Kiwi Farms and SEPA

[Null]

Check out Previti vs Wikimedia Foundation too, if you can find it.

Victory in Italy: Wikimedia wins lawsuit against former Minister of Defense

The Rome Court of Appeals has ruled strongly in Wikimedia’s favor in Previti v. Wikimedia Foundation. It protected accurate, well-sourced articles, and held that when someone has a concern, they sh…

wikimediafoundation.org

how is Italy not being invaded by the entire EU to stop this madness? They're telling the EU to fuck itself in some of these judgements

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

@Null
Looking at Dutch regulations, probably a wash. Latest General Banking conditions are from 2017 - Link, p65 onwards. They emphasise that both the bank and account holder have a 'duty of care' and the bank can yeet you unliterally if you breach it. They are vague about what breaching actually constitutes other than withholding information about transactions and real financial crimes such as money laundering - but there is some talk of 'damaging the bank's reputation', which seems like bad news.

For what it's worth, ING are opportunistic borderline criminals who have no problem hosting terrorists and international drug criminals and protecting them (settled for hundreds of millions multiple times after investigation), and they seem to be protective of smaller/normal customers too, so it might be worth looking into ING specifically. They host all kinds of trash so they wouldn't object to the Farms on principle, but I don't know what they would do if someone started emailing them with complaints about gamer words etc.
Recently ING froze the account of a famous Corona-truther, but this was because he broke the banking rules by not supplying information about where his money came from, which conflicted with an anti-terrorism law.

 

[mindlessobserver]

unironically Italy is looking good. Is it time to embrace my non-white heritage?

Just don't slip on the Spaghetti.

 

[mr.moon1488]

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Nigger

 

[Dyn]

how is Italy not being invaded by the entire EU to stop this madness? They're telling the EU to fuck itself in some of these judgements

They side with the French anytime France needs them to, so they know they can do whatever the fuck they want and France will have their back to stop Germany running everything.

 

[Null]

They side with the French anytime France needs them to, so they know they can do whatever the fuck they want and France will have their back to stop Germany running everything.

ah yes of course, the Entente still going strong.

 

[Dyn]

@Null check out RTI Mediaset vs Google, Italy looks good on IP law as well.

 

[KifflomKween]

I will check Portuguese laws, more out of curiosity because this country is so absolutely cucked I doubt you could do anything. It is a corrupt backwater shithole and here they are always looking for people like you to hang bc they want to look progressive.

 

[Marissa Moira]

If you're dealing with the lesser euro countries it tends to be "it's only ok until someone decides to sue you or take other legal action". And if you're not paying these people with kickbacks from illegal drug or slave trade, they won't look the other way.

There's no real oversight but if someone makes noise they'll probably shut you down because it means more work for them if they don't. While The Greeks are known to be lazy there are far worse demographics out there.

 

[Shig O'nella]

Italy has had a supreme court case affirming third party protections but you're still going to be open to really severe injunctions over any pending cases, and the threat of some faggot trying to argue you know we're a bunch of defaming hatespeeching seditioners and permit it (which, tbh, OP would probably prove).

Can you open a SEPA bank account and flush all the money out of it as often as possible and consider it an expendable low-value asset that you're willing to write off on a default if you get sued?

Skip Italy. If you are a non national individual or business, getting a bank account is very difficult since the crack down on both money laundering and name donation - where you have an account but an Italian citizen has lent their name to it to avoid the excessive monitoring foreign owned accounts get.

 

[Zeva_Adom]

@Null does it matter what bank it is? There are a lot of extremely right-wing banks and minority banks(for instance the carinthian-slovenian minority has its own bank) If not I'll go ask at every bank in Austria since I'm visiting relatives anyway.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Malta or Cyprus - both are bilingual in English and quite laissez-faire about gamblin' munnies and other stuff.

English is an official language in the former, while it's not an official one in the latter, though the populations of both nations are widely proficient in English (again, it being more prevalent in the former).

More importantly, English (alongside Maltese, which has priority when the two languages disagree in their interpretation of any law) is used in Malta's courts.

Otherwise, I agree that those two island nations somewhat outside the conformist fold of the continent are interesting options for Null (and other Kiwis) to look into.

 

[Dank Wankula]

I'm afraid of Czechia because they have those three big cases in 2019 where people went to prison for saying Muhammad is a pedophile. Honestly embarrassing the Czechs allowed that to happen. I don't know anything about Slovakia.

Italy might actually be the best bet because it seems to be the sweet spot between "real economy" and "my country is a shithole and nobody cares about the law, trust me".

Well, if you go with italy then maybe you can just ignore the law and pay the mafia to do whatever you want.
I hear that's still how it works over there. That'd get you ahead in a hurry. Does the italian mob hate animal rapists and kiddie diddlers?

 

[Cydonia]

Very aware of this case. I was leaning in to Estonia and reading their case law before finding it and abandoning all hope.

Not only that, but the county wants to be Western/Nordic so bad and distance itself from its Soviet past that anything even slightly controversial gets shut down hard. If they didn't, media would come down on the bank like a ton of bricks so they are preemptively saving face.

 

[Marissa Moira]

What about instead of trying to find a euro country, try finding a country that has a lot of dealings with European financial institutions like Madagascar?

 

[Dyn]

@Null have you considered opening an Italian VBA through an American bank? Or using a multinational from a country with strong protections against account terminations, like Holland?

 

[admiral]

I'd say avoid Latvia. They don't seem to care too much about saying the no-no gamer word or calling people trannies, but they're pretty uptight about pro-Russian sentiments. You can take out a bank account, though.

 

[Plaintiff is fat]

As far as EU member States goes, I think Article 14 of the e-commerce Directive is the EU equivalent of §230. Euros are such homos that this era-defining piece of legislation only has Wikipedia articles in 4 languages lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Commerce_Directive_2000#Liability_of_intermediaries

After nearly 20 years of cases from the European Court of Justice, a complicated and sometimes conflicting body of case law remains.[34] This creates legal uncertainty for companies hoping to benefit from the safe harbour in article 14 e-Commerce Directive.[34]

The directive indicates an "administrative authority", not just a court, can give you notice to take down stuff. Perhaps some EU country implemented this more strictly to only mean a court. I read Spain's version and they use similar language like "competent agency".

I wonder if some newfangled e-wallet with government-mandated interoperability, which are regulated as somewhat distinct from banking, has snuck in some broader protections for users partaking in perfectly legal commerce.

 

[Rungle]

@Null
Looking at Dutch regulations, probably a wash. Latest General Banking conditions are from 2017 - Link, p65 onwards. They emphasise that both the bank and account holder have a 'duty of care' and the bank can yeet you unliterally if you breach it. They are vague about what breaching actually constitutes other than withholding information about transactions and real financial crimes such as money laundering - but there is some talk of 'damaging the bank's reputation', which seems like bad news.

For what it's worth, ING are opportunistic borderline criminals who have no problem hosting terrorists and international drug criminals and protecting them (settled for hundreds of millions multiple times after investigation), and they seem to be protective of smaller/normal customers too, so it might be worth looking into ING specifically. They host all kinds of trash so they wouldn't object to the Farms on principle, but I don't know what they would do if someone started emailing them with complaints about gamer words etc.
Recently ING froze the account of a famous Corona-truther, but this was because he broke the banking rules by not supplying information about where his money came from, which conflicted with an anti-terrorism law.

Just was going to mention Willem Engel (The Corona-Truther).
Geenstijl, a news website ridiculing people, politics, and religion has been around for years and they never had issues with banking so far as I've heard, even though constantly shitting on them

 

[Jacknife]

Why not create an account in some country that also has some crypto trade platform, then always empty your money into the crypto platform with instant transactions and buy cryptos there that you send off to your own wallet.