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Don't worry, the main difference is that your rants are actually interesting and aren't written by an obsessive schizo who thinks the people he talks about are personally out to get him
Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.
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@AssignedEva I was going to say you're not a Nyksnotrans until you have a psycho username , but even @TubeLord (who we love and miss) isnt the NNT of PT-
I also feel i should reign in the hate for him, as seeing the kind of NNT A-logging does give one pause, but honestly NNT has like a pathological seething universe in thier own head regarding Contra who has genuinely not actually done anything lol. They must spend literally all day scheming and cataloging, and have done for at least 3 years?
Contras crime is seemingly; existing.
Whereas Tube is a verifiable shit, and puts himself about with it, too.
The whole contra thread is embarrasing, its just like pages and pages ragging on her appearance, and autistic graphs about incel tier facial 'science'. I get disappointed when i see people from here going to town with it.
I dont care what someones face looks like. That is thier business. As far as appearance goes, i care about how it actually relates to the topic at hand, and how utterly hypocritical it is, and how well t does or does not match up with the displayed narcissism of the clothes horse.
If you don't like Contra, its easy to just ignore her very occasional videos.
Meanwhile Olly is trying to hawk himself about the UK; thankfully to ever decreasing circle of takers- thanks entirely to his own fuck ups-whilst attacking one of the only national institutions left that is a literal lifeline. And all of this, based on his pathetic overgrown 'fuck u mum n dad' craic.
he also is so clearly glorying in his chance to go from oppressor to oppressed as his retarded neolib brain see's it, and will not shut up with his pathetic attempts to rag on 'the cis'. Which is what he is.
He is ramping up for a hilarious fall, and i might have to tap out and just wait on it, because its genuinely no good seething against youtubers.
narcissistic injury
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I kind of love contrapoints and I especially love the public snubbing of Olly
I can’t believe she ever fucked him
I can’t believe she ever fucked him
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Honestly I think it is killing him that the "TERFS" have given him no attention, I think it is boiling his piss, but he is going on with his planned sound bites.
He says nothing, he means nothing.
Outside of the paypigs, we are his interactive audience.
He says nothing, he means nothing.
Outside of the paypigs, we are his interactive audience.
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"the TERFS" as good as don't exist;
and him flinging the label about hither and thither has only succeeded in alienating loads of people who could have actually made his vague, self absorbed aims, proceed a little smoother.
You're right, we are keeping PT afloat, in terms of the attention economy. It will be interesting to see what state his Patreon balance is in this time next year as he continues his breakdown in quality and sanity in all areas.
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Even if he doesn't want to go the couture route, he could at least make an attempt with Sézane, Phase Eight for decent dresses or even Boden if he doesn't want to spend the money but wants something with perhaps darts or a flare to create the illusion of a waist/fit. Prancing around screeching about his oppression and the revolution while wearing sweatshop trash is pure champagne socialist; how on brand, whether accidentally or not.
He could as a minimum watch a Justine Leconte video or two and pretend to make an effort, support another creator or give a shit about something outside himself...nah lol.
His troon bump in paypigs has gone from a high of 7931 (after starting around 6K pre-troonout) down to under 7K baseline and none of his attempts to get more attention seem to be working outside his preexisting audience. Diet Contra doesn't seem to be working for him as a creator and Abi, Tranny Princess of Terf Island is not a winning brand. May his slide continue.
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This isn’t anything we haven’t discussed before wrt the subject of this thread, but I found it fascinating and illuminating in other ways, regarding a related character, so I thought I’d note it here.
Philosophy Tube came up in a recent livestream by upperhandMARS, Rose of Dawn, and Sinead Watson. (Mars and Rose are politically conservative transsexuals who often criticize the prescriptions of contemporary trans activism. Watson is a detrans woman well known in GC circles.)
At 30:00, they discuss this string of tweets in the Tube's ongoing crusade against the NHS. (The other tweets are from Ana Valens, who has his account on lock.) PT wants to abolish dysphoria as a clinical diagnosis because it makes perfect sense to eliminate the concept that justifies pouring public funds into personal body modifications, I guess.
They talk a bit about PT’s nearsightedness, his pretensions of authority after less than a year out as trans, and his ridiculous claim to be the most famous trans woman in the UK. On that last note they name a few trans women more famous than him. Among them is Paris Lees. Then Rose of Dawn spills:
I don’t know why this is so interesting to me. I can’t even say I’m surprised. Trans Britain is a small world; it isn’t strange that two trans women with different politics crossed paths and were on good terms before hardliners commandeered the movement. And of course Paris ended up cutting ties with Rose, the climate of the trans community being what it’s become. If Paris had a dark cloud of truscummy associations hanging over her, she’d be iced out herself.
The thing that fascinates me here is the behavior of a moderate — Paris specifically — under pressure from a radicalizing group. Ten years ago, most trans people said they wanted only to transition, blend in, and get on with life. Five years ago, there was more of a push for Trans Pride, but outside of Tumblr most people still believed gender dysphoria to be a key and necessary feature of trans experience. Now that so many people without diagnosable dysphoria have identified into transness, they have the numbers to overwhelm the old guard and smear them as intolerant transphobes, which they happily do whenever someone dares to question the legitimacy of their power. So the old school transsexuals learn the new lines for fear of being cast out. They want what’s best for trans people, right? And this is what’s said to be best. Surely it can’t be wrong if so many trans people agree. Surely you don’t want to hurt people who say they’re just like you.
The problem is that the trans label obfuscates so much difference between the people who claim it, and it’s considered rude, exclusionary, etc. to pull apart those differences in a way that suggests some (rarer types of) trans people have suffered more than others (in the subcultural majority). I’m sure Paris has more in common experientially with Rose than ~Abigail, yet Rose is on the outs while Paris and Abs rub shoulders.
It’s interesting to watch how people who’ve been trans and sure of it forever respond to the faddish new wave types. Many of them, like Paris, just get in line. Some, like Kat Blaque, try to integrate the new dogma but often wrestle with the way it conflicts with their personal experiences. A few, like Mars, Rose, and most famously Buck Angel, reject the trenders entirely and grow more gender critical than they would have been if nothing had changed.
I’m sympathetic to the desire not to lose your community and be haunted by accusations of transphobia forever, but at this point, if you have a little weight to throw around, it’s good to use it against those who try to ruin people for saying things that are true. They’d have less power if quiet objectors stood their ground rather than letting themselves be pulled by the tide.
Philosophy Tube came up in a recent livestream by upperhandMARS, Rose of Dawn, and Sinead Watson. (Mars and Rose are politically conservative transsexuals who often criticize the prescriptions of contemporary trans activism. Watson is a detrans woman well known in GC circles.)
At 30:00, they discuss this string of tweets in the Tube's ongoing crusade against the NHS. (The other tweets are from Ana Valens, who has his account on lock.) PT wants to abolish dysphoria as a clinical diagnosis because it makes perfect sense to eliminate the concept that justifies pouring public funds into personal body modifications, I guess.
They talk a bit about PT’s nearsightedness, his pretensions of authority after less than a year out as trans, and his ridiculous claim to be the most famous trans woman in the UK. On that last note they name a few trans women more famous than him. Among them is Paris Lees. Then Rose of Dawn spills:
I’m taking Rose’s characterization of Paris with a grain of salt — memories often grow more bitter than their root experiences after a friendship ends — but I have to believe the specifics, as they seem too colorful to make up. Paris Lees was once friendly with Rose of Dawn. Paris Lees let Rose of Dawn crash at her house. Paris Lees iced out a friend and pretended never to have known her when their divergent public politics became too much of a liability.
I don’t know why this is so interesting to me. I can’t even say I’m surprised. Trans Britain is a small world; it isn’t strange that two trans women with different politics crossed paths and were on good terms before hardliners commandeered the movement. And of course Paris ended up cutting ties with Rose, the climate of the trans community being what it’s become. If Paris had a dark cloud of truscummy associations hanging over her, she’d be iced out herself.
The thing that fascinates me here is the behavior of a moderate — Paris specifically — under pressure from a radicalizing group. Ten years ago, most trans people said they wanted only to transition, blend in, and get on with life. Five years ago, there was more of a push for Trans Pride, but outside of Tumblr most people still believed gender dysphoria to be a key and necessary feature of trans experience. Now that so many people without diagnosable dysphoria have identified into transness, they have the numbers to overwhelm the old guard and smear them as intolerant transphobes, which they happily do whenever someone dares to question the legitimacy of their power. So the old school transsexuals learn the new lines for fear of being cast out. They want what’s best for trans people, right? And this is what’s said to be best. Surely it can’t be wrong if so many trans people agree. Surely you don’t want to hurt people who say they’re just like you.
The problem is that the trans label obfuscates so much difference between the people who claim it, and it’s considered rude, exclusionary, etc. to pull apart those differences in a way that suggests some (rarer types of) trans people have suffered more than others (in the subcultural majority). I’m sure Paris has more in common experientially with Rose than ~Abigail, yet Rose is on the outs while Paris and Abs rub shoulders.
It’s interesting to watch how people who’ve been trans and sure of it forever respond to the faddish new wave types. Many of them, like Paris, just get in line. Some, like Kat Blaque, try to integrate the new dogma but often wrestle with the way it conflicts with their personal experiences. A few, like Mars, Rose, and most famously Buck Angel, reject the trenders entirely and grow more gender critical than they would have been if nothing had changed.
I’m sympathetic to the desire not to lose your community and be haunted by accusations of transphobia forever, but at this point, if you have a little weight to throw around, it’s good to use it against those who try to ruin people for saying things that are true. They’d have less power if quiet objectors stood their ground rather than letting themselves be pulled by the tide.
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(just fyi, the above video is mistakenly time stamped 3 hours, so just put it back to 30 if you’re watching it)
their point about what the ‘jus lie’ line about non dyphorics accessing hormones and how it leads to, and then fucks over, future detrans ppl is extremely salient- and also a good point about how his whole “abolish dysphoria” bullshit is likely sitting with the vast amount of trans people (as in actual ones) who do feel dysphoria. it must be like- “fuck us then i guess?”
more armchair analysis of Tubes twitter behaviour- the comparative tiny amount of interaction he gets as opposed to Contras thousands of comments for every offhand shitpost-
he only ever talks to check marks or his one mate or two, and they all give like a few word, stilted replies.
i mean lol, the desperation, whose this guy, Tubes personal trainer or something? hawking his fucking Gary brand water bottle ?
they had some stilted reply with a couple of lines from Home Alone after the guy sent a picture that he was watching it and Tube did the same-
ugh that spiked hair what year is it?
it’s cringe that he has these lame nothingy can-barely-be-called exchanges with these people but when his actual fans, or people tweet him hoping to have an interesting discourse on topics he has introduced, they are at best ignored, but usually instantly blocked.
Yet Tube makes sure to keep up a steady stream of interaction with these guys so the twitter gods notice and blue check mark him, which he is desperate for- we somehow got to the bottom of that in his long tweet about definitely never reading his thread here
I think it’s funny as fuck he doesn’t have one when no-one Waterbottle gary does.
their point about what the ‘jus lie’ line about non dyphorics accessing hormones and how it leads to, and then fucks over, future detrans ppl is extremely salient- and also a good point about how his whole “abolish dysphoria” bullshit is likely sitting with the vast amount of trans people (as in actual ones) who do feel dysphoria. it must be like- “fuck us then i guess?”
more armchair analysis of Tubes twitter behaviour- the comparative tiny amount of interaction he gets as opposed to Contras thousands of comments for every offhand shitpost-
he only ever talks to check marks or his one mate or two, and they all give like a few word, stilted replies.
i mean lol, the desperation, whose this guy, Tubes personal trainer or something? hawking his fucking Gary brand water bottle ?
they had some stilted reply with a couple of lines from Home Alone after the guy sent a picture that he was watching it and Tube did the same-
ugh that spiked hair what year is it?
it’s cringe that he has these lame nothingy can-barely-be-called exchanges with these people but when his actual fans, or people tweet him hoping to have an interesting discourse on topics he has introduced, they are at best ignored, but usually instantly blocked.
Yet Tube makes sure to keep up a steady stream of interaction with these guys so the twitter gods notice and blue check mark him, which he is desperate for- we somehow got to the bottom of that in his long tweet about definitely never reading his thread here
I think it’s funny as fuck he doesn’t have one when no-one Waterbottle gary does.
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Both of them are narcissistic auto-gynophilic creeps. Not sure why it's hard to believe that they attracted each other.I kind of love contrapoints and I especially love the public snubbing of Olly
I can’t believe she ever fucked him
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I don't have the same negative reaction towards Contra as I do towards PT but I don't respect her as much as I used too, especially when I look at her work more critically its not as smart or well argued as I used to think.
I suppose its to her credit that I default to female pronouns when talking about her though, despite the fact that generally I don't really buy into the ideology that makes trans people 'valid' anymore and avoid doing so for people like PT or Jim Sterling, where it comes across as more gaudy and performative.
I suppose its to her credit that I default to female pronouns when talking about her though, despite the fact that generally I don't really buy into the ideology that makes trans people 'valid' anymore and avoid doing so for people like PT or Jim Sterling, where it comes across as more gaudy and performative.
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It always come down to this - the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, Philosophy Tube and Contra. Without Contra is there an Abigail? Its a question that is often spoken but can never be answered - although many have tried.
Contras thread hast run dry as of late and yet to say that he is undeserving of a thread belies an ignorance of his degenerate mind. He is a man who is transfixed by his reflection for what he sees staring back is that of a female form. A form who's sole purpose is to be fucked. And so he tries to contort himself into this facsimile and in the process loses himself. Many in his thread have often stated he was perfectly fine the way he was but it is narcissism that binds him to his current existence.
His feminine urge to gasp when playing Resident Evil comes out as a masculine grunt. He implores that his lamentations towards lesbians are in spite of his girl dick. He seeks to tear down a successful women author by brandishing the word bigot even though she has trans friends and has never uttered the phrase transwomen arent women.
So I wont ignore it, I cant ignore it because the influence of Contra is at odds with what it means to be a woman. Im sure many balls have been sacrificed in his name and I dont want people to willingly mutilate themselves.
We are all here to try and find the comical side in all of this - there is no high ground, we are all just rolling around in the mud.
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Merry Christmas, new schizo article about Oliver being funded by the royal family just dropped: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/24/leaked-files-syria-psyops-astroturfing-breadtube-covid/ (https://archive.md/kBluz)
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Hilarious if true. It got reposted to redscarepod and stupidpol, but little discussion outside of that
r/philosophytube thinks someone would actually care enough to "target" philosophytube in particular
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Yeah. It's like we are the cool Kiwi Farms breadtube snark thread. We know what we're doing. The Contra thread is trashy; they're doing it wrong and ruining it for everyone.
Ok that was sarcasm lol. But seriously- while I have always liked Contra, and even while I've disliked many of her recent videos, she is just as normal as Donna Reed and apple pie to me compared to the Abighoul horror show. Olly is just the gift that keeps on giving. (And oh, I guess I truly understand what a "lol cow" means now. Always ready with more "milk"", so to speak.)
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Dumb troons and troon orbiters are already in the perfect category to constantly inject themselves with shady chemicals pushed by big pharma. Don't you usually target the people who aren't going to comply?
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Part of me has wondered if dear old Olly is a part of a Psyop campaign to help lead to the privatization of the NHS with his deranged antics and demands he makes as a 'trans activist'.
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I understand preferring Contra to Abighoul, (because Olly is a charmless oaf) but there’s way too much overlap between the two to paint Olly black and paint Contra white. Abighoul is literally an outgrowth of Contra. So Contra clearly leaves damage in his wake, don’t be fooled by his patina of wealth and charm. Sometimes I find myself chuckling along to Contra’s wit too, but then I remember he’s as crass and degenerate as a Zinnia Jones type. Sometimes we just screen it out cause Contra isn’t a white trash nut with messed up teeth. But strip away Contra’s polished veneer and you’ve still got a pervert drug addict with a myriad of mental health problems. Oliver’s narcissism is clumsy and cringe, Contra’s is cold and calculating.
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They did Olly dirty with this screenshot. He starts speaking here and is present for the entire video. I can't watch it right now but I can't imagine it'll be too interesting.
As for Contra, obviously I despise him. It's as if he were designed in a laboratory with the sole purpose of being as cringe-inducing (to me, at least) as possible. Apologies if the Contra stans here don't like it but I'm going to keep making the same posts in his thread about how I think he's embarrassing and sexist. I try not to bash Olly's appearance (I think the worst I've done is comment on how male he looked in that one Islamophobia costume) but have no qualms when it comes to Contra since he ruined his appearance in pursuit of his misogynistic fetish.
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Whenever I see Mr Lennard's drag show I think of this.
I agree with you, but I don't understand the line. Why Contra but not Olly. I find their appearance equally deserving of and ripe for ridicule.
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I post in a thread for another narcissist and I can't help but see behavior like this and connect the striking similarities between the two cows, specifically when it involves their insane levels of narcissism. There was talk in that thread about how he constantly only seeks positive attention for himself and how it's literally impossible for him to consider other's feelings. Christmas was brought up and a user linked to a site that explains how even when giving gifts to others, an act that is usually associated with selflessness and appreciation/joy, narcissists still can't help but have their own personal gain as top of mind. I say all this because it reminds me so much of Ollie and his own unique narcissism. It may be sort of a stretch as an analogy but it's the first thing I thought of. Time and time again he has all of these opportunities to lift others up even when it would require zero effort, time, money, energy, etc. and he simply can not bring himself to do it. It's only ever about him, always.
Ollie could be gifted two tickets to a special event like a musical or play from his boss. He'd go on social media and look for powerful friends whose relationship benefits him and see what their plans are the day of the event. Knowing that these friends are busy or out of town the night of the event, he'd still call each of them up and invite them just to put the message out there that he's willing to extend such an invite unprompted like that. He'd do all of this to each of these contacts who he knows without a doubt would be unable to go. Then he'd likely sell them and tell his boss he had a great time. That's the kind of guy he really is.
funny enough narcissist struggling to give gifts is an actual thing.
Narcissists And Gifts - Narcissisms.Com
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So it makes sense that boogie would struggle. Anything that requires empathy or any kind of insightful understanding of another person is beyond them. They don’t see people as people. Just a means to get a narc supply.