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Internalized misogyny is part of it, but it can also be one or more of the following:
1) wanting to be edgy
2) being a pervert
3) having been sexually assaulted
4) being autistic, which leads to being uncomfortable with your body and unsure about social rules. it’s not the same as internalized misogyny and it’s a mischaracterization to see it as such. it’s an inherent part of autism that’s not linked to what your environment is like.
5) having another mental illness, especially one like BPD that leads to having an unstable identity
6) being sexually undesirable, because you’re fat. again I see this as separate from internalized misogyny. being fat also already messes up your hormones.

or any combination of the above!

it’s also worth acknowledging that lesbians have always felt disconnected from womanhood and femininity. a girl who goes by a gender neutral nickname and ‘they/them’ pronouns but otherwise looks and acts like a woman is part of this tradition. it’s not the same as being an FTM. it might be dumb, but it’s not the same.
All part of it, but also, transgenderism is so behaviourally and psychologically similar to being body dysmorphic in general (e.g., anorexic) - people have questioned how distinct they are as constructs.

Here are the comorbidities for (adolescent) BDD:

Past or current self harm
Suicide attempts
Desire for cosmetic procedures
Mood disorders
"delusional beliefs"

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s00787-020-01677-3

This is just a single study, but I believe these findings are pretty consistent.

Here are the comorbidities for Gender Dysphoric adolescents:

Suicide attempts (note: "It is noteworthy that FTM youth were more vulnerable to both suicide attempts and self-injurious behaviors than their MTF counterparts")
Self harm
Co-occuring psychiatric disorders, the most prevalent being depression

The study did not measure desire for cosmetic procedures, but realistically those would be higher, and this population may be more likely to score higher on "delusional beliefs" as well.

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1111/sltb.12289

I am not an expert on this by any means, and obviously a lot of the above-mentioned factors typically co-occur; however, it is ... ahem... interesting that when these factors co-occur with an teenage girl wanting to be a transgender the go-to explanation is, "that's because society is mean to her", but when these factors co-occur with a teenage girl having some form of BDD, then we (correctly, IMO) say that these are, at least to a degree, "symptomatic of a psychiatric disorder."

To me, particularly in teenage girls (the population most prone to body dysmorphic issues; DOI: 10.4103/jfmpc.jfmpc_738_19), there seems to be substantial conceptual and behavioural overlap between body dysmorphia in general and transgenderism. However, one is seen as a public issue, whereas the other is not, despite the comorbidities being very similar.

What is the differences between being body dysmorphic BECAUSE YOU ARE TRANS vs being body dysmorphic BECAUSE OF FACTOR X? As far as I am aware, no one has answered this question theoretically, let alone empirically (you could probably do some sort of factor analysis?).

I think that a lot of the adolescent FtM transgender craze is a product of girls not being happy with their body. They then turn to the new hot thing - being trans/non-binary - as a means of trying to mitigate these feelings. Some even go to the extreme of wanting cosmetic surgery (see: BDD). Yet, we celebrate this, and not when an adolescent girl is obsessed to the point of potential distress with wanting bigger boobs, or a smaller nose, etc. Why?

To what extent are these transgendered females unique from the females who identify as women but have symptoms of BDD? To me, I cannot understand what this distinction would be. In the 90s, what percentage of currently transgender females would have turned up anorexic, as opposed to trans? If the number is quite high, then that challenges the whole notion of this transgender movement, TBH. It also provides support to there being an underlying psychiatric issue.
 
All part of it, but also, transgenderism is so behaviourally and psychologically similar to being body dysmorphic in general (e.g., anorexic) - people have questioned how distinct they are as constructs.

I can’t answer your question, but on the subject of BDD:

I would like to coin the term “body eumorphia” to describe AGP male troons believing that they genuinely look feminine and sexy and that they pass easily, because over time I have learned that it is not all cope and that many genuinely do believe it.
 
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All part of it, but also, transgenderism is so behaviourally and psychologically similar to being body dysmorphic in general (e.g., anorexic) - people have questioned how distinct they are as constructs.

Here are the comorbidities for (adolescent) BDD:

Past or current self harm
Suicide attempts
Desire for cosmetic procedures
Mood disorders
"delusional beliefs"

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s00787-020-01677-3

This is just a single study, but I believe these findings are pretty consistent.

Here are the comorbidities for Gender Dysphoric adolescents:

Suicide attempts (note: "It is noteworthy that FTM youth were more vulnerable to both suicide attempts and self-injurious behaviors than their MTF counterparts")
Self harm
Co-occuring psychiatric disorders, the most prevalent being depression

The study did not measure desire for cosmetic procedures, but realistically those would be higher, and this population may be more likely to score higher on "delusional beliefs" as well.

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1111/sltb.12289

I am not an expert on this by any means, and obviously a lot of the above-mentioned factors typically co-occur; however, it is ... ahem... interesting that when these factors co-occur with an teenage girl wanting to be a transgender the go-to explanation is, "that's because society is mean to her", but when these factors co-occur with a teenage girl having some form of BDD, then we (correctly, IMO) say that these are, at least to a degree, "symptomatic of a psychiatric disorder."

To me, particularly in teenage girls (the population most prone to body dysmorphic issues; DOI: 10.4103/jfmpc.jfmpc_738_19), there seems to be substantial conceptual and behavioural overlap between body dysmorphia in general and transgenderism. However, one is seen as a public issue, whereas the other is not, despite the comorbidities being very similar.

What is the differences between being body dysmorphic BECAUSE YOU ARE TRANS vs being body dysmorphic BECAUSE OF FACTOR X? As far as I am aware, no one has answered this question theoretically, let alone empirically (you could probably do some sort of factor analysis?).

I think that a lot of the adolescent FtM transgender craze is a product of girls not being happy with their body. They then turn to the new hot thing - being trans/non-binary - as a means of trying to mitigate these feelings. Some even go to the extreme of wanting cosmetic surgery (see: BDD). Yet, we celebrate this, and not when an adolescent girl is obsessed to the point of potential distress with wanting bigger boobs, or a smaller nose, etc. Why?

To what extent are these transgendered females unique from the females who identify as women but have symptoms of BDD? To me, I cannot understand what this distinction would be. In the 90s, what percentage of currently transgender females would have turned up anorexic, as opposed to trans? If the number is quite high, then that challenges the whole notion of this transgender movement, TBH. It also provides support to there being an underlying psychiatric issue.
It’s also the ‘I’m special and I get attention for this behavior’ aspect.
 
There are so many degenerate therapists, who are fucked up and mentally ill themselves. They contribute nothing useful to humanity.
Agreed. The university i went to had a mental health sciences school, and nearly all the psychology students i knew were batshit insane.

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What the fuck kind of name is Jabyn?
Jabyn a dilator in your ax wound

What baffles me here is that clearly that woman was raised and socialised as a chick for probably at least 20 years. It should be impossible for her to not understand how to take care of herself and her hygiene. I shower every day and feel disgusting the rare, few times I don't and yes, it can damage your hair but that's why you have oils, treatments, and protein foams (or whatever the English term for that is). They come in bottles. They're everywhere.
How can you be a woman and be so incredibly dense in regards to your own appearance?

Also, posts on antiwork, is a commie, is a tranny, stinks, and blames it on discrimination. It's like she's playing bingo - and winning.
She looks like a lot of terminally online fat mentally ill lesbians with hygiene issues. Ten years ago she’d just be a tumblr weeb who doesn’t shower because that would take time away from watching anime or obsessing about Final Fantasy.
 
If Pronouns are Rohypnol then Troons are Tobacco.

Seasons Greetings Assholes!

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I always wondered about the sexuality of men who date and marry FTM?
Probably a guy who has no prospects of getting into a relationship with a normal woman, so they instead settle on whatever crazy chick will have them. Also, most of them are bisexual and again, have no standards so long as they get laid.
 
I always wondered about the sexuality of men who date and marry FTM?
nearly all of them are bisexual, bicurious, or sexually "adventurous". the main kind of straight men interested in dating FTMs are a few lone perverts who will try anything once. the average straight man won't go more masculine than casual tomboy in their women. (some normally straightish men are GAMP which is a paraphilia because they're attracted to femininity whether the thing has a dick or a cunt and don't usually engage in "gay" behavior, but GAMPs aren't interested in FTMs because it's basically the opposite of what they're interested in). there are actually some typically gayish men attracted to trans men which is a bit of a mystery, and i'm willing to allow this is a mirror version of GAMP that hasn't really been studied yet because of the sheer lack of trans men in history, or that it passes and acts well enough for a not-picky, low self esteem closet case that some people are like fuck it. but this is technically bicuriosity in my eyes. i think that some people have "flexibility" in their sexuality, especially if they're bicurious or a paraphile (e.g. pseudobisexuality).

edit: the other type of FTM-"attracted" man is an opportunist pedo or rapist who knows FTMs have issues, have probably been sexually assaulted or groomed, and don't trust their families, and go after a young chick who looks female, but won't complain about abuse because it would make her feel less like a boy. i'm sure a quarter at least of the LTRs between men and FTMs are abusive in some manner. just a guess. (i've never thought about it before, but it's possible gayish pedos like FTMs, because of their ridiculously youthful appearance in young adulthood, and preference nonspecificity when it comes to non-age characteristics).

edit 2: when it comes to marriage, gay men marrying FTMs is exceedingly rare (receipts?), and in straight/bi LTRs it's most likely that the troonout happened mid-marriage, and the husband doesn't know what to do yet. as for why i'm calling some men still gay even after trying an FTM, it's because social pressure can make you repress your sexuality to do something you think you're "supposed to do" if you're young or insecure. but this ALMOST NEVER results in an actual LTR because once is enough for a man to know he's not into it. oh yeah, and for more FTM-attracted men, even though it's fictional, just look up "cuntboy" on a cartoon porn site.

edit 3: don't forget, MTF/NB men troons are men too and they date FTMs/NB women for similar reasons but also because MTFs are priests in the gender cult, and every FTM feels pressured to date one once in her life.

this trans shit really makes sexuality a lot more interesting to learn about. i don't think we have all the answers.

tl;dr: as for men, only grandfathered-in partners, bi(curious), TIMs, and abusive pervs date FTM troons.
not only have i never seen an exception to this rule in my entire life, i don't think an exception is possible.
the most amusing part of this is that TIFs see bi men as invalidating so they'll be stuck with the other ones.
 
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Agreed. The university i went to had a mental health sciences school, and nearly all the psychology students i knew were batshit insane.

Yes, this is maybe an under-discussed topic, but psychologists-in-training are almost always lolcows in their own right. In my experience, the only difference between them and the standard twitter troon is that the psychology graduate students have mastered cleaning themselves and are typically conscientious enough to actually get shit done.
 
Well this story just has it all.

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Believe it or not, the headline actually misses out the fact that it was an orgy. Although for the animal lovers, I can bring one bit of what I suppose is good news. Or at least not quite so horrific. In an earlier report, under the headline "Northwich man admits having sex with a dog" (which seemed to go unnoticed - dunno why, trannies fucking dogs seems far more common than non-trannies doing the same), we learned that "The most serious of the charges related to one where Goodier allowed himself to be penetrated by a dog at an unspecified location in Bournemouth" I guess that means that the dog was a willing (that's really not the word I'm looking for here) participant. I wonder if he got stuck afterwards. Mind, the advantage of doing it doggy style is not having to look at that face.

 
Only women can get pregnant, but yeah, let’s completely fuck up every maternity (sorry, “birthing”) service in the country to cater to a tiny minority of deluded, attention-seeking assholes.

Took long enough for women to get women’s services, now this woman wants to make ‘em cater only to dick-havers and mentally ill women who hate their bodies. Go home, ya daft bird.

How quick will they trans that child, is the question. He can’t be a normal boy, that would be soooooo boring.
We might have been able to cater for these nutjobs if sex and gender were recorded separately. After all, it used to be that the troon argument was "sex and gender aren't the same thing!!", but they very quickly became empowered to start saying that biological sex isn't real, then they moved on to trying to link people saying it is real with white supremacy, or claiming that they actually ARE biologically the sex they present as even though they're obviously not, so the whole "gender and sex are different" thing has been tossed out of the window.

It shows the power of tainting people as this-ist and that-phobic. It really works. People are scared to death of being labelled as such, even when those labels are bullshit. Many people are sitting back telling the emperor he looks amazing in his new clothes, even though he's walking down the street with his nob out, cos they're scared of the consequences for telling the truth.
 
Why are so many Aidens librarians? Is it the FTM equivalent of MTF programmers?
Pretty much. Library land is full of autists, myself included. It can actually help with the job, as long as you can balance it with basic social skills.

I've never seen a MTF librarian, though I'm sure they're out there. I think it's because the field overwhelmingly draws (real) women - it's an underpaid "helping" profession. Not much for an AGP to do, besides take photos of himself in the bathroom mirror and talk about being a "sexy librarian". AGPs aren't into women's work.
 
It shows the power of tainting people as this-ist and that-phobic. It really works. People are scared to death of being labelled as such, even when those labels are bullshit.

I guess I'll never understand why most people are pussies. (:_(

Anyway, we feature a lot of hilariously non-passing troons here, but sometimes the others deserve recognition.

Good news: you "pass"

Bad news: you pass as a 57 year old divorced alcoholic janitor who is also on the sex offenders register

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Also I'm pretty sure the conversation about her 'pecs' goes something like "For God's sake, put a shirt on and stop showing up at my house" :story:
 
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