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The statute @X Prime linked that covers forging vaccination cards in NY is nastier than it looks. It makes such a forgery a Class E nonviolent felony, which generically carries up to 4 years in prison and up to a $5000 fine. But it gets much, much worse when you take into account what are called "collateral consequences."

In NY, being convicted of any felony will suspend your right to vote for the duration of your sentence, as well as permanently remove your right to own a firearm or hold a number of employment licenses, among many, many other possibilities (example -- accessing worker's comp benefits). If that wasn't bad enough, NY is a state that still has a "three strikes" law on the books and active. Any three felonies on your record (like, say, buying a forged vax card for you, your spouse, and your kid), and the judge can choose to sentence you to life in prison as a "persistent felony offender" if he wishes. (Unlikely, sure, but theoretically possible.)

You can go HERE to pull up a full list and filter by subject if you're curious.

The last detail that jumped out at me was the date -- this law only went into effect on 12/23. If the law firm in one of the articles I linked says they're getting flooded with panicked calls from people who are already getting flagged for forged cards, it lends credence to their theory that NY has developed an automated process for finding likely fake cards.
Hmm, but if you did the forgery before the law was written, wouldn't it fall under the previous statutes? It's like if they declared wearing a red shirt a capital offense, they wouldn't be allowed to dig through old class photos to find which of their residents they could cull.

I'm not sure if immediate confessing though, would be required or if it could be considered an ongoing crime otherwise.

Another good reason never to go to go New York,
 
Hmm, but if you did the forgery before the law was written, wouldn't it fall under the previous statutes? It's like if they declared wearing a red shirt a capital offense, they wouldn't be allowed to dig through old class photos to find which of their residents they could cull.

I'm not sure if immediate confessing though, would be required or if it could be considered an ongoing crime otherwise.

Another good reason never to go to go New York,

My quick, tentative answer before reading more legislative stuff is I think what these 2 bills did was more to clarify that forging covid vaccination cards were already covered by the existing computer and physical document fraud laws (what the bills did was edit 2 pre-existing laws to expand the definition of "a written instrument" and "a computer record"). So pinching someone for a forgery done on 12/22 wouldn't be an issue, as it was technically already illegal when they did it. Interesting point about the ongoing crime aspect -- I know there are some situations where it's the presentation of a false document/ID/identity that gets classified as a distinct incident of a crime. Off the top of my head, not sure about flashing a forged doc in NY.

Edit -- Shitty grammar.
 
My quick, tentative answer before reading more legislative stuff is I think what these 2 bills did was more to clarify that forging covid vaccination cards were already covered by the existing computer and physical document fraud laws (what the bills did was edit 2 pre-existing laws to expand the definition of "a written instrument" and "a computer record"). So pinching someone for a forgery done on 12/22 wouldn't be an issue, as it was technically already illegal when they did it. Interesting point about the ongoing crime aspect -- I know there are some situations where it's the presentation of a false document/ID/identity that gets classified as a distinct incident of a crime. Off the top of my head, not sure about flashing a forged doc in NY.

Edit -- Shitty grammar.

I'm not so sure. It says the definition is being amended, not clarified. It's listed as an addition to the law. It's kind of weird they are amending it onto computer fraud though, considering if one had a blank card and wrote something onto it, it might not even involve computers at all.
 
I'm not so sure. It says the definition is being amended, not clarified. It's listed as an addition to the law. It's kind of weird they are amending it onto computer fraud though, considering if one had a blank card and wrote something onto it, it might not even involve computers at all.
Bureaucrats take the path of least resistance when promoting their agenda. Abortion was made legal based on privacy laws, even though it's still illegal to do a great many things privately with nobody else as a witness. They'll use pilpul logic to justify whatever they need to if it means getting the right kind of power.
 
A relative just informed me that her New Year's plans were cancelled by the event people because of the dreaded deadly Omicron. Did people cancel stuff for Delta this much? We are shutting down at almost Spring 2020 levels.
Yeah the shutdowns don't make any sense. After working from home for over a year, my company had everyone come back to the office over the summer right as Delta was in full swing, with minimal restrictions. Now with OMIGOD we're back to work-from-home again.

The American society of pediatrics same out with a preliminary study and thinks there may have been as much as a 15 point IQ drop in babies born during the pandemic. There may be a lot more Chris Chan's soon.
Not just in babies, I'm pretty sure there's been at least a 15-point drop in IQ across the board.
 
Bureaucrats take the path of least resistance when promoting their agenda. Abortion was made legal based on privacy laws, even though it's still illegal to do a great many things privately with nobody else as a witness. They'll use pilpul logic to justify whatever they need to if it means getting the right kind of power.

Abortion law is actually a great example. If they overturn Roe Vs Wade, it's not going to mean murder trials for every woman who had an abortion over all those decades. It wasn't a recognized crime when they did it.

It wasn't a felony until the new law went into effect on 12/22. If you had forged it prior to that, you wouldn't be guilty of the felony, but whatever previous statute might apply.

I could see them getting you if you kept using it, though, like when you needed to update for the booster. That's probably the most convenient trap to follow this up on, since it's resetting your papers please... or like, going to a restaurant, or somewhere else where you need to show it again.
 
How can you prove that a vax card is fake? It’s a piece of paper.

Yeah, it doesn't seem likely there will be a way for restaurants to do so, unless they issue ones with barcodes or something on the fourth booster. The one you submitted to work, might get recorded and checked against a data base, although if you had valid lot numbers it might not immediately show up as off.

That's why I think it would be harder to catch people until the next booster requirement, which you know they want to push. I'm just glad I don't live there, but I do live in a blue enough place to be anxious. I still won't submit, even if it costs me dearly. Still put the highest value on my personal integrity.
 
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How can you prove that a vax card is fake? It’s a piece of paper.
From what I understand, there is a state database that gets added to whenever someone gets vaccinated in New York.

The trick is this:

1) The governor of New York State, a psycho named Hochul who has called the vax a gift from God, has already said they plan to amend the fully vaccinated definition to include the booster.

2) On December 27th, New York City forced a vaccination mandate on all workers who were not fully working from home (read: all blue collars).

3) What many employers did to comply with 2 was force their employees to send in screenshots of their vaccination cards.

With all 3 combined, you can see where this is going: they can verify by simply entering the person's name and birthdate into the state database.

It's worth noting that so far, the only people caught seem to be government or quasi-government workers. However, I see all reason to assume that private sector workers will also get caught once the state simply tells employers to hand over all their files.

Anyone in a blue state who is working should be sweating. This is absolutely the current trajectory Biden meant when he was rambling about state-level solutions.
 
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They wouldn't, but good luck finding a doc or nurse willing to risk 5 years in the slammer.
I personally know people who've had their doctors write cards for them and then just inject an orange with the word 'DRUMPF' taped to it. The secret is to get a conservative doctor and have decent healthcare insurance.
Supplied by EcoHealth Alliance.
Can I get a source for that, please? I'd like to add it to be repository of 'vax-maxxers BTFO' links.
 
I personally know people who've had their doctors write cards for them and then just inject an orange with the word 'DRUMPF' taped to it. The secret is to get a conservative doctor and have decent healthcare insurance.
Oh I'm sure, but if they ever hire one liberal physician's assistant or staff member, they are asking for pain.
 
Very soon a digital ID covid pass app will be required in NYC I'm sure and our benefactors will have live updates as to where you have currently signed in.

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This is just some Youtuber and a great example of the toxicity that the covidians produce. You would think he could pretend to care more about his father that is apparently having explosive intestines because he is unvaxxed. If the unvaxxed are "subhuman trash" then what does it make his dad.

The more hate you see from the libs the more strain they are under trying to double think their way out of reality and logic.
 
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I mean I guess Ill take your word for it and admit I bought into the kool aid there if thats the case.


Nobody really wants a booster anyway.
IIRC a vaccine adapted to Omicron will be available sometime in early 2022. This was from official sources a couple weeks ago.

EDIT - Here, from the Pfizer website itself:
  • The companies continue to advance the development of a variant-specific vaccine for Omicron and expect to have it available by March in the event that an adaption is needed to further increase the level and duration of protection – with no change expected to the companies’ four billion dose capacity for 2022

 
The guys of American Thinker keep rolling and rolling about corona-chan vaccines.
December 30, 2021

The real efficacy rates of the COVID vaccines​

By Andy Zhao

The Biden Administration and the mainstream media have been pushing a mandate of the experimental COVID vaccines for the American people. Their talking point is that “COVID vaccines are effective and work against the pandemic.” That’s not true. I have been following the “U.K. vaccine surveillance report” since last September, and have seen enough evidence about the real efficacy of the COVID vaccines to show that they're not as good as advertised.
My last essay revealed that more vaccinated people have been using the healthcare system in U.K. than unvaccinated people. Now I am going to talk about how MSM and politicians use so called “rates” to hide the truth and to mispresent the actual data in order for their narratives.
Here is an example of the “Unadjusted rates” chart in the UK Vaccine Surveillance report, Week 51.
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The chart is very easy to read. It shows the rate in each category of events, “COVID-19 cases by vaccination status,” “COVID-19 cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission by vaccination status,” and “COVID-19 deaths (a) within 28 days and (b) within 60 days of positive specimen or with COVID-19 reported on death certificate.” Instead of showing actual numbers, which is the “raw data,” it calculated Unadjusted rate per 100,000 people in the population, based on the vaccination status. All the rates in each category except the cases show the vaccinated people are doing better than unvaccinated people.
On the surface it appears that using that Unadjusted rate per 100,000 people seems fair because it compares vaccinated and unvaccinated from the same base number. But that’s a deception. Each individual, either vaccinated or unvaccinated, are in different health conditions, and live in different environments. An individual may not be infected by the COVID in one area, but could be in the other. That’s why “real efficacy rate” should be used, especially for the comparisons of the hospitalization and death. The real efficacy rate is calculated based on the number of actual infected people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated. This can measure how many people would be prevented putting into a hospital or even die after they were infected by the virus, if they were vaccinated.

Here is an example to show why the Unadjusted rate per 100,000 is deceptive if it is used for comparisons. First, let’s say in a large metropolitan area the population is 1 million people. Unfortunately, there were 10,000 people were admitted into hospitals due to COVID infections. The rate would be calculated as 100 per 100,000, or 1%. The second is in a less populous area with 10,000 population where 200 people were in the hospital. That is translated to a rate of 2,000 per 100,000, or 2%. So, by comparing those two rates one would agree that the first rate is 2X better than the second, blinded by the fact that 9,800 more people were in the hospitals in the first area!
Next, let’s take a look at the Summary I created based on the UK vaccine surveillance report series. I added two highlighted columns to show what the real efficacy rate of the COVID vaccines are, along with the rates for the unvaccinated. Actually, they look great at first glance!
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The real efficacy rate for the hospitalization by vaccination status is calculated by hospital admission number divided by the infection case number. For Week 51 report, that’s 1-(4,027/268,654) =0.98501, or 98.501%. That means the COVID vaccines prevented more than 98 people being hospitalized out of 100 who were infected. The same can be said for the death rate, where only 1 person dies out of 100 people who were infected.
From the chart we can also see that the Unvaccinated were doing better, 99.152% and 99.796% respectively for Week 51 when Omicron started to be dominant in the U.K. The same is true for Week 47 and Week 45 when the Delta variant was dominant.

How can the Unvaccinated do better than the Vaccinated? In order to show the greatness of the COVID vaccines, they used Unadjusted rate per 100,000 people. There is a footnote under the above chart in the Week 51 report, and every other report: “Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection.” That is to say that “we deceived, so that don’t use those rates.”
But I and most people are more concerned about the real effectiveness of those COVID vaccines in combatting the COVID pandemic, not artificial rates created for propaganda. By the way, many research reports have pointed out that the efficacy rate of the COVID vaccines is quickly reduced after being administered, even dropping to negative numbers in three months after getting the third shots!
It’s therefore time to stop the vaccination mandate and all the nonsense about a “Pandemic of the Unvaccinated.”
Images: UK Health Security Agency and Andy Zhao

December 30, 2021

Will the NYT start asking some questions about how safe COVID vaccines are, now that they've lost an editor?​

By Monica Showalter

It had to have been a hard blow when the New York Times' deputy Asia editor, Carlos Tejada, unexpectedly dropped dead of a heart attack. He had just turned 49.
After all, for the Times, guys with his skills are pretty hard to find. I didn't know him, but I used to work as an editor at a big newswire in Singapore myself, and recognized his name as that of a superb reporter and writer, a guy with little bias, lots of foreign knowledge, and a byline worth reading.

According to his New York Times obit, he was also a superb editor, someone who could scruff out stories from the filings of weak reporters. The Times doesn't say so, but since I know about editing in Asia, that likely was editing stories from the filings of non-native speakers of English, as well the filings of U.S.-born freelancers and staff, who might have been good reporters, but were wretched writers -- people who couldn't write ledes (yes, that's the word used in the industry), organize sentences, or sometimes, even spell (I can name names at the Times, I knew editors there). Tejada was the guy who could turn these shambles into publishable stories. In addition, he was an old Asia hand, with experience and knowhow around the region, including some knowledge of Mandarin. Guys like that are diamonds to big newspapers with expensive foreign operations. Tejada had been poached from the Wall Street Journal in 2016, which meant that the Times had been watching him for awhile as he honed his skills at the Journal, before moving in to make him a better offer.
Next thing they knew, Tejada died suddenly, leaving behind a wife and two small kids last Dec. 17. After that, other outlets, notably Alex Berenson, a former Timesman himself on his Substack page, published what might have been a pertinent issue: That Tejada had gotten a Moderna booster shot a day earlier, following two Johnson & Johnson vaccine shots. Based on his picture in the Times, a recent one, taken only a few weeks earlier at a November gathering, he looked fit, healthy, and happy.
Something sounds funny here.

Now, it's possible the Moderna booster had nothing to do with this. It's possible he had an underlying condition such untreated high blood pressure which triggered an "event." All the same, most people don't drop dead at age 49. But we hear a lot about this around cases of healthy young men, such as athletes, dropping dead of heart issues after their COVID shots. The press hasn't asked many questions about it. They, including the Times, have busied themselves with promoting the 'get vaccinated' line on political grounds as if no other questions need be asked in what may well be an unfolding story. Tejada was the editor who fluffed up the copy of the first COVID stories coming out of China, as Berenson's Substack piece shows. Now, Tejada himself may be the latest or last chapter in the question about whether these vaccine solutions to the problem are really safe, and whether vaccine mandates are a good idea.

The New York Times has lost someone good from their team following a booster shot, which ought to be prompting them to ask some questions at this point. Are these boosters -- in Tejada's case, a mismatched booster, given that his original shot was the Johnson & Johnson -- a factor in his early death? And apparently, he'd had two of those. The Twitterati, as Berenson notes, have been all over this. We know the readers are asking.
It would seem natural that maybe the Times would be interested in knowing whether the booster was what killed him, in order to just make sense of this loss, which hit them hard. They ought to be writing stories about it, about what they find. Will they?
As Berenson wrote:
RIP Carlos Tejada, Dec. 7, 1972 - Dec. 17, 2021.
If this does not wake the Times nothing will.
 
IIRC a vaccine adapted to Omicron will be available sometime in early 2022. This was from official sources a couple weeks ago.

EDIT - Here, from the Pfizer website itself:


Yes, then their stocks took a hit, and suddenly you have "studies" saying the third shot that is the exact same as the first two is enough. Please ignore that Israel is on their 4th and used up their 3rd on delta plus and it wasn't enough.
 
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