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BBC admits Omicron is milder than Delta... but because of the high case numbers (let's ignore that we are testing more and so will yield more positive cases), hospitals will still be overwhelmed, thus justifying the presumed implementation of restrictions after Xmas.

Choice quote from beloved BBC news health and science correspondent James Gallagher:

Omicron seems milder than Delta, so can we all relax?

The title of the article is 'Analysis: Basic maths means Omicron is a danger', so clearly not. Get fucked James Gallagher.


 
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@SCSI I couldn't reply to your specific post (the only one on the page that didn't have the button) but in re: Head Start and the kids 2+ of age requiring masks: without a smidgen of humor I actually closed my eyes and prayed out loud for our children.

This is barbaric. This hides faces from children, and also literally muzzles them. It is evil of the highest order and I pray the millstone weighs heavy on these demon's necks. Lord help us!

Not surprised, forum doesn't like my... amply-proportioned posts liberally sprinkled with links (I can't help it! Legal matters are peak wordswordswords.). Yeah, the mask mandates for little kids has been one of the worst things I've come across in all this legal squabbling. I had to run down the actual Head Start government page just to be 100% sure what I was seeing was real, because "Surely this one is bullshit and I don't want to idiotpost... oh no." I'm no child development expert, but I'm pretty sure faces are pretty much the most important visual thing to babies and tiny kids, I can't think of any way in which dropping them into a world of faceless giants (from their perspectives) is anything other than child abuse. I really, really want to see the multistate lawsuit against this one win. I'll try to keep a particular eye on this one for you when it starts moving, cross your fingers for some good news.

As a side note, I was curious how many people this one affects and was able to find some numbers. (Archive)

The Department of Defense operates 160 K-12 schools for students from military families across the U.S. and abroad, and the Department of the Interior operates 53 schools through the Bureau of Indian Education in the U.S. on and off tribal lands.

Those schools and programs serve more than 1 million children each year and employ nearly 300,000 staff.

As for regular Head Start, I'm not finding numbers for 2020-2021, but I did find totals for 2019, which should be close enough. (Thumbnailed because big.)

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So across DoD schools, Indian schools, and regular Head Start programs, looks like it's about 2 million kids affected by this horrible mandate. :heart-empty:

The 7th is also Christmas for many Orthodox Christians 🤔

Hope they pray for a Christmas miracle then. All my drunken legal sperging in this thread aside, I really want all this shit to be over, for everyone. Ugh, apparently Chartreuse makes me have an actual heart instead of a concentrated lump of misanthropy, god dammit...

These federal mandate cases are nailbiters -- the historical win/loss rate for OSHA mandates that go to the Supreme Court is very favorable (all but one have been killed), and the briefs I've read so far, especially for the private employer mandate have had some very strong arguments IMO (I acknowledge I'm biased in their favor, but even so, trying to take off the rose-colored booze goggles, I still think most of the arguments hold up well). Plus the CDC eviction moratorium case was also a good sign, I think, that, even as weak as the current Supreme Court bench lineup is (as a whole, they're really not heavy-hitters compared to the lineups of the Rehnquist, Warren, Burger, or Hughes courts, not in reasoning/writing skill or in backbone), it does have a limit to what they'll tolerate from the feds.

The state mandates they've declined to touch so far are worrisome, but the key point to hold on to to avoid dooming out is that they're state mandates, not federal, and that distinction is absolutely critical for this kind of health-oriented regulation. Per Jacobson, the case everyone waves around to support vaccine/quarantine orders, this kind of stuff has been the sole territory of state and local governments for over 200 years. The feds horning in on it is a huge departure from centuries of precedent. It does mean that state/local mandates like the insanity in NY are more likely to win, but at least those can be avoided at a personal level by taking advantage of the "50 state laboratories of democracy" and moving the hell away. It will increase the starkness of the divide between Blue/Red America, though, which has its own long-term problems. But, that shit's kinda a bigger problem than any one Internet Retard can do much about, so... cheers, I guess. :drink:
 
Dr. John Campbell reported yesterday, Australia seems to shift from "heavy handed governing" to a more lenient approach towards the handling of Omicron?

"We have got to get past the heavy hand of government and we have got to treat Australians like adults," Morrison told reporters, urging authorities to shift from "a culture of mandates" when it comes to masks and social distancing rules. "We're not going back to lockdowns. We're going forward to live with this virus with common sense and responsibility." source
I'd love to see that from other authorities too.

Although when looking for the sources, at the press conference on December 22th there's lots of talk about "basic rules of behavior", vaccinations, indoor mask wearing and so on. But still. Sort of a silver lining.

 
Dr. John Campbell reported yesterday, Australia seems to shift from "heavy handed governing" to a more lenient approach towards the handling of Omicron?

"We have got to get past the heavy hand of government and we have got to treat Australians like adults," Morrison told reporters, urging authorities to shift from "a culture of mandates" when it comes to masks and social distancing rules. "We're not going back to lockdowns. We're going forward to live with this virus with common sense and responsibility." source
I'd love to see that from other authorities too.

Although when looking for the sources, at the press conference on December 22th there's lots of talk about "basic rules of behavior", vaccinations, indoor mask wearing and so on. But still. Sort of a silver lining.

He's all talk. The state's are doing the exact opposite and ramping up restrictions again over the omipoopoopeepee variant. The premier of NSW went on tv and started blabbering about "personal responsibility" re: masks and new restrictions etc. and then reimplements the mask mandates a couple days later. Not to mention all the petty punitive mandates they're doing in places like Queensland and WA. All these people do is lie.
 

And that's the mayor of a city where there's more people killed in gang wars/by thugs than by corona-chan. Styx bitchuted about that SOB.

Btw, I saw this interesting rant about pandemic of the vaccinated.
December 23, 2021

Is COVID Now Becoming a Pandemic of the Vaccinated?​

By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.

American corporate media love catchphrases that they all repeat in unison, across network and cable television and through social media. One recent example is “viral blizzard” referring to the omicron variant of COVID. A search of Google News for “viral blizzard” demonstrates how in the past several days, myriad media outlets used the term in scaremongering headlines.
Another similar phrase made the rounds this past summer, “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” attributed to CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. At the time, it was believed that only the unvaccinated were transmitting, catching, and getting sick from COVID.

The same CDC Director Dr. Walensky two weeks later acknowledged, “vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus.” This lead to the July 27 CDC recommendation, “that everyone wear a mask in indoor public settings in areas of substantial and high transmission, regardless of vaccination status.” So much for it being a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
This is the time when I must add this standard and necessary disclaimer that I am not anti-vaccine, having been personally vaccinated. Nor am I offering medical advice, only an analysis of this newsworthy issue with questions about ever-changing recommendations and certainties from the political and medical establishments.
I am not the only one questioning this catchphrase. A German doctor wrote a letter to the prestigious medical journal The Lancet one month ago entitled, “COVID-19: stigmatizing the unvaccinated is not justified.” He raised the following points,
There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission.
People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatization of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.
This is sage advice which hopefully doesn’t lead to the German medical authorities threatening or revoking this doctor’s medical license.
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In the early days of the vaccines, many of us, myself included, had high hopes that COVID would be a distant memory by now. We took President Joe Biden at his word last April when he promised the nation, “Getting together with friends, going to the park for a picnic without needing to mask up, we’re back to that place now as long as you get vaccinated.”
Instead we see New York, among the most vaccinated states with 95 percent of adults receiving at least one dose and 84 percent of adults fully vaccinated, locking down yet again, Broadway shows cancelled and restaurants closed. We also see this surprising statistic this week for such a vaccinated state, “For a fourth day in a row, the state has broken it’s record for highest single-day case count since the beginning of the pandemic.”

It is so bad in mostly vaccinated New York that the governor is pushing a bill that would, according to RedState, “grant the far-left governor of New York — or any government official or entity — the unilateral authority to detain anyone ‘indefinitely’ even suspected of posing a significant threat to public health.” Does this mean anyone who dares question Dr. Anthony Fauci or Gov. Kathy Hochul is now a “threat to public health” and can be disappeared like the Jan. 6 protesters?
In the past few days, we have seen reports of prominent “triple vaccinated” individuals getting COVID. Notice how we have gone from “fully” vaccinated to “triple” vaccinated, at least until a second booster is needed, as in Israel, perhaps this new group called the “quad” vaccinated. We can save “penta” vaccinated for next summer.

CNBC host Jim Cramer is vaccinated and boostered and yet has COVID. So does Sen. Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren, Sen. Cory “Spartacus” Booker, Rep. Jason Crow from my home state of Colorado, and Rep. Matt Cartwright from Pennsylvania. Rep. Barbara Lee from California, also vaccinated and boostered, now has COVID.
There is also New York acting Health Commissioner Mary Basset, vaxed and boostered, now with COVID. A triple-vaccinated White House aide who recently spent time with Biden on Air Force One also tested positive for COVID.

Cruise ship Symphony of the Seas, which required all passengers 12 years and older to be fully vaccinated and test negative to board the ship, had a COVID outbreak among 48 passengers.
Cornell University in upstate New York is 97 percent fully vaccinated, many with booster shots, conducts routine surveillance testing, and requires indoor mask use. Despite these measures, they had an outbreak of 903 cases and closed their Ithaca campus for the remainder of the year.
Across the country, Cal Berkeley, with a 99 percent vaccination rate, had a COVID outbreak, leading them to postpone their football game against USC. A fully vaccinated NHL team is cancelling games due to a COVID outbreak. What’s going on?
It is clear that today’s version of the COVID pandemic is among the vaccinated, as the above examples illustrate. Recent infections, if of the omicron variant, are likely to be mild, with hospitalization or worse very unlikely. If this is true, it is good news, as this latest variant is acting as an old school vaccine, an attenuated virus stimulating the immune system to generate cellular and humoral immunity, providing the recipient long term protection from future infection. In other words, omicron may promote natural immunity which at some point leads to population herd immunity.

It is apparent that the vaccines are not doing what vaccines are supposed to do, which according to the WHO, is expressed this way: “Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting you against harmful diseases, before you come into contact with them.” If all they are doing is reducing the risk of severe illness, then for many they can be lifesaving, but the vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID.
Perhaps the PCR test is overcalling COVID, diagnosing those with a cold as having the latest COVID variant. This test is the gold standard, leading to lockdowns, quarantines, masking, school and business closures, and a total disruption of life in America. The PCR test, ideal for diagnosing, not so much for mass population screening, set with too high a cycle threshold may be producing false positive results in 60 to 90 percent of patients, according to the New York Times.

This may explain why the CDC is withdrawing its emergency use authorization request for the current COVID PCR test to the FDA as of Jan. 1, “CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.”
This current “pandemic of the vaccinated” may be more akin to a cold rather than the nasty respiratory virus sending thousands to the ICU last year, at least based on current data. As The Economist describes, “surging cases but milder symptoms.” Watch this U.K. health minister struggle to explain the low omicron hospitalization and death figures while at the same time promoting fear and panic.
How is omicron being treated by those in charge? President Biden issued a grave warning to the unvaccinated, “We are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated -- for themselves, their families and the hospitals they'll soon overwhelm.”
It has been almost two years, and little has improved in terms of mandates, rules, and restrictions, most of which have done little if anything to improve our lives. We are still masked up indoors and out, remote learning, social distancing, and travel restrictions for those trying to fly their cares away.
Common sense measures like protecting those at highest risk for severe COVID, early outpatient treatment and prevention, and following past successful pandemic strategies have all been scrapped in favor of endless vaccine boosters with case numbers still breaking records. We are doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result, and we know what that’s the definition of.
President Biden, despite earlier claims of a desire to be, “a president who seeks not to divide but to unify,” is shaming and scapegoating the unvaccinated while news stories are replete with the vaccinated catching COVID. Is this incompetence or is it deliberate? I’ll leave that to you to answer.
Meanwhile, we are watching Groundhog Day. Read or watch the news now and compare it to 21 months ago, and it’s déjà vu. The catchphrases may change but the oppressing COVID cloud continues to dispirit and demoralize the world. So much for “building back better.”
 
Yeah, I knew all this, which is why I have always been unwilling to take the shot, but haven't you already taken your 3-4? I'm fine running my full odds until the less lethal strain hit, but people today are so unable to cope with risk that they think even a 1% loss of our global population would harm our species. We've been through so many harsher diseases. Our ancestors are laughing at what enormous pussies we all are, and rightfully so.

Politicians have to keep hurting us more under the guise of protecting us because they can't afford to look ineffectual and human. The average person is unable to cope and those who actually can come to grips with reality through all the propaganda are mostly isolated. It's like being the one person who realized that old woman was not a witch. You are never going to convince the crowd baying for blood of that. You can try, you will be crushed or burned along side her. Somethings are worth fighting for, but the world is probably lost. Still, you get a gold star in the hereafter if you resist the mark of the beast, no matter how futile it is.
Yes. I have taken the vaccine and the booster shot.

But I have always maintained it was a decision of making a choice of 2 bad choices offered, but a better choice than not being vaccinated. I have to power level to explain my reasoning and I'm willing for the sake of explaining why say that I am a male, older and in theory had a greater chance of death than those younger. I also have a family too so my decisions effect others.

I disliked greatly how the vaccine was rushed; but knew that in a 5 year trial it would probably still never be really approved because it would simply suffer from waning effect like all vaccines against coronaviruses to date. I balanced the probability of a side effect against the chance of a serious covid infection which I may not die from; but I might suffer organ damage from. I know 3 others who have permanent damage from severe covid infection too BTW. It is very real and I didn't want that either.

For younger people I understand the choice to be vaccinated represented more freedom of choice than for older people so I understand their resistance to it and respect it. Even in a state like Florida where you may have a great deal of resistance to the vaccine, the stats show the elderly by and large said fuck it and summarized the same rationale as I did and still took the vaccine - although I am no where near as "old" as that age group, but the same rationale prevailed.

Being vaccinated and with a booster is no Medal of Honor to wear either, and I hope that with Omicron circling the globe so rapidly, that it infects those that did not get the vaccine and offers some immunity against more dangerous strains that are undoubtedly being produced in human bodies by Mother Nature as we speak. I hope I get Omicron too.

I think if there is any real gripe to be held against global governments, it would be the forcing of a vaccine to be administered to young people - especially children - who are statistically more likely to have a side effect of note from the vaccine than from an actual Covid Infection. And frankly I find it sinister that governments can spend tens of trillion of dollars, and yet from big Pharma accept studies on children receiving the vaccine from tiny control groups and not demand greater sampling and weekly medical follow ups to ascertain the true incidence of side effects. I find it sinister because the rational is obvious and yet there is no willingness to spend the money on this point, but they are happy to line pockets of big business with stimulus.

There is no country and no government IMO that handled this situation well (Sweden may be an exception) and frankly it has revealed a weakness in global governance that is sure to reappear in the future.

It think globally from this virus instead of having learned a lesson we instead learned a horrible truth that Mankind on an individual level in this day and age is handicapped by information speed and that it's speed exceeds the speed of evaluation; and that asking parties, politicians, scientists or individuals to react and act to information with speed without the required time to evaluate it, ask questions and get answers results in choices that are less than ideal.

The next pandemic we have (bird flu, Swine Flu or god forbid a coronavirus that picks up genetic material from Swine flu or some other virus), I know with certainty that once again we will be faced with shitty decisions being made, shitty choices and the total illusion that we ever had to make a rapid decision when we actually didn't.

The only thing to come out of this pandemic is going to be hindsight where people will look back and say "those idiots" because we were all a little right and all a little wrong; but we live in an age where admitting a bit of wrong is akin to a statement that "everything that person has said therefore must be invalidated".

But we actually learned shit from this experience so we will repeat it all again when the next pandemic hits; and it surely will.

The only positive experience I had from the entire pandemic thus far has been the ability to make faces at people behind my mask; shave less and know with certainty that Netflix isn't actually worth my subscription fee.
 

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The latest data from Denmark


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The number of Omicron cases continues to increase and is out competing Delta Covid

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This is very good news

Looking at the demographics Omicron Covid is overwhelmingly infecting and being transmitted by vaccinated adults and adolescents, infection rates are much lower in unvaccinated children


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92% of all Omicron Covid cases are among the vaxxed

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The vaccines are doing nothing to slow the spread of the variant. Given this data the drive to continue the vaccination program is bizarre.

Oh an Omicron is a cold.

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47 people requiring hospital care with less than 5 in ICU.


The real question we should be asking is why the fuck are they continuing to push the vaccines when they have this data?
 
The real question we should be asking is why the fuck are they continuing to push the vaccines when they have this data?
Political capital. Too many people have invested so much in it that they cannot admit they were wrong without being utterly destroyed. There's no easy exit from the conundrum they've placed themselves in; the only path forward is to keep insisting that they're right and pushing more and more severe social controls, until they've reached the point where they can deny reality and force everyone to agree or be excluded from society.
 
Hot damn, it's go time. (Archive)



They don't have the federal contractor mandate yet, but it's certainly coming soon. With the injunctions piling up against it rapidly (two more added in just the last week from Florida and Missouri), I wouldn't be surprised if they grab it and hear it on Jan. 7th as well, assuming someone files an emergency appeal in time. (Archive)





Whatever happens, the seventh is going to be exciting. Worst case scenario, we get one of the largest expansions of federal power since Wickard v Filburn. Best case scenario, we finally see some pushback on the endless siphoning of power from the state to the federal level that's been slammed into overdrive since the 30s. (:optimistic:, but it's Christmas, let me imagine a pony under the tree, dammit.)
Someone is going to be documenting this
 
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Political capital. Too many people have invested so much in it that they cannot admit they were wrong without being utterly destroyed. There's no easy exit from the conundrum they've placed themselves in; the only path forward is to keep insisting that they're right and pushing more and more severe social controls, until they've reached the point where they can deny reality and force everyone to agree or be excluded from society.
I don't agree. They could announce tomorrow that Omicron Covid is a nothing, yes the vaccines were needed when the dreaded Delta was infecting people, but nows the time to put Covid behind us. All but the most slavering at the mouth Covidians would happily accept the new reality. Instead they're tripling down and becoming even more authoritarian in forcing the population to get boosted for a virus that isn't killing anyone using vaccines that provide zero immunity.


All workers who were previously required to get two doses of the jab will now also be required to get a booster shot within one month of becoming eligible.

75% of all workers in Western Australia must be injected with the booster if they want to stay employed. In a state that's now instituted a hard border with the rest of the country and has zero Covid circulating. There's no explanation as to the point of vaccinating the population if they're not going to allow community spread of the virus. It would appear that the goal of vaccination is vaccination, not to protect anyone from disease but to get as many people as possible injected with the mRNA gene therapies.
 
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