TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

And if you want apolitical, well, A Dose of Buckley recently released his Worst Songs of 2021 list.
Thanks! He's kinda mean though for my tastes and his voice is annoying. Sounds like if Mr. Metokur decided to start reviewing music lol. I'll check out some of his other stuff and see if I'm being too harsh.

So... who wants me to give Ellis another reason to drink?

I have her sales numbers.

They're as bad as I thought.

34,039 copies of Axiom's End (HC) sold.
7,688 copies of Axoim's End (PB) sold.
9,338 copies of Truth of the Divine (HC) sold.
@Boston Brand thank you for this Christmas gift of analytical schadenfreude. Do digital (Kindle/Nook/Audible) copies count towards sales totals and is that data available anywhere? It looks like TotD is on sale at Amazon now from $28 to $21 for hardcover. How much does an author actually get for book sales? With the numbers provided, it's minimal compared to her YouTube money. Of her 1.19M subs, around 3.51% bought book 1 and 0.78% bought book 2. As Lindsay and her clique like to say, woof.
 
@Boston Brand thank you for this Christmas gift of analytical schadenfreude. Do digital (Kindle/Nook/Audible) copies count towards sales totals and is that data available anywhere? It looks like TotD is on sale at Amazon now from $28 to $21 for hardcover. How much does an author actually get for book sales? With the numbers provided, it's minimal compared to her YouTube money. Of her 1.19M subs, around 3.51% bought book 1 and 0.78% bought book 2. As Lindsay and her clique like to say, woof.

For digital sales? Yes, one of the things I like about Nielsen BookScan is it includes probably the best full view of sales numbers, including digital sales, anywhere. At least on the full edition, the cheaper version only includes retail sales. One stop shop for data junkies. About the only data it excludes are direct/direct digital sales, unless the publisher reports them. For example, an ebook bought on Amazon and certain other marketplaces are tracked - numbers from the publishers website may not be. A lot of publishers like to keep that number close to the vest. Likewise, audiobook sales and foreign additions are left out entirely - some authors/publishers make a fortune on audiobooks, and some authors are weirdly popular in certain countries overseas. Ideally, a midrange or very popular author will earn out the cost of a new book on those subrights alone - but that's a luxury many new authors do not have.

That also admittedly is just the sales data - there are additional variables on everything ranging from subrights to audiobooks and foreign editions, internal sales numbers/projections, and a dozen other factors, the biggest being just how many copies were printed and how much was spent on advertising. For all I know, the audiobook to Axiom's End sold 100,000 copies on Audible, and both Ellis and her publisher have a nice return, sales drop be damned. On the flip side, St. Martin's Press might have printed 75k hardcover copies and even with an expensive marketing campaign, and barely sold half of what they printed, and are wondering how to liquidate the rest.

It's not the whole picture, but the more of the picture I get, the less and less good it looks.

As for how much an author actually makes on book sales, that depends on a lot of factors, but the big ones are the publisher and the percentages, and of course, the size of the advance.

The Industry standard for royalties to authors is around 10 percent - some are higher, some are lower, but usually never far removed from 10 percent.

So an author earns a couple bucks on each hardcover sold. A little less on each paperback. Less if its from wholesalers. Nothing if it doesn't sell at all.

So lets say Ellis earns $2 for each hardcover of Axiom's End sold... that puts her take near $68,000. maybe another $20k for the new book, and $15k for the Axiom's End paperback, just sop we're dealing with nice round numbers. Gives her around just short of $100k... about what she earns in a month from Patreon. And those royalty checks aren't going to get bigger looking at her sales numbers. Plus, advances are structured so she won't see all that money at once, usually biannually... this why your back catalog is important, because even in an ideal scenario, you get two royalty checks a year from each book. The ones that turn a profit anyway.

Ah, but here's the kicker - depending on the size of her advance, she might not see a single penny of that money. This is why if you're not literally broke, sometimes a smaller advance works to your advantage. Most authors never earn back those big advances, and it costs them in the long run.

This is also where those circulation numbers come into play... even if she earns back that advance, it's entirely possible that the publisher lost money on the books. Especially for book two, which looks to be taking a real dive. And her sales numbers are already cratering to about where most debut authors land, so that initial push may have benefited nobody but Lindsay's pride.
 
So this may be a stupid question, but why do they hate him? I haven't heard him saying much anything controversial.
Because he's a straight white man, and they're not only mad that his books sold like crazy, but RPO got turned into a movie directed by Steven Spielberg.
 
So lets say Ellis earns $2 for each hardcover of Axiom's End sold... that puts her take near $68,000. maybe another $20k for the new book, and $15k for the Axiom's End paperback, just sop we're dealing with nice round numbers. Gives her around just short of $100k... about what she earns in a month from Patreon. And those royalty checks aren't going to get bigger looking at her sales numbers. Plus, advances are structured so she won't see all that money at once, usually biannually... this why your back catalog is important, because even in an ideal scenario, you get two royalty checks a year from each book. The ones that turn a profit anyway.

Ah, but here's the kicker - depending on the size of her advance, she might not see a single penny of that money. This is why if you're not literally broke, sometimes a smaller advance works to your advantage. Most authors never earn back those big advances, and it costs them in the long run.

This is also where those circulation numbers come into play... even if she earns back that advance, it's entirely possible that the publisher lost money on the books. Especially for book two, which looks to be taking a real dive. And her sales numbers are already cratering to about where most debut authors land, so that initial push may have benefited nobody but Lindsay's pride.
I'm curious as to how much she could have gotten as an advance. I'm ignorant of the publishing industry, but her negotiating a $100k advance seem like a bit much. Unless that's for the full trilogy. And even then it seems like a bit much.
 
I'm curious as to how much she could have gotten as an advance. I'm ignorant of the publishing industry, but her negotiating a $100k advance seem like a bit much. Unless that's for the full trilogy. And even then it seems like a bit much.
Not when they’re wowed by her Twitter follower count and her Patreon performance. If her simps fork over money every month, surely they would buy her shitty book, right? Seems like a common mistake made over the last decade to assume social media presence would correlate to potential sales. Many such cases, as Trump would say.
 
Looks like Lindsay really did give complete control of her Twitter to someone else, given the "couldn't" phrasing of this message on a recent Song vs Song Patreon poll (Todd's podcast, good 4 u vs Happier Than Ever)
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Todd mentioned it in the podcast, he and Dany referring repeatedly to their "dear friend" Lindsay and Todd saying they've talked a bunch of times and she hates Olivia Rodrigo (fair). Performative asskissing in response to performative friendship. The way they talked about her made it sound like her mental health is shit right now though, unsurprisingly.
 
Not when you know how much his success upsets the worst people in the industry. Including Lindsay.

I honestly don't get this crazy amount of hate Ernest Cline gets from other writers that are so openly about it, what is up with that?

I mean, I do get the hate on the simple basis of enjy and jealousness, who wouldn't want his sucess right?

And while ago, when the buzz of the movies was going, I skimmed the first book and yeah, his prose seems to be pretty amateurish even for a layman like me, and his relieance on member berries is some of the worst example of nostalgia whoring we have, and I saw the movie and the plot of his movie is template YA dystopia fight the big corp/gov bullshit.

Ok, I get how Cline is a hack, but I could make the same case for a bunch of other authors that also managed to hit big with their books and Hollywood flicks, and they aren't considered destroyers of western culture like Ernest Cline, I mean, Christ help me, but I've read Cassandra Clare's city of Bones and that thing was abysmal on how bad it was (no, never read twilight, I don't know how bad it is in comparison), and Clare wa getting all sorts of praise, at least at the moment I've read it, so where was the hate brigade from other author to that piece of shit?

Or is it because Cline is a white guy and blah blah blah twitter polidicks?

And to be clear, I don't care if Cline gets hate, my impression of the guy is that he is a hack, and he has more money than he should care about hate anyway, just curious on why his peers hate him so much to be vocal about it.
 
Looks like Lindsay really did give complete control of her Twitter to someone else, given the "couldn't" phrasing of this message on a recent Song vs Song Patreon poll (Todd's podcast, good 4 u vs Happier Than Ever)
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Todd mentioned it in the podcast, he and Dany referring repeatedly to their "dear friend" Lindsay and Todd saying they've talked a bunch of times and she hates Olivia Rodrigo (fair). Performative asskissing in response to performative friendship. The way they talked about her made it sound like her mental health is shit right now though, unsurprisingly.
It was a smart move on her part to have somebody else handle her Twitter account. Now it's just promoting her new videos, podcasts, and interviews she's done etc. It's better to use Twitter to just promote your stuff and nothing else. Also I guess Todd and his cohost confirmed that the instagram post about 2021 was one of the worst years in Lindsay's life was legit.
 
I mean, I do get the hate on the simple basis of enjy and jealousness, who wouldn't want his sucess right?
Or is it because Cline is a white guy and blah blah blah twitter polidicks?
It’s these two: it’s standard-grade jealousy but because he’s a straight white guy, they can couch their envy in wokespeak. Lindsay legitimately believes her shitty Transformers fanfic deserves more praise and recognition than Ready Player One. Same goes for all the other hack diversity hires who get overpromoted due to the right intersectional multipliers and are “melanated voices” but get shitty sales because their books suck.
there's little funny about a sanctimonious wokescold pontificating about pop culture. It's a shame really.
I never understood the love some people had/have for Cuck in the Shadows. I don’t believe he is a lolcow but that doesn’t mean his shit is any good.
 
Off topic: IIRC, Clare did get some backlash a few times regarding things like ghost writers or putting some sort of weird incest thing in her book and other crap i can't be bothered with looking up at the moment.

Back on track: fucking lol at those abysmal sales numbers Lindsay has. It really is a Christmas miracle for this thread to not only have confirmation that she isn't getting a Hugo, but also that all of her books are tanking.
 
And she lost!

A rare bright moment in a convention whose defining moment so far is seeing them announce Worldcon 2023 will be at ChiComCon.

Cope and seeth you filthy drunk!
It’s these two: it’s standard-grade jealousy but because he’s a straight white guy, they can couch their envy in wokespeak. Lindsay legitimately believes her shitty Transformers fanfic deserves more praise and recognition than Ready Player One. Same goes for all the other hack diversity hires who get overpromoted due to the right intersectional multipliers and are “melanated voices” but get shitty sales because their books suck.

I never understood the love some people had/have for Cuck in the Shadows. I don’t believe he is a lolcow but that doesn’t mean his shit is any good.
I love Todd’s stuff because I love music. He has a steady output of videos that are well researched and funny. I know he isn’t for everyone but his videos make my day and I rewatch them a lot. He’s not as political in his videos as he could be which I appreciate.
 
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