That this process of “inoculation” has targeted White children and no others is an open secret. Although the idea that anti-Jewish attitudes are a form of disease with roots in childhood goes back to Freud, it has been prominent in Jewish activism for over a century and remains current today. Take, for example, the closing remarks from Abraham Foxman’s Jews and Money: The Story of a Stereotype, where parents and teachers are urged to “try to help the next generation grow up freer from the infection of intolerance. [emphasis added]” The goal, as Mr. Foxman himself once articulated, is to “make America as user-friendly to Jews as possible.” Theodore Isaac Rubin’s equally self-interested diatribe, Anti-Semitism: A Disease of the Mind, describes anti-Jewish feeling as a “contagious, malignant disease,” and concludes by stating, “extremely active application of insight and education is necessary to check the disease. Checkmate and eradication is [sic] extremely difficult and probably only possible if applied to the very young before roots of the disease take hold. [emphasis added]” To Rubin, and his like-minded co-ethnics at the ADL, the solution to the problem of anti-Jewish feeling is one of “prophylaxis” and “approaches to children.” The ADL-sponsored tome Anti-Semitism in America (1979), concluded that “It is apparent that the schools are the most appropriate and potentially effective agent to carry out the instructional strategy just outlined.”[1]
The 1979 ADL study was itself following in the footsteps of a series of social engineering experiments carried out on White children over several decades by scores of Jewish psychiatrists and sociologists. Research into the racial attitudes of White children in America began as early as 1929, in Bruno Lasker’s Race Attitudes in Children (New York: H. Holt & Company). Lasker was a Hamburg-born Jew who moved first to England before arriving in the United States in 1914 where he established himself as a pro-immigration social worker. Lasker’s work was furthered in the 1930s by Eugene and Ruth Horowitz[2], whose work was highly influential on probably the most high-profile “child racism” test of the twentieth century — the “doll tests” of Black psychiatrists Kenneth and Mamie Clark that helped end segregation via Brown v. Board of Education. The “doll tests” didn’t just have a Jewish academic heritage; the research of the Clarks was funded by the Julius Rosenwald Fund, and the pair were closely connected to the Northside Center for Child Development which had a “mostly Jewish Board of Directors.”[3]
Research into the putative racism of White children was furthered in the 1960s by Donald Mosher,[4] but it was in the 1970s that an intensification took place, partly as a result of its blending with discoveries of the importance of television in shaping attitudes, and other social behavior ‘modification’ techniques. In 1972, for example, Bradley Greenberg was allowed access to 300 White children from Michigan to see if consistently watching Blacks on television could improve their attitude to “diversity.”[5] The development of Sesame Street, “a program that exposes young children to a variety of attractive black and Hispanic models,”[6] at the start of the decade owed much to the interventions and analyses of Jewish sociologists like Greenberg, as well as Gerry Bogatz,[7] Gerald Gorn,[8] Marvin Goldberg,[9] and Gordon Cantor.[10]
In a glowing walk down memory lane in Tablet, it’s made explicit that “idealistic urban Jews were integral to Sesame Street’s origins. … Its genesis was a 1966 dinner at Joan Ganz Cooney’s apartment, attended by Carnegie Corporation VP Lloyd Morrisett and NYC Channel 13’s program manager Louis Freedman.” As with many social experiments at the time, there was a blend of Jewish activism, government backing, and the financial support of Big Capital. In the case of Sesame Street,
The Carnegie Corporation, the U.S. Department of Education, and the Ford Foundation donated most of the seed money for the launch of Children’s Television Workshop (today called Sesame Workshop). Harvard Ed School professor Gerald Lesser, one of the few people conducting research on kids and TV at the time, became the chair of CTW’s advisory board. He worked with the startup team and offered guidelines. … The show was racially and culturally diverse from the get-go.

These efforts to modify the behavior of White children via television were closely related to earlier Jewish efforts, in the 1950s and 1960s, to modify White racial attitudes. The most notable academics in the field of altering public opinion and White ingroup attitudes including Joseph Klapper, Bernard Berelson, Fritz Heider, Leo Bogart, Elihu Katz, Marie Jahoda, Joseph Gittler, Morris Rosenberg, Ernest Dichter, Walter Weiss, Nathan Glazer, Bernard J. Fine, Bruno Bettelheim, Wallace Mandell, Hertha Hertzog, Dororthy Blumenstock, Stanley Schachter, David Caplovitz, Walter Lippmann, Sol Ginsburg, Harry Alpert, Leon Festinger, Michael Gurevitch, Edward Shils, Eugene Gaier, Joseph Goldsen, Julius Schreiber, Daniel Levinson, Herbert Blumer, I. M. A. Myers, Irving Janis, Miriam Reimann, Edward Sapir, Solomon Asch, Gerald Wieder, Paul Lazarsfeld, and Morris Janowitz.
Someone once said that “when everyone thinks the same, conspiracy is unnecessary.” This is essentially the dynamic at work in this field of research, which was dominated by people from the same ethno-religious background, all of them bringing more or less the same anxieties, assumptions and enmities to their chosen field. The result was a very uniform approach among Jewish psychiatrists and sociologists to the “problem” of the White population, especially White children.
Following in the footsteps of many co-ethnics, in 1976 Irwin and Phylis Katz and their colleague Shirley Cohen moved away from the usefulness of television and into the testing of other “modification” techniques that specifically targeted White children. In one experiment, after gathering 80 White kindergarteners and fourth graders, attitudes to Blacks and the disabled were measured by, for example, confronting the youngsters with a Black man moving around a room in a wheelchair and observing their reactions.[11] Two years after this stunning leap forward for science, Phylis Katz returned to experimenting on White children with colleague Sue Rosenberg Zalk, in a project designed to achieve a “modification” of White children’s attitudes to race.[12] Katz justified the focus on children because, in White adults, “attitudes are relatively intransigent and much more difficult to change.” For Katz, to paraphrase the title of one of her essays, White children were a problematic and warped twig that emerged from a rotten tree and had to be “straightened.”[13]
Today, the same trend is very much in evidence. One of the more influential texts in the field is Louise Derman-Sparks’s 2011 What If All the Kids Are White? Anti-bias Multicultural Education with Young Children and Families. Derman-Sparks, who opened her speech to a multicultural conference in Berlin in 2010 with the statement that Germany’s shift to multiculturalism “has been especially moving and inspiring to me … as a Jewish woman,” adorns the cover of her book with the images of 14 White children gathered together above the distasteful title as if they’re criminal mugshots. The expressed intention of the book is to “pique the interest of Whites to examine themselves,” and it opens with reference to “many authors” who have published texts since the 1990s on how Whites perpetuate racism. The cited “many authors” includes Paul Kivel the Jewish author of Uprooting Racism: How White People Can Work for Racial Justice and founder of the (far from subtle) “Challenging Christian Hegemony Project.” Other examples of these “many authors” include Paula Rothenberg and her 2004 White Privilege: Essential Readings on the Other Side of Racism, Shirley Steinberg and her 2000 White Reign: Deploying Whiteness in America, and Tim Wise and his 2004 White Like Me. Although not mentioned by Derman-Sparks, one of the most influential academic texts in this field in recent years is developmental psychologist Lawrence Hirschfeld’s 1998 MIT-published Race in the Making: Cognition, Culture, and the Child’s Construction of Human Kinds.
Derman-Sparks’s text is one of those truly vulgar texts that maintains a cheery air even as it portrays the innocent as sinister. How else are we to react to the ethnic paranoia inherent in complaints that White children aged between 3 and 4 in one class were perceived as “avoiding dark colors in their artwork”[14] and thus demonstrated a deep-seated racism imbibed from their parents since infancy? The revelation that these White children preferred to draw paintings with bright, cheerful colors was apparently so devastating that a team of anti-bias “educators” was brought in. Derman-Sparks lauds the team for “brainstorming” techniques to adapt the children’s behavior, including providing them with excesses of black and brown paper, providing them with black and brown toys, and creating “relaxation” spaces that were dark. When the children, who weren’t much older than toddlers, complained that the dark spaces were scaring them, they were told that darkness “wasn’t scary” and were made to simply endure it. The ideology behind this mental saturation in darkness was that “White children’s learning to be “White” is part of the maintenance of systemic racism.”[15]
The goal therefore, in all cases, is to prevent White children from adopting their natural racial identity. Derman-Sparks stresses her ambition to create not just generations of Whites who tolerate multiculturalism, but who become active warriors for “social justice.”
Getting the ADL Out of Schools
All of which is to say that Jewish activism in this area is intended to pervert the in-born natural affinity of White children for their own kind. Even Hirschfeld (1998) admits that
race is one of the earliest-emerging social dimensions to which children attend and this pattern of development appears to be stable across diverse cultures. Furthermore racial thinking clearly develops into a theory-like knowledge structure, representing a coherent body of explanatory knowledge sustaining inferences about category members that go far beyond the range of direct experience.[16]
The aforementioned ‘anti-bias training,’ which has been developed over the course of the past century, is designed to overcome the natural instincts of White children and to deprive them of the knowledge structures, explanatory knowledge, and inferences that are essential to the protection of their interests. When these aspects of their development are done away with, and when they are instead brainwashed into becoming “social justice warriors” on behalf of foreign groups, White children are essentially turned upon themselves and their own people.
A promising sign in recent times, however, has been the backlash against the ADL’s involvement in education, which is in turn part of a broader realization of the harmful nature of Critical Race Theory and its encroachment at all levels of the education system. In July, the Californians for Equal Rights Foundation initiated a “Get ADL Out of Schools” campaign after the ADL began state-wide measures that dictated that schools should “notify ADL when any incident of bias, bullying, discrimination or harassment occurs”—presumably so they could refer the offending youth to their “Center on Extremism” as soon as possible. The campaign is led in part by Stuart H. Hurlbert, Professor of Biology Emeritus, San Diego State University, who argues that “the Anti-Defamation League has inserted itself into American politics in a variety of ways over the decades primarily in the guise of a non-partisan, civil rights organization.” As part of his gathering of information revealing the true nature of the ADL, Hurlbert very helpfully directs readers to Kevin MacDonald’s work “Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881–1965: A Historical Review.”
In August, California’s Newport-Mesa Unified School District voted to continue its relationship with the ADL, but “with modifications.” The school district was the victim of an ADL shakedown in March 2019, after it was revealed that some drunken students from Newport Harbor High School arranged cups in the shape of a swastika at an off-campus party. After the prank was made viral by a malcontent, the ADL swooped on the instance of “abhorrent anti-Semitic activity” and shamed the nervous school board into accepting a rapidly escalating series of contracts for anti-bias training for staff and students.
The minutes of the school boards meetings are publicly available, and contain the actual contracts with the ADL which run to the value of some $96,650 over a two-year period for anti-bias and pro-immigration training sessions. The shakedown started to come apart in August, when board members began to question the transparency and cost of their agreements with the ADL, as well as the content of ADL training courses. In response to parents objecting to the school district’s relationship with the ADL on the grounds that it was “bringing critical race theory into the classroom,” the school district “reviewed the proposed contract and recommended eliminating second-level anti-bias courses for school employees.” Unfortunately, the most damaging aspect of ADL ‘training”—their lessons for children—remain in place (at a cost of $27,800), prompting Anti-Defamation League Regional Director Peter Levi to gloat, “We have long believed education is the best antidote to hate and bias.”
More and more objections are being raised, however. Back in June, in Alabama, the Mountain Brook School Board severed ties with the ADL after a parent-led protest against Critical Race Theory being pushed into schools via the ADL’s “No Place for Hate” program. In a familiar pattern, Mountain Brook’s involvement with the ADL began with a teenage prank involving swastikas. A Jewish parent, Elizabeth Goldstein, then claimed that Mountain Brook needed ADL training, providing as supporting evidence the undoubtedly truthful statement: “As a child, as a Jewish child growing up in Mountain Brook, [when I was in second grade] a girl told me she could not play with me because I killed Jesus.”
The shakedown began, but on July 8 Mountain Brook Schools issued a statement in response to parent pressure, announcing that “Mountain Brook Schools will not be using “No Place for Hate” and will no longer be using the services of the Anti-Defamation League.” The ADL, rather than gracefully bowing out of the affair, attacked Mountain Brook Schools in an open letter, accusing the city of “many issues of antisemitism and hatred over the past several years.” Sinister motives were implied to lie behind the Board’s
intentional and unexplained distancing from ADL. … In response to a serious 2020 antisemitic incident involving its students … the Mountain Brook Diversity Committee invited ADL to give a presentation on our educational resources in July 2020. This meeting resulted in the Diversity Committee choosing to use ADL’s No Place for Hate® education framework and A World of Difference Institute® programs for its goal of making MBS students globally responsible and conscious citizens by helping to foster a more welcoming and inclusive school community. … The treatment of ADL as a partner of the district and a resource to the community has been both disrespectful and lacking transparency and communication. We are leaving Mountain Brook Schools with no indication that the issues of antisemitism in the community are being addressed. Indeed, they feel worse. … Mountain Brook Schools’ failure to consider implementing anti-bias education in schools could serve to allow antisemitism and other forms of hatred to fester in the school community.
The ADL could have just cut to the chase and said “A world where bigoted White children aren’t put through our Brainwashing Seminar® and Anti-Identity Institute® (and all for the bargain price of less than $100,000!) is a world in which we’re deeply terrified.”
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We’ve come full circle. Is the ADL looking across the Atlantic because it’s being rebuffed in America? I doubt it. The group is international in origin and intent. It is simply expanding its modus operandi in accordance with its ideology—an ideology in respect to “child racism” in the West that has been a century in the making. This ideology dictates that the “twigs” must be snapped off from the White tree and reshaped. This ideology hasn’t required a conspiracy, only a tremendous similarity in thought and action over one hundred years. Defeating this pattern will require a similar uniformity of thought. White parents coming together to expel brainwashers is a great place to start.
 

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I'm just saying KiwiFuzz's reasoning does not work.
Well it doesn't, but we are dominated by them because Han Chinese are more ethnocentric than any other ethnic group on earth besides dot Indians and Gypsies, and they're considerably more competent at plotting than both of them. Intelligence alone isn't enough, though it makes it possible. Were it just intelligence, Sweden would rule us.

You know how the saying goes: behind every Jew there is a Swede.
 
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Well it doesn't, but we are dominated by them because Han Chinese are more ethnocentric than any other ethnic group on earth besides dot Indians and Gypsies, and they're considerably more competent at plotting than both of them. Intelligence alone isn't enough, though it makes it possible. Were it just intelligence, Sweden would rule us.

You know how the saying goes: behind every Jew there is a Swede.
Well yes, but I'm mainly referring to the media, legal, and entertainment proportions as outlined in the original post.
 
Well yes, but I'm mainly referring to the media, legal, and entertainment proportions as outlined in the original post.
A better explanation when someone spergs about Jews, Catholics, and other ethnics working together is to look at what they have in common. Usually it's terminal libtardism, but occasionally it's because they're out of power and they want to be in power, and they are willing to twist logic to suit this end.

Anyways, rhetorically attacking them at the broadest commonality between them all avoids the issue of >muh antisimitism and attacks the entirety of the group hostile to you and none of those who aren't. Why waste effort and recruit neutrals and allies into your enemy's camp?
 
White Protestants have higher IQs and are better educated than Catholics, and they're also further right.

I would have went with "explain why those are not dominated by Asians by your logic, if the determinants are education and innate intelligence."
I need numbers. Also, these miss my point of having a very nit-picky religious worldview.

Like of Supreme Court Justices and MSNBC hosts, finding one who is not a Jew or a Catholic is the exception.

Most protestant denominations stand for nothing and teach nothing.

And for the person who mentioned the Han, they're going to be in the same group as the Jews; it's coming. I know a shitton of them and while they vote D, they are based as fuck and they will steamroll everyone else.
 
It would be very questionable why they would want to be, to be honest, and would have to be taken on a case by case basis. In our opinion, it is best you go back to Israel and have your ethnostate there.

They would want to join for the same reason anyone not white would want to join, I assume. Blacks were mistreated in Nazi Germany and racemixing was forbidden. Under the Nuremberg laws, only people of German or related blood could have full citizenship.
 
I need numbers. Also, these miss my point of having a very nit-picky religious worldview.

Like of Supreme Court Justices and MSNBC hosts, finding one who is not a Jew or a Catholic is the exception.
I'd allow this if not for the point that many of those are religious in name only.
 
I need numbers. Also, these miss my point of having a very nit-picky religious worldview.
I'm too lazy to look it up for the sake of an internet argument, but you could probably ask people on Twitter for specifics if you have one.
Like of Supreme Court Justices and MSNBC hosts, finding one who is not a Jew or a Catholic is the exception.

Most protestant denominations stand for nothing and teach nothing.

And for the person who mentioned the Han, they're going to be in the same group as the Jews; it's coming. I know a shitton of them and while they vote D, they are based as fuck and they will steamroll everyone else.
It doesn't matter if they're based at home, here they are not in power and being based empowers their competition: Anglo-Celtic-Dutch Americans. Their goal is to gain power and especially status, and grievance politics is the surest way to do that. If a few of their co-ethnics die in the process, well in their perspective that's less intra-group competition for them.

Most Protestant denominations don't matter because they are a small part of the overall Protestant bloc. Only the biggest ones matter, and especially the few still growing or shrinking the least.

That most lawyers and journalists (aka shit people) are grievance/paper Americans reinforces my points. They want power and status, disempowering the locals is how you get it, therefore they do that single-mindedly without thought of the cost to us.
 
They would want to join for the same reason anyone not white would want to join, I assume. Blacks were mistreated in Nazi Germany and racemixing was forbidden. Under the Nuremberg laws, only people of German or related blood could have full citizenship.
Almost all of those blacks in Germany were mutts resulting from rapes of German women by French/British colonial troops and Americans. You can hardly fault them for sterilizing the sons of rapists.
 
Almost all of those blacks in Germany were mutts resulting from rapes of German women by French/British colonial troops and Americans. You can hardly fault them for sterilizing the sons of rapists.
They didn't do it to sons of white rapists. Not to mention that punishing people for the sins of their ancestors opens a nasty can of worms..
 
They would want to join for the same reason anyone not white would want to join, I assume. Blacks were mistreated in Nazi Germany and racemixing was forbidden. Under the Nuremberg laws, only people of German or related blood could have full citizenship.
Who says we are trying to resurrect the Third Reich? It is another misconception.

Generally speaking, we are fascists first and fascists believe in a natural order to things. There is nothing inherent in fascist philosophy that says gas kikes or niggers now. We are not bound to the past or forced to repeat it. We do draw strongly on tradition, but are not blinded by it. This is why there is room to remodel. Again, we are not interested in making a victimization plagued globohomo society, rather, we just want responsible individuals that are very preferably not degenerate, but if they are, can keep it in their own homes and not involve minors or animals. We have no use for career criminals. Fascism is a bit misunderstood because we are economically left, just to the right on social issues. So we would provide for those who need it, but have no use for those that abuse the system.
 
They didn't do it to sons of white rapists.
We don't know if they did.
They didn't do it to sons of white rapists. Not to mention that punishing people for the sins of their ancestors opens a nasty can of worms..
Given that violent crime is strongly correlated with low IQ and high testosterone - both of which are highly heritable - you could make the case for sterilizing sons of rapists. In a time without the ability to test for that, low hanging fruit like "he looks like those dudes who I remember gang-raping women in my town during the post-war occupation" is a good proxy.

One shouldn't expect the children of war criminals to get a warm welcome among the population they attacked. It indicates that your civilization's spirit is broken.
 
@Catch The Rainbow Sorry, I can't quote you, and I'll apologize in advance if I come off as ignorant (it's not my intention), but I was genuinely curious, where did this split between the orthodox and secular Jews come from? I'm not very familiar with Judaism but I frequently see people attributing that to the Talmud, is there any truth to that and do orthodox Jews practice what is written in it? (AFAIK it was written over 1000 years after the Pentateuch, which is the basis of orthodox Judaism, right?) By the way do you think there's a much bigger number of secular Jews compared to orthodox or is that just an impression due to them controlling the media and institutions like you said? Also thank you a lot for your answer, it's legitimately the first time I've received a good response and not called an anti-Semite. :)
The major split between Orthodox and secular Jews came from the Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment). The Haskalah came at the time of the regular Enlightenment and is unironically a bigger tragedy than the holocaust. Jews can recover from genocide, we will eventually reach pre holocaust numbers again but we cannot undo the ideological and spiritual damage done by this time period. It was exclusive to the Ashkenazi/European Jews and enabled the start of heretics corrupting/undermining Judaism while claiming themselves correct and "modern". As an example, the entire rationale behind the start of Reform Judaism was that a German Rabbi wanted to fit in more with his Christian neighbors so he changed the Sabbath from Friday sundown - Sat sundown to just the day of Sunday and allowed music to be played in synagogue. There was no religious reason, he just wanted to fit in. Others in the thread mention the misuse of the Jewish concept of Tikkun Olam (Repairing the World) by secular/Reform Jews, this is where it started. Out of this entire period, there were only 2 good things that came out of it, Zionism and the revival of Hebrew and both of those existed in some form pre Haskalah.

Before this, everyone had different levels of religiosity but everyone recognized that Orthodoxy was the only true religious path and got along well. We can see this with the Sephardi and Mizrahi population. Not everyone keeps everything but the recognition of a central dogma that everyone tries to aspire to unifies the community. This position of being non secular while also not being strictly religious is called being Masorti and it greatly unifies people. With the Ashkenazi population, the group is split up into 3 groups that rarely touch each other: secular/Reform/Orthodox. They don't interact, don't do much together, and don't have a good opinion of each other. On the other hand, Sephardi/Mizrahi communities don't have this problem. They have the Hiloni (secular, doesn't observe but follows cultural traditions)/Masorti/Dati (Religious). They all mix together and you see a wild range of people with different levels of observance together because they all respect one another which doesn't happen with Ashkenazim.

TLDR: Modern split has nothing to do with the Talmud. For your second question, secular Jews far outweigh religious Jews in the USA. In Israel it's mostly secular Jews as well but the Mastori and Orthodox Jews are quickly outbreeding them.

My limited understanding of Orthodox Judaism is that it's a legalistic religion. So long as you follow the rules, you can interpret it as you like (within the confines of a like-minded community). This results in Jews praying alongside one another in holy places, with sometimes diametrically opposed interpretations of the meanings of their prayers.

Their rules make certain professions untenable, specifically those that require you to work every day of the week such as farmer. This limits the social roles they can fill and results in creative reinterpretation of existing rules to make more things possible with the rules they're given.
Jews can be farmers and such. The historical restrictions for Jews led them to certain jobs in the West but there's nothing specifically stopping a Jew from being a farmer. I have stayed with an Orthodox Jewish farmer who just hired non Jews to do his work for him on Shabbat.
I've wondered before why the legal, entertainment, and media castes are disproportionally Jewish and Catholic and this is my conclusion:

Religions that involve a shitton of introspection, nay-saying, and nit-picking, coupled with being minorities among a majority that pretty much forcibly stuck them with their own kind until fairly recently. We forget these days that the KKK was as anti-Catholic as it was anti-Negro.

Larry David is a good example of this. You can picture him sitting on the Seinfeld studio like, "Nah, I don't like that one word." And this is the kind of eye that both the law and the media need.

But it's also created a society of UMC urbanites, in the case of the Jews, who are very suspicious of rural whites and overly generous towards urban blacks.

Wignat conspiracy shit about the Jews always smacks of woke CRT narratives: it's all obviously some grand conspiracy to keep one group ahead of this other group.

I say the same thing about both: Never let conspiracy theories override the plain fact that one group is smarter and better educated than the other group and their respective societal positions reflect this.

The legal bit is easy. The entire religion is based on legal arguments and rhetoric. In order to be an effective scholar, you need to be able to make a good legal argument, point to sources, and make your case to people who will rip it apart then point out every flaw in your argument. You do this for 12 hours a day from the age of 13 and when it's time for an actual career, law school is a cakewalk.

The entertainment/media thing is a bit more complex. Essentially when the US cinema/entertainment industry was starting out, it was considered an extremely low class profession as well as being new. Jews faced less discrimination when getting jobs in that industry and when the industry left the East Coast to avoid attempts at censorship, the Jews came along with them to LA. As a consequence of them trying to push the moral boundaries that were set in those days, only secular Jews who tended leftist worked for them and as they rose, nepotism caused them to hire other Jews like them and suddenly you have a giant commie problem in Hollywood. The reason why Jews are now in the news media is likely because of the rise of 24 hour news, CNN pulled a lot from the outside entertainment industry and being a Jewish rich environment, planted the seed for them in the TV news media. In the print news media, it's a combination of the lawyer/scholar thing and a combination of the non tv entertainment thing combined. At least that's my theory.
 
Some of the smarter left-wing Jews have realized that the dark-skinned people they are teaching to hate and want to kill white people don't really make a distinction between "goodwhite" and "badwhite" the way do and are hoping to shed their white identity somehow. It doesn't work. You don't get docked any points in the knockout game if the enrichment subject had a big nose and curly hair.
The masses of blacks and Arabs don’t see much difference between Ashkenazi and White Europeans, to the world’s browns and blacks-Jews are just White people with funny hats and longer noses.

That said, Jews will continue to support Anti White policies. Because Jews see White racial consciousness as a far greater threat than hordes of angry Muslims or rapacious Africans.
 
To be fair though, I don't think it's specifically "jews". Stormfags like to blame everything on "da joos" when it has always been a matter of class. Most of this nonsense is coming out of the rich white intelligencia and financial class. There are alot of jews in those groups to be sure, but it's by no means a monolith. The White non jews pushing woke shit are still the majority.
Rootless cosmopolitanism has been trendy among the idle rich of all races and creeds for far too long for anyone's good. The secular Jews in the West merely adopted that culture when they began moving up the ranks.
If you look at the history of National Socialists, between 1/10 and 1/3 of them were either Jews, gay, degenerates, or questionably white. You'll fit right in.
The ideal Aryan was as blonde as Hitler, as fit as Goering, as tall as Himmler, and as straight as Rohm. So yes, quite a big tent there the Nazis had.
 
The ideal Aryan was as blonde as Hitler, as fit as Goering, as tall as Himmler, and as straight as Rohm. So yes, quite a big tent there the Nazis had.
Shitposting aside, very few members of the Nazi party were normal people compared to the German and Austrian normies in whose interest they pretended to act. Ron Unz wrote a very thorough article detailing many of the links between Jews and Nazis.
 
Shitposting aside, very few members of the Nazi party were normal people compared to the German and Austrian normies in whose interest they pretended to act. Ron Unz wrote a very thorough article detailing many of the links between Jews and Nazis.
Holy shit. :story:
And here I thought Jewish Nazis were a meme.
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That was a fascinating read.
 
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I now interrupt your Godwinist sperging to note: Anti-Natalists don't really focus on Jews running society as a reason to not have babies. A lot of them bring up shit like a planet that's so polluted that sea creatures normally found in coastal tidepools have been found living on clumps of plastic garbage in the middle of the Pacific Ocean because they think it's a coastal jetty, half the world being on fire for much of the summer, ordinary winter storms being so devastating that they're named like hurricanes, and similar climate/weather related problems. Some see that speds and niggers seem to be outbreeding normal people and don't want their kids living in a global Liberia. And then there's a slice who are fucked up themselves (like me) and are smart enough to realize that their spawn would be the world's next CWC. The White Nationalists really don't register in the "mainstream" human extinction movement. As noted, WN's tend to want to spawn more WN's because the goal is to reestablish White dominance and civilization. Occasionally you'll get one who says "fuck it, we've lost, the future will be Jews and niggers" and goes off in the woods to live The Ted Life. But there aren't very many.
 
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It's always been surreal to me how the jews that go on "make white people exctinct!" dont' consider themselves white. One of the big things the Nazis said about them was "well technically they aren't white!" jews are "not white" in the same way fucking italians or the irish are "not white", tied to some dumbass arbitrary shit nobody really gives a fuck about. In their fucking sheer hubris they never come to the understanding that if they ever got their wish of the total extinction of white people it'd destroy themselves as well. It's like a weird thing where they've flipped and started using the fucking actual nazi rhetoric against them as a "see we really ARENT white!!!" shit but that won't save your pasty ass from the chopping block if you successfully foster that racial hatred in the people.
Jews come from the desert and are descended from the Aramaic peoples. They are Arabs.

Italians are not white. They are Mediterranean, as are Greeks. Croatians, Spaniards, Portugese, Southern French, etc.
 
And then there's a slice who are fucked up themselves (like me) and are smart enough to realize that their spawn would be the world's next CWC.
And you dare deprive my children of that!? Fuck you, pal.

But then are you really a natsoc? In the old days, national socialism was explicitly racist.
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Germany for Germans vs. America for Americans.

But who ARE Americans? Immigrants. Anyone is welcome in the new world so long as they work hard and don't act like a nigger.

Can Jews be National Socialists?
Every heard of the State of Israel?

Who says we are trying to resurrect the Third Reich? It is another misconception.

Generally speaking, we are fascists first and fascists believe in a natural order to things. There is nothing inherent in fascist philosophy that says gas kikes or niggers now. We are not bound to the past or forced to repeat it. We do draw strongly on tradition, but are not blinded by it. This is why there is room to remodel. Again, we are not interested in making a victimization plagued globohomo society, rather, we just want responsible individuals that are very preferably not degenerate, but if they are, can keep it in their own homes and not involve minors or animals. We have no use for career criminals. Fascism is a bit misunderstood because we are economically left, just to the right on social issues. So we would provide for those who need it, but have no use for those that abuse the system.
Except you're leaving out the part where you centralize authority and allow corporations to dictate economic policy, enabling those who run the system will ultimately abuse it, picking and choosing who gets help and in what order.

Go fuck yourself.
 
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