Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
- Thread starter Borscht
- Start date
Compositesludge
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 26, 2019
It's happened and there isn't much we can do about it. It's good to be concerned, good to be aware of all the options, but I don't think we're qualified to be giving medical advice one way or another!
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2020
"Don't drink bleach" and "don't take a gene therapy treatment that will affect your genome, alter your immune system, and has side effects that are yet to be seen" are on the same level of "medical advice".
Compositesludge
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 26, 2019
A sizable portion of the United States has been vaccinated and we're not seeing waves of stillborn babies or mutant abominations roaming the streets. That's my evidence, where's yours?
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2019
nigger please. the rates of stillborns/miscarriages have exploded,they're just being hidden from public view. (hmm,wonder why??) there have been hundreds of women saying that after they took the vaxx,they had a miscarriage.
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2020
Give it five years. We know right now what drinking bleach will do to you in five years after you do it, we don't if you get the jab.
It was once upon a time considered sound medical advice to smoke to ease a sore throat, or to take thalidomide.
Compositesludge
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 26, 2019
Where'd you read this?
So you know because you don't know?
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2020
Are you saying that you do know? Because from all that's come out, these jabs are neither effective at preventing serious illness nor spreading the disease and come with side effects that can be serious in the short term. These are MRNA gene-altering treatments that have never been done before, especially on the scale that they're being done now.
You're trying to argue against ignorance from a position of ignorance with this statement.
- Joined
- Mar 16, 2019
It's like the time they sprayed radioactive isotopes over an American city. Some people were fine, others got sick and died. We don't know the long term effects to this day. On their fertility or children.
Compositesludge
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 26, 2019
So there are short term effects which evidently are serious but aren't being measured, but you mentioned looking at long term effects, and I think you need to stick to one argument at a time. You never know, maybe the people who are having negative effects to the jabs are getting sick with the jabs, not because of the jabs.
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2020
They're the same argument. The short term effects aren't good and I can't imagine the long term effects will be any better.
Or, how about the fact that it doesn't stop people who get them from being grievously ill nor does it stop the spread of the disease, and there's an argument to be had that it in fact is encouraging the virus to become more lethal in response. It's an over-reaction, and a dangerous thing to do in the face of a virus with a %99+ survival rate.
- Joined
- Mar 16, 2019
MRNA vaccines have a poor history in animal testing and that enough for me to avoid getting them.
- Joined
- Sep 22, 2021
Anecdotally: I was just talking to my aunt and she was talking to the staff in my grandma’s retirement home. According to the staff member some of these old dames in their 70s and 80s got their periods back after their shots.
It freaked everyone out but seemed to mostly stop after six months. You never hear about it in the news though.
It freaked everyone out but seemed to mostly stop after six months. You never hear about it in the news though.
Oxous
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2021
‘Let’s get a drink’: Dems confront prospect of a 2022 hurricane
(article)
Staring at the possibility of major midterm losses, Democratic leaders are just hoping to limit the damage.
CHARLESTON, S.C. — Democratic Party leaders moved quietly this week to lower expectations for the midterm elections as they met for year-end talks against the backdrop of an increasingly bleak electoral landscape.
The House? Likely gone. The Senate? A crapshoot.
Interviews with more than two dozen state party chairs, executive directors and strategists suggest party officials are reframing the 2022 election as a defensive effort, with success defined as maintaining the Democratic Senate majority and holding back a Republican tide in the House.
“Success looks like we hold the Senate and we hold the House, or we narrowly lose it, so if Republicans take control, it’s a razor-thin margin,” said Colmon Elridge, the chair of the Kentucky Democratic Party.
“I would hope [the Republican margin in the House] is less than 20,” he said.
For Democrats, the meetings here reflected a sober assessment of the party’s near-term prospects — marking a shift on the left from a state of denial to a place of bargaining. In downgrading expectations, party officials are placing increased urgency on Democrats’ effort to pass major pieces of President Joe Biden’s agenda while they still can and treating the House campaign next year as a set-up for 2024. If Democrats can keep the chamber close enough, they believe they can make a credible run at the majority again two years later, when a presidential election year could make conditions for the party more favorable.
At the Charleston Marriott, where Democrats met for training, presentations and receptions, one state party chair called the midterm prospects “awful.” Another state party chair said, “I don’t see any way we keep the House.” And one strategist said, “If we’re in the 10 to 20 [loss of House seats] range, that will be better than we thought.”
“I’m scared,” said Peg Schaffer, vice chair of the Democratic Party in New Jersey, whose Democratic governor, Phil Murphy, won reelection this year, but by a far closer margin than expected. “We need to get the vote out, and in the midterms, it’s hard.”
By every conventional measure, Democrats are staring into a midterm abyss. Inflation is soaring, and large majorities of Americans are anxious about the economy. Biden’s approval ratings — a metric closely tied to a party’s performance in the midterms — are stuck in the low 40s, according to the FiveThirtyEight polling average, and generic ballot tests pitting unnamed Republicans against unnamed Democrats have swung in the GOP’s favor.
Even worse for the party in power, Covid-19 is still killing more than 1,000 Americans a day, and the virus’ Omicron strain is spreading so rapidly that Democrats are bracing for a spike in cases to start the new year. On Friday, the Association of State Democratic Committees opened its general session with an announcement that two vendors working on site had tested positive for Covid. Party officials were conducting contact tracing as the meeting went on.
“Omicron is going to lead to a surge in January, which is undoubtedly going to depress people,” said Karl Sandstrom, a campaign finance lawyer working with Democrats.
Of the party’s prospects in 2022, he said, “It certainly isn’t promising. But it’s a long year.”
In part, Democrats are suffering from bad timing, pinched between anxiety about next year and the sting of the off-year elections. It was just last month that Democrats saw Republicans over-perform expectations in New Jersey and win an upset in Virginia’s gubernatorial race. The results cast what Ken Martin, chair of Minnesota’s Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, acknowledged was a “shadow” over the meeting.
In a speech to the state party association, which he leads, Martin repeatedly urged Democrats to “stop agonizing.”
“Look, look, Democrats, midterms are never easy,” he said. “But none of us in this room are here today because the work is easy. We’re here because the work matters.”
But there is no guarantee that Democrats will be able to run more effective campaigns in 2022. There was widespread agreement among Democrats in Charleston that any hope for success next year will hinge on Congress passing Biden’s $1.7 trillion climate and social spending package, as well as on elections reform legislation. Both are significant lifts. Biden acknowledged Thursday, just as meetings picked up here, that negotiations on his Build Back Better bill will likely drag into next year. Congressional action on voting rights appears even more tenuous.
“If we could get the Build Back Better plan passed and get a strong voting rights bill passed, Democrats will have a strong possibility of at least keeping the Senate,” said Hendrell Remus, chair of the Tennessee Democratic Party.
“It’s tough. It’s a tough reality," he said.
Publicly, Democrats are still projecting confidence that they can maintain the House in 2022. And it’s not impossible that they will. The Omicron variant, while highly contagious, appears typically to cause mild disease. The economy is showing signs of strength. If the virus and inflation can be brought under control by mid-2022, the mood of the electorate may dramatically improve, likely helping the party in power.
“My goal is — even if it’s slim, if it’s by one — it’s keeping control of the House and adding at least one or two more to the United States Senate,” said Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, in an interview.
While acknowledging the historic precedent of the president’s party losing seats in midterms, Harrison said, “The economy’s going to come back and come back strong,” benefiting incumbent Democrats.
“The real challenge for us is the feeling from Covid,” he said. “Can people get to some sense of normalcy? I believe if people start feeling as if normalcy is coming back, I think Democrats are in a much, much better situation.”
Many party leaders and strategists believe there is at least a small chance that will happen. Moreover, they are acutely aware that defeatism is a losing strategy in an election where high voter turnout will be critical. In Nevada, a swing state where Democrats will be defending the seats of Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto and Gov. Steve Sisolak in 2022, Judith Whitmer, the state party chair, said she is “extremely optimistic.”
“We have to stop with this tendency to have a self-fulfilling prophecy,” she said. “We keep hearing this narrative, ‘It’s going to be a bloodbath.’ … I don’t think we should look at it like that. I think we have to be optimistic.”
Trav Robertson, the chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party, ripped into what he called “this negative, defeatist attitude coming from a group of Washington elites.”
“By God, we can make history and create our own fate,” he said. “How do you lose? You don’t get voting rights passed.”
If Democrats are able to muscle voting rights legislation through Congress and also pass Biden’s Build Back Better agenda — and if inflation and Covid come under control — one state party executive director said Democrats could at least maintain a sufficiently large minority in the House to “block bad things from happening.” Holding a narrow minority, one strategist said, would poise the party for a more competitive campaign in 2024.
But hardly anyone here was banking on it.
Asked about the party’s prospects next year, one state party’s executive director shook his head and said, “Let’s get a drink.”
Staring at the possibility of major midterm losses, Democratic leaders are just hoping to limit the damage.
CHARLESTON, S.C. — Democratic Party leaders moved quietly this week to lower expectations for the midterm elections as they met for year-end talks against the backdrop of an increasingly bleak electoral landscape.
The House? Likely gone. The Senate? A crapshoot.
Interviews with more than two dozen state party chairs, executive directors and strategists suggest party officials are reframing the 2022 election as a defensive effort, with success defined as maintaining the Democratic Senate majority and holding back a Republican tide in the House.
“Success looks like we hold the Senate and we hold the House, or we narrowly lose it, so if Republicans take control, it’s a razor-thin margin,” said Colmon Elridge, the chair of the Kentucky Democratic Party.
“I would hope [the Republican margin in the House] is less than 20,” he said.
For Democrats, the meetings here reflected a sober assessment of the party’s near-term prospects — marking a shift on the left from a state of denial to a place of bargaining. In downgrading expectations, party officials are placing increased urgency on Democrats’ effort to pass major pieces of President Joe Biden’s agenda while they still can and treating the House campaign next year as a set-up for 2024. If Democrats can keep the chamber close enough, they believe they can make a credible run at the majority again two years later, when a presidential election year could make conditions for the party more favorable.
At the Charleston Marriott, where Democrats met for training, presentations and receptions, one state party chair called the midterm prospects “awful.” Another state party chair said, “I don’t see any way we keep the House.” And one strategist said, “If we’re in the 10 to 20 [loss of House seats] range, that will be better than we thought.”
“I’m scared,” said Peg Schaffer, vice chair of the Democratic Party in New Jersey, whose Democratic governor, Phil Murphy, won reelection this year, but by a far closer margin than expected. “We need to get the vote out, and in the midterms, it’s hard.”
By every conventional measure, Democrats are staring into a midterm abyss. Inflation is soaring, and large majorities of Americans are anxious about the economy. Biden’s approval ratings — a metric closely tied to a party’s performance in the midterms — are stuck in the low 40s, according to the FiveThirtyEight polling average, and generic ballot tests pitting unnamed Republicans against unnamed Democrats have swung in the GOP’s favor.
Even worse for the party in power, Covid-19 is still killing more than 1,000 Americans a day, and the virus’ Omicron strain is spreading so rapidly that Democrats are bracing for a spike in cases to start the new year. On Friday, the Association of State Democratic Committees opened its general session with an announcement that two vendors working on site had tested positive for Covid. Party officials were conducting contact tracing as the meeting went on.
“Omicron is going to lead to a surge in January, which is undoubtedly going to depress people,” said Karl Sandstrom, a campaign finance lawyer working with Democrats.
Of the party’s prospects in 2022, he said, “It certainly isn’t promising. But it’s a long year.”
In part, Democrats are suffering from bad timing, pinched between anxiety about next year and the sting of the off-year elections. It was just last month that Democrats saw Republicans over-perform expectations in New Jersey and win an upset in Virginia’s gubernatorial race. The results cast what Ken Martin, chair of Minnesota’s Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, acknowledged was a “shadow” over the meeting.
In a speech to the state party association, which he leads, Martin repeatedly urged Democrats to “stop agonizing.”
“Look, look, Democrats, midterms are never easy,” he said. “But none of us in this room are here today because the work is easy. We’re here because the work matters.”
But there is no guarantee that Democrats will be able to run more effective campaigns in 2022. There was widespread agreement among Democrats in Charleston that any hope for success next year will hinge on Congress passing Biden’s $1.7 trillion climate and social spending package, as well as on elections reform legislation. Both are significant lifts. Biden acknowledged Thursday, just as meetings picked up here, that negotiations on his Build Back Better bill will likely drag into next year. Congressional action on voting rights appears even more tenuous.
“If we could get the Build Back Better plan passed and get a strong voting rights bill passed, Democrats will have a strong possibility of at least keeping the Senate,” said Hendrell Remus, chair of the Tennessee Democratic Party.
“It’s tough. It’s a tough reality," he said.
Publicly, Democrats are still projecting confidence that they can maintain the House in 2022. And it’s not impossible that they will. The Omicron variant, while highly contagious, appears typically to cause mild disease. The economy is showing signs of strength. If the virus and inflation can be brought under control by mid-2022, the mood of the electorate may dramatically improve, likely helping the party in power.
“My goal is — even if it’s slim, if it’s by one — it’s keeping control of the House and adding at least one or two more to the United States Senate,” said Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, in an interview.
While acknowledging the historic precedent of the president’s party losing seats in midterms, Harrison said, “The economy’s going to come back and come back strong,” benefiting incumbent Democrats.
“The real challenge for us is the feeling from Covid,” he said. “Can people get to some sense of normalcy? I believe if people start feeling as if normalcy is coming back, I think Democrats are in a much, much better situation.”
Many party leaders and strategists believe there is at least a small chance that will happen. Moreover, they are acutely aware that defeatism is a losing strategy in an election where high voter turnout will be critical. In Nevada, a swing state where Democrats will be defending the seats of Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto and Gov. Steve Sisolak in 2022, Judith Whitmer, the state party chair, said she is “extremely optimistic.”
“We have to stop with this tendency to have a self-fulfilling prophecy,” she said. “We keep hearing this narrative, ‘It’s going to be a bloodbath.’ … I don’t think we should look at it like that. I think we have to be optimistic.”
Trav Robertson, the chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party, ripped into what he called “this negative, defeatist attitude coming from a group of Washington elites.”
“By God, we can make history and create our own fate,” he said. “How do you lose? You don’t get voting rights passed.”
If Democrats are able to muscle voting rights legislation through Congress and also pass Biden’s Build Back Better agenda — and if inflation and Covid come under control — one state party executive director said Democrats could at least maintain a sufficiently large minority in the House to “block bad things from happening.” Holding a narrow minority, one strategist said, would poise the party for a more competitive campaign in 2024.
But hardly anyone here was banking on it.
Asked about the party’s prospects next year, one state party’s executive director shook his head and said, “Let’s get a drink.”
Oxous
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2021
Apologies for double posting but I think this warrants it.
There is a sussy impostor among the Congressmen spreading the bat flu to everybody.
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2020
Whose the person giving the dems covid is my question.
Honka Honka Burning Love
In Clown World, the only god is the one who Honks.
True & Honest Fan
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2019
Oxous
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2021
Right now it's mostly a crap shoot. The origin of this wasn't somebody within that congressional delegation to Ukraine, we know that because only Representatives were members of that delegation and Booker/Warren are both Senators. All three of them are Democrats, however, so 'Patient 0' is probably a Dem.
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2018
They'd have already said it if they knew it was a republican, so it's not that option.
Compositesludge
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 26, 2019
And this is why I keep coming back to this thread, because this is something that we completely agree on. Vaccines might be helpful to some (I actually delayed getting my booster a few times because I have a genetic history of heart conditions and wanted to be sure!), and if you're not sure, nobody should force you to get one or not get one. And either way, even with the 95% efficacy rate (which is definitely not 100%, just throwing it out there), the vaccines are clearly not a silver bullet against Covid-19 and will not single-handedly end this pandemic. The rhetoric is absolutely evidence of an over-reaction, of the vaccines alone being enough to stop Covid, and they're not. The Biden administration's response treats vaccine distribution as their only responsibility, and it's not. It's going to make this shit so much worse, because Covid isn't nearly as dangerous as it's hyped up to be, and if this continues to be our only response, it might actually get there. I think that's the real danger here, and I think that's where the thread and I differ. I don't think the vaccines are as deadly as the fear permeating all of this.
One thing that I've personally found irritating is that the vaccines are treated as having no side-effects at all. Them causing problems with pregnancy, I've never heard of it or seen stories of it (but I'd be very open to reading stories about it if they're out there), but the second shot and booster knocked me on my ass for a day or two. On one of those days, I was driving home from work, and it's by the grace of God alone that it didn't end with me getting pancaked on the highway. If the Biden administration was serious about getting jabs in people's arms, you'd think that they would account for that, but I genuinely don't know what they're even trying to do these days. It's maddening to see unfold.
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2020
Again, "I'm thankful that I'm fully vaccinated and boosted." Really, fed-nigger? Really? Y'all ain't fooling nobody at this point.
- Status